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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby halekulani on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:21 am

he didn't get more playing time because he still can't shoot

but i mean, if you can teach trevor ariza how to shoot, nothing is impossible
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby wallangong on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:34 am

How anyone could be down on this signing is beyond me. Again, this is for the minimum. We're not the ones giving the Cory Brewers of the league $5 mil a year. This is a no risk, high reward signing
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby nthydro on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:40 am

Rooscooter wrote:I like the optimism but this kid hasn't shown too much so far and if he has as much potential as some here say..... why is a young athletic player like him available for the Vet Min?

There's more to the story I'd bet.

Each year his PT has declined..... he shoots 40% and last year played on a horrible team and yet still couldn't earn more playing time.

I guess for the price he seems like a good end of the bench player but if we're using him to play heavy rotational minutes at the 3 it could be problematic.


This was pretty much what I was thinking...

I'm not too excited over this signing. He hasn't improved much since he entered the league and I'm not sure how he'll fit in offensively. I'm not complaining though. It's a solid signing based on potential alone. I'm hoping Kobe can transform him into a nice role player. Welcome to the team Wes!
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:43 am

halekulani wrote:he didn't get more playing time because he still can't shoot

but i mean, if you can teach trevor ariza how to shoot, nothing is impossible


Ariza doesn't shoot much better than him.... 41% last year. In fact Ariza has shot over 50% early in his career..... before he began shooting from the perimeter. After he left the protection of playing with our loaded team he shot below 40%.

I'm not sure Ariza has "learned" to shoot that well.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby nduri on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:44 am

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby nduri on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:49 am

He seems to be taking a lot of flack on his shot, that won't be a problem. He has an excellent release, good rotation and nice lift. The only problem I believe is him knowing that he will not get pulled and being able to settle into a spot in the rotation. His issues have been due to the fact that he tends to press and loses confidence at times, if he is allowed to work through his mistakes, I think we will see a player capable of his draft position if we invest the time and energy necessary.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby SBLakerFan805 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:58 am

I think players like Johnson and Young relish the opportunity to go out and prove naysayers wrong. In the end its a good deal for us. Vet minimum contracts and guys who are hungry and eager to prove they are nba capable. Loving these surprise signings keep em coming.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:13 am

Our track record for taking 1st round "busts" and turning them into productive players for us is pretty darn good (Trevor Ariza, Shannon Brown, Jordan Hill, Earl Clark). I trust Mitch.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:18 am

CarolinaLakerFan wrote:Our track record for taking 1st round "busts" and turning them into productive players for us is pretty darn good (Trevor Ariza, Shannon Brown, Jordan Hill, Earl Clark). I trust Mitch.

Joe Beast, too. He dominated for us.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:19 am

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:25 am

Johnson isn't a world beater, but he's the type of player that will do WONDERS for our bench. I'm starting to look down the roster. If we sign Odom and he even gets back to 75% of what he was (and Kobe comes back strong) this team might be more talented than last season's squad simply because we actually HAVE a bench.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:27 am

Savory Griddles wrote:Johnson isn't a world beater, but he's the type of player that will do WONDERS for our bench. I'm starting to look down the roster. If we sign Odom and he even gets back to 75% of what he was (and Kobe comes back strong) this team might be more talented than last season's squad simply because we actually HAVE a bench.


Agreed.... one has to wonder WTH we were doing last year. Giving contracts to Morris and Ebanks was a colossal mistake if players like this were available..... and they were.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby bystander on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:32 pm

Tobias Funke wrote:
bystander wrote:Not a fan of him, but i'll support him, he's a laker now.


What dont you like? Even though I have an idea of what you're going to say, Im sure you've seen more familiar with his game than many because of his time in Minny.


indeed.

very low bball iq, i know sometimes that skill is overrated but this guy looked like he didn't know what the hell he was doing half of the time. Bad finisher awful shooter but he's athletic and he can somehow defend. He can improve though.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:39 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Morrison


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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:56 pm

So glad to get a 3. Our most glaring need. Would love to have one more wing player and maybe one more serviceable veteran big.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:00 pm

Adelman wants players to pass and shoot within the offense. MDA just wants guys to shoot.

I think Wes will do better here.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:02 pm

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby shoe on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:10 pm

Not a huge fan of him, but i'll take him for the minimum and hope he's improved. Atheletic, long - but not a good 3 point shooter, doesn't rebound or pass well, and can't dribble.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202325&Season=2012-13&zone-mode=zone

Pretty good midrange shooter, but awful from 3, except the left elbow.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Psychobroker on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:29 pm

Kangaroo Grandkid wrote:Thank God Mitch explained that's it's not reasonable to get younger and more athletic when all we have to offer is the vet minimum.

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people." (George Bernard Shaw)


/OT Not sure I'd quote George Bernard Shaw if were you ..

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby TheOp on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:30 pm

Regardless of if hes capable offensively, hes young long and athletic, something we needed no matter who it was. At least he will not let other teams run him out of the gym, he can keep up. He seems like he could be a nice wing to run fastbreaks with Nash, and we can use him as an asset defensively.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:17 pm

Psychobroker wrote:
Kangaroo Grandkid wrote:Thank God Mitch explained that's it's not reasonable to get younger and more athletic when all we have to offer is the vet minimum.

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people." (George Bernard Shaw)


/OT Not sure I'd quote George Bernard Shaw if were you ..

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Armani on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:32 pm

kblo247 wrote:Kinda funny Johnson and Hill were lotto picks. They have talent in them. It needs to be nurtured much like that of Farmar and Young.

For what its worth, the lakers added youth, but they now have youth who can play which is a far contrast from Morris and Ebanks.

He reminds me of Ariza when we got him from Orlando. A young athlete who can defend, can't really shoot, has length, looks up to Kobe, and could revive his career and stay in the league here if given a chance


Agree with this 100%. This is def. a steal for us. If he doesn't pan out, we only gave him a vet's min. Low risk, high reward.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby JSM on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:36 pm

Wow, I really didn't think he'd be in our price range. I have to think that he too took less money to come here, because I don't see how there wasn't a more lucrative offer out there somewhere.

For the price, he's an absolute steal. He has the key tools (athleticism, D, speed, decent shooter), just hasn't figured out how to use them properly yet. Mitch loves these type of pickups and we have a pretty good track record with them.

I think with MDA, he and Young can be interchangeable at SF/SG depending on the lineup, WJ is more of a SF due to wingspan but MDA doesn't care about positions (so the more versatile your personnel the better)...hell he'll probably see time at PF too.

Getting Young and Johnson definitely makes it easier losing Clark -- getting two players for a cheaper rate than he would've cost us and at least Young is more capable offensively.

What I really like about these one year contracts is that at least for the two young perimeter guys, it keeps them hungry and they'll play with a chip on their shoulders trying to prove themselves and auditioning not just for the Lakers but for the other 29 teams in an attempt to get a bigger payday next off-season. Competition and hunger fuels better results.
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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:56 pm

Weezy wrote:
Psychobroker wrote:
Kangaroo Grandkid wrote:Thank God Mitch explained that's it's not reasonable to get younger and more athletic when all we have to offer is the vet minimum.

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people." (George Bernard Shaw)


/OT Not sure I'd quote George Bernard Shaw if were you ..

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Re: Welcome Wesley Johnson

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:16 pm

not complaining about the signing, as i know we're asking guys to play for peanuts.

but everytime i've seen this guy play, he just looks uncomfortable and ineffective. i don't expect much from him, but if he can just play some reasonable d and create openings by cutting to the basket, that's good enough for me. for now anyway.
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