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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby borri on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:21 pm

Wes is slowly but surely overtaking Xavier as our best reclamation project.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:22 pm

I was impressed with his ability to guard Anthony Davis and rebound with him.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:30 pm

This guy is really limited offensively, isn't he?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby borri on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:14 pm

Chillbongo wrote:This guy is really limited offensively, isn't he?


Yes he is. When his J isn't falling well, that's pretty much it. But damn boy, this dude is crazy athletic. That's where I see his potential. I guess that's why he was drafted so high.

For me, at the very least, with the proper coaching, he can become an above average to great defender and glue guy.

Shawn Marion he is not and never will be. That's not his ceiling. Once he develops a more consistent J, I see another Batum/Sefalosha type of player.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Center Court on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:29 pm

borri wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:This guy is really limited offensively, isn't he?


Yes he is. When his J isn't falling well, that's pretty much it. But damn boy, this dude is crazy athletic. That's where I see his potential. I guess that's why he was drafted so high.

For me, at the very least, with the proper coaching, he can become an above average to great defender and glue guy.

Shawn Marion he is not and never will be. That's not his ceiling. Once he develops a more consistent J, I see another Batum/Sefalosha type of player.


Seflosha can be a valuable piece on a championship level team, so I'm happy with with
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:33 pm

borri wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:This guy is really limited offensively, isn't he?


Yes he is. When his J isn't falling well, that's pretty much it. But damn boy, this dude is crazy athletic. That's where I see his potential. I guess that's why he was drafted so high.

For me, at the very least, with the proper coaching, he can become an above average to great defender and glue guy.

Shawn Marion he is not and never will be. That's not his ceiling. Once he develops a more consistent J, I see another Batum/Sefalosha type of player.


Very good call borri - I could see that. I agree I didn't like Marion comparison D' Antoni made as it just seemed totally unrealistic. Don't think there's any way he will have the offensive game of a guy like Marion. But Batum/Sefalosha is a good model for him. Play good D, make open shots and put backs, with the occasional score off the break.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:46 pm

No, offensively he will not be like Marion. But I can see the Sefolosha comparison.

He is as athletic as Matrix though. He is fast, quick, jumps high -- and often.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:01 pm

borri wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:This guy is really limited offensively, isn't he?


Yes he is. When his J isn't falling well, that's pretty much it. But damn boy, this dude is crazy athletic. That's where I see his potential. I guess that's why he was drafted so high.

For me, at the very least, with the proper coaching, he can become an above average to great defender and glue guy.

Shawn Marion he is not and never will be. That's not his ceiling. Once he develops a more consistent J, I see another Batum/Sefalosha type of player.


I agree he's crazy athletic. I see no correlation to "potential" however. If crazy athleticism translated to Basketball ability he'd be an all star now.

To me, he's another in a long line of athletic players that were good enough to get by against lesser competition in college/high school that never learned the game. It's sad, because the NBA is not set up to teach the fundamental basics of the game and at 26 it's too late to re-learn it anyway.

I believe he is what he is..... and will ever be. He's good for some great plays surrounded with some being lost on both ends of the floor.....
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby borri on Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:08 pm

^^^^

What you said i correct IF the dude isn't coachable. Yes the NBA is littered with those guys. Case in point, Kwame Brown. At the very least Kwame was one hell of a man defender. He could have been a been damn good overall defender too, help wise, but he wasn't coachable.

Wes, on the other hand is, at least i think and hope so. There were clips while he was on the bench, Kobe was getting in his ear about stuff. And he looked genuinely interested and paid attention to what Kobe said.

Like I said, with the proper coaching, Wes can become another Batum/Sefalosha.

Give it some time. Kid rotted on the bench in Minny. Didn't get much game time learning, that's where the REAL learning occurs.

It can happen. Look at what we accomplished with Ariza and Clark. What gets me excited is Wes is MORE athletic than both of these guys.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:06 pm

Once coaches stop trying to make him something he's not I think he'll find a nice spot in the league for a long time.. He's not a scorer & never will be.. & he's only a good defender due to elite athleticism.. His shot falls some games just like any other player.. When he & his coaches realize his athleticism is his only weapon, hopefully they'll find more ways to use it.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:54 pm

His athleticism isn't his only weapon. He's got good instincts as well defensively. He almost zero instincts offensively though. He needs to work on putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:58 pm

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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:06 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Good! Let him play his natural position.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Pig Miller on Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:08 pm

now let's see if he can actually play and find a position/role in this league. hope he can hit the 3 ball consistently at the SF spot
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:10 pm

I wish Young was still in the starting unit. Now we have Blake/Meeks/Johnson together, 3 people that cannot create their own looks.

We'll see how it goes, but I am skeptical of that aspect I mentioned.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I wish Young was still in the starting unit. Now we have Blake/Meeks/Johnson together, 3 people that cannot create their own looks.

We'll see how it goes, but I am skeptical of that aspect I mentioned.


Yes, I wish it was either Young at the 2 or X at the 2. Not only is the offense going to be a little challenged, but we could also be better defensively with X at shooting guard. I'd prefer to see X and Johnson together in the starting lineup with Blake, Hill and Pau.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:07 am

Really nice to see Wes play at the three finally.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:09 am

Lakerjones wrote:Really nice to see Wes play at the three finally.

It definitely seemed like the more natural fit. The problem I saw was that he isn't a great ball handler and that's even more obvious as a SF.

Still I liked the fit much better than at PF. He's still REALLY active and that's what's most important.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby kblo247 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:23 am

I agree with you real. When Kobe returns, Nash will likely still be out, and the way Blake and Meeks are hooting the ball and putting effort in defending the 1 and 2, Kobe should start at. 3. Start Hill and Pau next to him, and use the leagues best post player, Bryant to draw in defenses. Having those two starting limits the ball handling he's forced into as well.

Wes just moves back to backup PF in a group where everyone but him can create, and he simply scores off open shots and putbacks/cuts all while rebounding and defending better than Williams. It's not just Wes who benefits from being at PF in the second unit, and Kobe coming back at SF. Pau benefits because he can have his minutes split with Kaman who gets 20 minutes a night. Young benefits as he's performed better at SG than SF where's he outweighed nightly. Henry benefits from being the backup SF because he can just come in like Shannon used too and green light score for 15-20 minutes. Farmar benefits from having two wing options that score off a dribble, a big who can post or face up shoot in Kaman, and an athletic running 4 who jumps like a pogo stick as Wes is more athletic and has about as good a shot as Williams,

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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:30 pm

We've known about his wingspan and his athleticism, but I am very impressed with his defensive timing. He can gamble at times, but he anticipates shots and jumps passing lanes very well.

I did not assess him correctly at all - he can't handle the ball, and I'm starting to think he doesn't have to. If he can add a consistent 3 pt shot to what he already offers in length, athleticism and defense - he will be a quality rotation player.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:08 pm

I really like this kids defense.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:20 pm

I like his athleticism. He skies for boards. His help defense is superb. He can run the floor and finish around the rim particularly well.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:20 pm

I think that steal and dunk to put us ahead 94-92 is worthy of a bump, it was a really nice play.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby sister golden hair on Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:38 pm

Johnson has the kind of athletic clay that an organization with a great player development staff -- like the Spurs -- would turn into a highly, highly productive player. Their shooting coach alone is worth his weight in gold.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby iLikeBigBUTTS on Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:50 pm

Nice steal and break away dunk by WJ. How many of those exact plays has he had so far this season? Seems like I see at least one from him every game
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