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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:46 am

He has no business playing the PF position ... MDA and his obsession to play a certain way regardless of the opponent :bang: ...

We'll see how he does at the 3 ... I've seen very little of Wesley during his 1st three seasons so I don't have a personal opinion about his game
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LooN3y on Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:21 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:He has no business playing the PF position ... MDA and his obsession to play a certain way regardless of the opponent :bang: ...

We'll see how he does at the 3 ... I've seen very little of Wesley during his 1st three seasons so I don't have a personal opinion about his game




i wonder if MDA had everyone play out of their comfort zone or if the roster some how perfectly fit his run and gun approach. MDA gave him the green light on offense and dude was running around like a headless chicken, and then injured himself. he wanted him to create for himself, something he isnt great at, and he obviously didnt succeed.


wesley is a slasher with inconsistent 3pt jumpshot and not consistent enough mid range J, hes not a true spot up shooter (from what i've seen since hes been in the league, specifically in minny), and we shouldnt count on him to exceed in that.


he was hyped up to have a lot of potential but he fell short, he was a bit too raw. but when you see him live in person, he looks really tall, i cant tell if its his wingspan or what not, but dude looks taller than 6'7. i really think he can disrupt passing lanes with some effort, and if he gains some weight maybe be able to stop lebron/carmelo/durant on some possessions.


if he puts effort on D, cuts, and makes open shots when needed. i really hope MDA doesnt let wesley run the offense again anytime soon. i think he can be our SF version of tony allen.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:59 am

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hollywood swinger wrote:calling it now wes johnson will stink. he has that stupid silly school girl smile on his face all the time. zero intensity. everyone will hate him by christmas.

The look on his face is why he'll stink this year? Then Nick Young will be the worst Laker we've ever had.

Wesley is what he is, but if the coaching staff keeps trying to force him to create or to play PF, then yes people will hate him.

If they actually stop being idiots and play to HIS strengths (perimeter defense, athleticism, catch and shoot jumpers) then people will like him more.

no what i mean is i can just tell he has no dog in him. I don't sense any fire about the game in his heart & he seems like a really passive soft dude.

It seems that way now, but I don't think it's in any way indicative of who he is. I watched him in Phoenix and Minnesota after I read that Kobe had worked wit him. He's a pretty fiery kid and a gamer. You'll see when the time comes. It's just pre-season and he's been used in weird ways. He's a SF or a SG, not a PF. He needs to be put in situations to win.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:00 am

The facts about this kid and what his previous coaches thought of him is pretty clear. His minutes have been reduced every year. The teams he's been on are progressively worse each year as well. I think its safe to say he's impressed no one so far and his lack of progression in his career is evidenced by regression in minutes on the floor.

To me, he looks like the latest in a long line of kids who were pushed through without learning the game and the very basics of the fundamentals. He's athletic but not enough so to overcome his lack of understanding of the game.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby abeer3 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:00 pm

I don't know if i'd say he doesn't know the game. his knack for finding gaps on both ends tells me he gets the game; it's his lack of skill that has surprised me. again, if he can simply knock down shots, make well-timed cuts on drives on both ends (see marion, shawn), and defend his spot (sf), he's got a future. it's really that first part that's been the problem as I've seen thus far.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:24 pm

^^well said. His basic skills lack.... He seems to be better with the less structure in the offense. He would never see the floor under Phil.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:11 pm

abeer3 wrote:I don't know if i'd say he doesn't know the game. his knack for finding gaps on both ends tells me he gets the game; it's his lack of skill that has surprised me. again, if he can simply knock down shots, make well-timed cuts on drives on both ends (see marion, shawn), and defend his spot (sf), he's got a future. it's really that first part that's been the problem as I've seen thus far.

Agreed. I've seen absolutely no evidence that this kid doesn't understand the game. That's silly. What I've seen is some trepidation and a some timidness. I'd like to see him embrace that Marion persona, but to do that he's got to knock down more of his open looks.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:21 am

Well.... if he "understands" it so well then why has he seen steadily decreasing minutes on poor teams? It isn't his athleticism....

He rarely is in the right place on offense if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. That's understanding IMO.

Keep in mind that he was a "late graduate" by today's standards and is 3 years older than most others in his draft class..... like Henry for example. He's had a lot more time to "learn" the game and still seems out of sync most of the time.

BTW.... they were both part of one of the worst drafts in recent memory.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby abeer3 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:52 am

i think his main problem occurs after he touches the ball on offense. his offensive role should be finish or move. no dribbling unless it's a drive. dantoni's had success getting production out of guys like that, so i though wes johnson was a good fit here. maybe i was wrong.

the question is whether he's doing the wrong thing because the offense has broken down and the ball has (unfortunately) found him or because he can't find the right spot. you suggest the latter, but i think real and i both feel like he's been doing the right thing enough times that it's not purely random. in other words, i hold out hope that if he gets to play the 3 off of say, kobe/pau/nash/kaman or williams, that his athleticism can pay off in the form of offensive rebounding and weakside dives to the basket. of course, again, none of this matters if he can't hit the open corner three, at the very least.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:41 am

abeer3 wrote:i think his main problem occurs after he touches the ball on offense. his offensive role should be finish or move. no dribbling unless it's a drive. dantoni's had success getting production out of guys like that, so i though wes johnson was a good fit here. maybe i was wrong.

the question is whether he's doing the wrong thing because the offense has broken down and the ball has (unfortunately) found him or because he can't find the right spot. you suggest the latter, but i think real and i both feel like he's been doing the right thing enough times that it's not purely random. in other words, i hold out hope that if he gets to play the 3 off of say, kobe/pau/nash/kaman or williams, that his athleticism can pay off in the form of offensive rebounding and weakside dives to the basket. of course, again, none of this matters if he can't hit the open corner three, at the very least.

Yep.

He's got to be able to catch the ball and shoot it in the corner. Xavier Henry has been doing that very well so far this pre-season, but for whatever reason Wes hasn't even been to that spot very often. I think the team wants something from him that he's just not. He needs to be the SF that plays with another play making guard. The lineup he'd be most successful with would probably be: Nash/Bryant/Johnson/Williams (or Kaman)/Pau. There's two creators on the floor that demand attention and he has the freedom to move without being noticed. Ariza did it well here. Marion's made a career off of it.

Wes can do the same things if he and the team embrace it.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:07 pm

abeer3 wrote:i think his main problem occurs after he touches the ball on offense. his offensive role should be finish or move. no dribbling unless it's a drive. dantoni's had success getting production out of guys like that, so i though wes johnson was a good fit here. maybe i was wrong.

the question is whether he's doing the wrong thing because the offense has broken down and the ball has (unfortunately) found him or because he can't find the right spot. you suggest the latter, but i think real and i both feel like he's been doing the right thing enough times that it's not purely random. in other words, i hold out hope that if he gets to play the 3 off of say, kobe/pau/nash/kaman or williams, that his athleticism can pay off in the form of offensive rebounding and weakside dives to the basket. of course, again, none of this matters if he can't hit the open corner three, at the very least.


:man10: That line up provides a lot of "cover" for a guy that doesn't understand the game. That has little to do with Dantoni..... That's the Nash effect. He's made a few scrubs rich over the years.

From what I've seen he's always a step slow and very mechanical in his movements on offense. Even his defense is over thought in many ways.

We'll see if it's lack of opportunity or lack of understanding soon enough. To me he seems a lot like Ebanks with more athleticism and slightly more consistency.... which wasn't his deficiency at this level.

This will be his last chance.... maybe that will motivate him.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:31 pm

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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:34 am

Great game for Johnson, scoring, defense, even a nice assist. Good thing too, if he had put up another stinker things would have continued to feel like they were going downhill for him. It's just one game, but hopefully it's something to build on, get his confidence back up.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby abeer3 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:42 am

that was more in line with what I expected/hoped.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby karacha on Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:24 am

Definitely better then I expected.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:54 am

First good game from Wes
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:54 am

Weezy wrote:Great game for Johnson, scoring, defense, even a nice assist. Good thing too, if he had put up another stinker things would have continued to feel like they were going downhill for him. It's just one game, but hopefully it's something to build on, get his confidence back up.


Agreed. It was really nice to Johnson have a break out game and show that he belongs on the team and can do some great things out there. Good stuff. I still don't like him playing the 4 though.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:29 pm

Like I said the kid has talent and as long as he can knock down some set shots, he's going to do just fine.

Wes is my boy, so don't be surprised when I go to bat for him. :man1:

The main problem for him though is consistency. Will he do this consistently and take that next step as a basketball player.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:05 pm

I'm not sure he will do that very often...... He's had just 24 games of double figure scoring in his last 2 full seasons. He played great in his first run for sure but consistency is his problem.

If he does do this even 15 times this year he will be a good pickup. We'll see. It's preseason after all.

Interesting that his career high is against us...... Let's hope it isn't another in the long line of scrubs that kill us signing here only to never attain that level of play ever again.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Pig Miller on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:10 pm

the issue i see with him is that he's not particularly good at any one thing. he doesn't shoot the ball above average, doesn't handle the ball better than others, is a decent defensive player, but not a stopper by any means.

i'm curious as to how he'll make his niche on this team. i wish he had 1 very marketable skill, because then he'd be a true asset to the team
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:30 pm

Defense has to be his thing, he's not a stopper, but he needs to be a big activity and hustle guy on defense.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:14 am

Pig Miller wrote:the issue i see with him is that he's not particularly good at any one thing. he doesn't shoot the ball above average, doesn't handle the ball better than others, is a decent defensive player, but not a stopper by any means.

i'm curious as to how he'll make his niche on this team. i wish he had 1 very marketable skill, because then he'd be a true asset to the team


but the thing, like in last game, he doesn't need to be.

as long as he knows his role on the court, the game will come to him. his skills are there, he's not a star, but kid can definitely play.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:17 pm

D'Antoni is really trying to turn a athletic SF in Wesley Johnson into a PF just like he did with Shawn Marion. Will Wes average 10 RPG like Marion did?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:41 pm

Kobe8Fan wrote:D'Antoni is really trying to turn a athletic SF in Wesley Johnson into a PF just like he did with Shawn Marion. Will Wes average 10 RPG like Marion did?


I don't think he will average 10, but he's surprisingly a good rebounder for how skinny he is. That Mike Brown athleticism and length helps him out a lot.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:58 pm

Not the role I expected to see him in but he's playing well regardless.. Can't wait to watch his game continue growing as a Laker.
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