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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:08 am

I am the biggest Wes fan on the board and I'll tell you right now Ron Artest when HE was 25 would absolutely make Wes Johnson his b****.

Obviously now Artest is an older guy, he's not as mobile, and a lot of his deficiencies are magnified. But even so I would rather go to war with Artest at my side then Wes.

We need a lot more out of Wes than the occasional good game. I'm with you that he's looking improved. He's growing with the team and finding his role which is great. But semi-Allstar? Slow that roll a little bit. Slow that roll...
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Re: Wesley Johnson is better then MWP

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:41 pm

Slurpee22 wrote:It's a relief, that the Lakers finally have a defensive stopper who doesn't jack up 15 shots per game... yes Wesley does at times, take bad shots... but he's really turning into a semi all-star player... and he still hasn't felt comfortable yet.

this management did a great job finding so many GEMS in the off-season.


Wow... where to start? MWP today is a better team defender than Johnson. I know everyone is high on the kid but he's really not that good at overall defense. He's a lot like Morris was last year IMHO.

In the crucial point of the early 4th quarter he made two switches on the left side out near the 3 point line. Neither was called for in the scheme as there was no off side helper in position. The result was he switched onto a very quick guard that can't shoot from distance. He crowded him at the 3 point line and got blown by on consecutive possessions for wide open layups. That was part of the comeback where they closed the game to within 6 I believe.

Now can he play decent defense? Yes. Does he do it at any higher rate than most of the others out there? not really. He makes some spectacular plays with his athleticism but he is also running rogue in the team defensive sets that results in wide open shots for the opposition. In the GS game he was the one collapsing into the middle and leaving Farmar on the outside with 3 perimeter shooters to cover. How many times did they rotate the ball to find a wide open shooter off of that action? A lot is the correct answer.

He has no feel for the team game it seems..... he makes the occasional spectacular individual play but the rest is still just out of reach it seems.

WTS, I still think he's got a chance at getting it and becoming a real contributor on both ends.

As for the "All Star" comment.... I'll assume it was a momentary lapse of sanity and leave it at that...
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:16 pm

When we signed Wes I didn't think I'd be saying this but when Kobe returns, hopefully Wes takes the biggest cut in minutes.. I like X better next to Kobe in the starting lineup & Young seems to be finding his stride with the 2nd unit.. Williams & Hill are better options at PF leaving Wes the odd man out.. But who knows with D'antoni.. If Williams is injured Wes might become the starter.
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Re: Wesley Johnson is better then MWP

Postby purp n gold on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:28 pm

Topic: Wesley Johnson is better then MWP

Incorrect: MWP is better than Wesley Johnson
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Damian Necronamous on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:35 pm

Once Kobe comes back, we should go with...

Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Meeks
Kobe / Young
Wes Johnson / Hill / Williams
Pau / Kaman
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:49 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:I'm excited about what he brings if he's consistent. Slashing to the rim creating easy opportunities for himself, hitting 3's, playing the passing lanes with his wingspan, blocking two shots; this is what we need every night from him. If he can do this consistently, it will be such a huge help.


His career is exactly what we've seen so far..... Stinker after stinker and then a game that makes the coach think he's got a chance....... Rinse and repeat.

He played OK last night.... Still was leaving his man to help when the team set didn't dictate it. He was the one largely responsible for the wide open threes and the lack of rotations all night. He's lost in the team defensive set.

He hit some shots and was active on the offensive end and had his best game in that respect.

I hope he can turn a corner but at this point his minutes should be limited and he should be on the court with Farmar and the second unit because the run more. As a starter his lack of understanding would be even more exposed.


Well, he's put two decent games together; the expectation of being a high draft pick & playing for franchises that expect so much puts a lot of pressure on the player in this case, Johnson...he came here with an attitude to play defense (as said in his press conference) and contribute where he can; so far, he's doing a decent job.

I agree about his rotations defensively; that can be something he works on with Rambis, Lewis, and Madsen to get a better grasp of the scheme we're running defensively and develop good habits; he's not perfect, I don't expect him to be; although, he has responsibilities on defense that need to get better, I believe they will as the season progress.

MDA doesn't run a highly structured offense...so you're right in the sense of playing him with the 2nd unit; Johnson wouldn't get any time with Phil; in this system, he will because he has the freedom to shoot, slash, and get out in transition.

The coaching staff and Wesley both have need to keep it simple. Defense, slash, hit the open shot. Don't be asked to do anything more...as long as he keeps the game simple, plays to his strengths, he'll be fine, IMO.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Sirron on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:03 pm

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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Slurpee22 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:57 pm

So here's what I want to know, is Wesley Johnson better player then Earl Clark? I have seen the Cavs games so far and Clark looks like he's just happy he collected the paycheck from the Cavs.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby nickvanexel on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:06 pm

yeah, I saw Earl underperforming too. It's funny, because before free agency he posted his laker jersey and announced an ALL STAR SEASON for 2013.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:19 pm

Clark looks no different to me on the Cavs or last year with us. If he isn't having a good game, he isn't doing anything on the court.

Honestly he should of stayed where he looked the best, but money talks and we have Wesley Johnson now.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:39 pm

the way Mike is playing this dude, its gona ruin his career. He was already one of the worst in the leagues in settling for mid range shots before he came to this team, now he's settling for pure 3's and even longer 2's. He should be more of a barnes/jamison type who is constantly on the move and and get some nice back door action :man1: not chucking 3's every chance he gets.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:46 pm

khmrP wrote:the way Mike is playing this dude, its gona ruin his career. He was already one of the worst in the leagues in settling for mid range shots before he came to this team, now he's settling for pure 3's and even longer 2's. He should be more of a barnes/jamison type who is constantly on the move and and get some nice back door action :man1: not chucking 3's every chance he gets.


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lotus on Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:49 pm

Damian Necronamous wrote:Once Kobe comes back, we should go with...

Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Meeks
Kobe / Young
Wes Johnson / Hill / Williams
Pau / Kaman

Fixed:
Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Young / Meeks
Kobe / Wes Johnson / Williams
Hill / Kaman / Williams
Pau / Kaman
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby TheOp on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:31 am

This guy is starting to impress me more and more. Great defense with rebounding and blocks, and his jump shot has improved a lot. I think he would make a great fit starting next to Kobe.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:09 am

Johnson was better last night but still far from adequate other than a few athletic plays he's still just standing around the 3 point line on offense and leaving his man constantly on defense. If he can make up for that by dominating athletically fine.... but then he goes and misses a dunk and 2 layups....

Maybe he'll settle in but last night I really wanted to see more Henry because he can put pressure on a defense with the ball in his hands.... Wes just chucks contested 3's and never even thinks of attacking the rim.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:34 am

His defense towards the end on Harden was the best of anyone on our team. He forced Harden into some dumb shots (which I maintain isn't that hard, but still).

His energy on the glass though is what I am surprised by. He's been a proficient rebounder on both ends. I like this kid a lot and I think he has a very high ceiling and a place in this league but we need consistency that's all.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:47 am

the effort is there. a little too 3-happy yesterday, but honestly who wasn't...

he def saved our a***es on that inbounds play...
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Center Court on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:22 pm

lotus wrote:
Damian Necronamous wrote:Once Kobe comes back, we should go with...

Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Meeks
Kobe / Young
Wes Johnson / Hill / Williams
Pau / Kaman

Fixed:
Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Young / Meeks
Kobe / Wes Johnson / Williams
Hill / Kaman / Williams
Pau / Kaman


does nobody notice Meeks and Blake are playing pretty damn well?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:29 pm

Center Court wrote:
lotus wrote:
Damian Necronamous wrote:Once Kobe comes back, we should go with...

Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Meeks
Kobe / Young
Wes Johnson / Hill / Williams
Pau / Kaman

Fixed:
Nash / Farmar / Blake
Henry / Young / Meeks
Kobe / Wes Johnson / Williams
Hill / Kaman / Williams
Pau / Kaman


does nobody notice Meeks and Blake are playing pretty damn well?


Why would we have an aging, coming off from injury Kobe play 3? That makes no sense.

Young/Henry/Johnson are more than capable of playing SF to defend.

Meeks has been our best/most consistent player. Blake had 1 good game so far. Henry seems to have tapered off somewhere.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby gcclaker on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:32 pm

therealdeal wrote:His defense towards the end on Harden was the best of anyone on our team. He forced Harden into some dumb shots (which I maintain isn't that hard, but still).

His energy on the glass though is what I am surprised by. He's been a proficient rebounder on both ends. I like this kid a lot and I think he has a very high ceiling and a place in this league but we need consistency that's all.

I like Johnson's motor too. He is constantly on the move. All he needs to figure out is his strenghts and weaknesses on offense.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:25 pm

gcclaker wrote:
therealdeal wrote:His defense towards the end on Harden was the best of anyone on our team. He forced Harden into some dumb shots (which I maintain isn't that hard, but still).

His energy on the glass though is what I am surprised by. He's been a proficient rebounder on both ends. I like this kid a lot and I think he has a very high ceiling and a place in this league but we need consistency that's all.

I like Johnson's motor too. He is constantly on the move. All he needs to figure out is his strenghts and weaknesses on offense.

I'd like to see a little more going to the basket from him and a little less shooting, but that's alright. He's learning.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:30 pm

He's been hitting his jumpers more consistently. Enjoying his athleticism and activity a la the possession where his activity caused Dwight to score for us. Would be nice to see him hit 1-2 more of those WIDE open looks. He's only going to improve as the season continues. Still don't like him at the 4. What, is he going to guard LeBron and Durant too?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:31 pm

Wes is easily our best answer for Durant. Probably the best answer for LeBron too, but that's not saying much.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:54 pm

Well I can see Durant in a way because he's lanky like Kevin. To be honest, our best answer for LeBron is playing a box and one, with no one on LeBron.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:51 pm

Well a box and one means we'd have one person still on him, but Wes is probably still that one person who'd we'd use.
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