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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:06 pm

Ok. As one of the biggest critics of Wes this year, he's looked good the last couple of games. If that means anything I'd take him back for the vet min even if we are stacked at small forward....er...stretch 4...er....well you get the idea. Vet min.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:16 pm

Well he recently said that he definitely wants to be back with the Lakers, which is always good to know. Whether or not he will be back I think will have more to do if hes willing to take a paycut or sign for the vets minimum again.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:43 am

Does anyone think he'll get a bigger offer somewhere else?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:22 am

Wes is having a resurgent last couple of weeks. That's the story of his 4.5 years so far however. He plays engaged for a while then disappears. Around Christmas he was dead weight out there….. when we needed him to step up in the face of the injuries we had…..

Even on his best day he's still lacking feel for the game. He's no longer a young guy and he's had a full college career as well. This may very well be his final pro contract unless he can really impress someone the in the next 2 months.

That said, we may keep him another year if MDA stays just for continuity if we can't really rebuild this offseason…… which I think is remote at best.

On a team that is really in the hunt for a title he's an end of the bench guy.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby XXIV on Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:51 pm

therealdeal wrote:Does anyone think he'll get a bigger offer somewhere else?


I'd be very surprised if he does, unless he goes on a tear these last couple months.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby trodgers on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:58 pm

If I were a contender and was interested in a second string wing player for a small ball team, I'd offer him a contract - and he might jump at that over this team. Not sure. MDA gives him minutes.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:36 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Wes is having a resurgent last couple of weeks. That's the story of his 4.5 years so far however. He plays engaged for a while then disappears. Around Christmas he was dead weight out there….. when we needed him to step up in the face of the injuries we had…..

Even on his best day he's still lacking feel for the game. He's no longer a young guy and he's had a full college career as well. This may very well be his final pro contract unless he can really impress someone the in the next 2 months.

That said, we may keep him another year if MDA stays just for continuity if we can't really rebuild this offseason…… which I think is remote at best.

On a team that is really in the hunt for a title he's an end of the bench guy.


"This may very well be his last pro contract?" Are you freaken serious? He's one of the better athletes in this league. You can't teach what he has. Even though he isn't that skilled, his athleticism alone impacts games in ways not too many can. Basketball is a game of skill but at the nba level, athleticsm is also a big factor. As long as he's young and athletic, there will be a team willing to bring him on for the minimum.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:06 pm

Not a big fan of Wes here. I find him very lackadaisical. He's got all the athletic tools but lacks the desire, heart and dedication to really achieve in this league, IMO. He should be world's better than he currently is. Not sure I want him back next year even at the minimum. And I definitely don't want him playing the 4 any more.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:07 pm

XXIV wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Does anyone think he'll get a bigger offer somewhere else?


I'd be very surprised if he does, unless he goes on a tear these last couple months.


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:04 am

Lakerjones wrote:Not a big fan of Wes here. I find him very lackadaisical. He's got all the athletic tools but lacks the desire, heart and dedication to really achieve in this league, IMO. He should be world's better than he currently is. Not sure I want him back next year even at the minimum. And I definitely don't want him playing the 4 any more.

I disagree 100% that he doesn't have heart. I think he does and I think he's a gamer actually. The problem is his inconsistent motor and I'm not sure how to fix that. He wasn't consistent with Rambis and he definitely isn't consistent with D'Antoni. Part of that is his opportunities, but part of that just seems like he doesn't always recognize when he needs to push and when he needs to pull back. He hasn't figured that out yet and I think that's not going to change at this point.

He's got the physical tools to be a Marion or at the least an Ariza circa 2009, but his decision making in the half court hasn't improved at all.

Obviously I was the one who was most excited to see him here and he's been a net disappointment for sure, but there's some positives in him too. He's incredibly long and athletic (that's why I liked him in the first place) and on the fast break he uses that pretty effectively.

In a limited bench role, he'd thrive as a pick-up-the-pace bench attack. Something like Farmar/Henry/Johnson off the bench could really be nice on the break if the actually played any defense at all.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 am

A few things with Wes and this current team.

1. Inconsistent lineups/minutes. No one can get in a solid rhythm when the offense is changing every 5 games. Even Marshall has landed back to Earth after doing a stellar job starting.

2. Out of position. MDA is truly playing Wes at the 4. He's definitely long enough, but definitely not strong enough. Wes plays 3, but I think lacks the IQ and quickness laterally to keep up with the smaller wingers and relies on his length too often reaching. Hence he gets those touch fouls so easily.

At best, I can see Shawn Marion in Wes (hence I guess why MDA is playing him at 4). Long lanky athletic wing who can finish around the basket. His jumpshot is okay, but I wouldn't count on him to knock down the shot. But he's lacking the skills to be an elite defender which I think SHOULD be his calling card with his wingspan and athleticism.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:29 am

Wes is 27 so he isn't going to be anything special. He is what he is, which is a freakish athlete with not much skills. But that freakish athleticism is enough to allow him to make an impact. You always need SOME athleticism on your team at the NBA level. It is simply a requirement. They can do things for you that guys who lack athleticism can't do no matter how skilled they are. Wes is nothing but Andrew Wiggins coming out the draft this year. Maybe slightly less athletic but not by much.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Juronimo on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:07 am

therealdeal wrote:He's got the physical tools to be a Marion or at the least an Ariza circa 2009, but his decision making in the half court hasn't improved at all.


The Marion comparison is unfair. Marion's bball IQ is Larry Bird like compared to Wes Johnson, no way Wes gets to that. He could be an Ariza type if we had some decent coaching and a healthy Kobe around to kick his behind in practice every day. Right now we have Kobe in street clothes and a buffoon as a coach.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:15 am

Juronimo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's got the physical tools to be a Marion or at the least an Ariza circa 2009, but his decision making in the half court hasn't improved at all.


The Marion comparison is unfair. Marion's bball IQ is Larry Bird like compared to Wes Johnson, no way Wes gets to that. He could be an Ariza type if we had some decent coaching and a healthy Kobe around to kick his behind in practice every day. Right now we have Kobe in street clothes and a buffoon as a coach.

How is that unfair? I said he's got the physical tools to be a Marion. Where in physical tools do we get to basketball IQ?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:40 am

I just like to watch Wes play because i'm in awe of his freakish athleticism. Really, there aren't too many guys who have his perfect combination of size, length and athleticism. Some guys are shorter and a bit quicker but lack the height/length while others are taller but aren't as explosive or agile. Wes has the perfect build that most great guards/forwards have, about 6'7" and 205 lbs. He's coordinated as hell, fluid, agile, just everything you want when evaluating a player's raw athleticism. It's just a shame he doesn't have the IQ or skills to back up his game. I don't know if he doesn't work on his game or what but he could be so much more given his raw talents.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:49 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wes is having a resurgent last couple of weeks. That's the story of his 4.5 years so far however. He plays engaged for a while then disappears. Around Christmas he was dead weight out there….. when we needed him to step up in the face of the injuries we had…..

Even on his best day he's still lacking feel for the game. He's no longer a young guy and he's had a full college career as well. This may very well be his final pro contract unless he can really impress someone the in the next 2 months.

That said, we may keep him another year if MDA stays just for continuity if we can't really rebuild this offseason…… which I think is remote at best.

On a team that is really in the hunt for a title he's an end of the bench guy.


"This may very well be his last pro contract?" Are you freaken serious? He's one of the better athletes in this league. You can't teach what he has. Even though he isn't that skilled, his athleticism alone impacts games in ways not too many can. Basketball is a game of skill but at the nba level, athleticsm is also a big factor. As long as he's young and athletic, there will be a team willing to bring him on for the minimum.


I see a commonality in how you evaluate players….. dunks equal greatness… you must miss Shannon.

Wes hasn't progressed one bit in the league….. "athletes" are not that rare in today's game. He had 5 years in college to learn the game and still it escapes him in the easiest offense on earth to learn. A "D" leaguer is second in the NBA in assists in this offense….. and he's had ever changing lineups too.

He is what he is…. an athletic 12th man on a contending team. Inconsistent and not engaged oftentimes.

I'm sick of his constant smiling when we're getting our butts beat. Last night was a perfect example. He's not into the game mentally and doesn't' seem to have a desire to win.

A 28 year old with his skill is pretty easily replaced in this league. MDA seems to like him so he may stay on another 1 year deal if he does otherwise he may be on to 10 contracts.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Juronimo on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:52 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Juronimo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's got the physical tools to be a Marion or at the least an Ariza circa 2009, but his decision making in the half court hasn't improved at all.


The Marion comparison is unfair. Marion's bball IQ is Larry Bird like compared to Wes Johnson, no way Wes gets to that. He could be an Ariza type if we had some decent coaching and a healthy Kobe around to kick his behind in practice every day. Right now we have Kobe in street clothes and a buffoon as a coach.

How is that unfair? I said he's got the physical tools to be a Marion. Where in physical tools do we get to basketball IQ?


Marion is an excellent defender who can guard more than one position, a player that averaged 20 ppg in his prime despite not having plays ran for him and has made an all star team or two. I don't see any of that in Wes. Marion understands the game in a way that Wes will never understand it.

The only comparison between the 2 is that they're both above average athletes. That's where the comparison ends. Marion is superior in every aspect of the game.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:13 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wes is having a resurgent last couple of weeks. That's the story of his 4.5 years so far however. He plays engaged for a while then disappears. Around Christmas he was dead weight out there….. when we needed him to step up in the face of the injuries we had…..

Even on his best day he's still lacking feel for the game. He's no longer a young guy and he's had a full college career as well. This may very well be his final pro contract unless he can really impress someone the in the next 2 months.

That said, we may keep him another year if MDA stays just for continuity if we can't really rebuild this offseason…… which I think is remote at best.

On a team that is really in the hunt for a title he's an end of the bench guy.


"This may very well be his last pro contract?" Are you freaken serious? He's one of the better athletes in this league. You can't teach what he has. Even though he isn't that skilled, his athleticism alone impacts games in ways not too many can. Basketball is a game of skill but at the nba level, athleticsm is also a big factor. As long as he's young and athletic, there will be a team willing to bring him on for the minimum.


I see a commonality in how you evaluate players….. dunks equal greatness… you must miss Shannon.
Wes hasn't progressed one bit in the league….. "athletes" are not that rare in today's game. He had 5 years in college to learn the game and still it escapes him in the easiest offense on earth to learn. A "D" leaguer is second in the NBA in assists in this offense….. and he's had ever changing lineups too.

He is what he is…. an athletic 12th man on a contending team. Inconsistent and not engaged oftentimes.

I'm sick of his constant smiling when we're getting our butts beat. Last night was a perfect example. He's not into the game mentally and doesn't' seem to have a desire to win.

A 28 year old with his skill is pretty easily replaced in this league. MDA seems to like him so he may stay on another 1 year deal if he does otherwise he may be on to 10 contracts.


Jesus Christ man. Do you have to try to degrade me every time you reply to my posts? My God. You must be some old timer who played the game 50 years ago and haven't picked up a ball in decades and think you know it all cause you played it decades ago. LOL.

But anyways, a guy with Wesley's height, reach and athleticism is a rare find. To say a guy like him is easy to find is simply not correct. Guys like him don't grow on trees. Again, i'm speaking simply about his measurables, not his skills cause I know you are going to come back with, "he isn't that skilled". I already acknowledge that Mikan.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:17 pm

Juronimo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Juronimo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's got the physical tools to be a Marion or at the least an Ariza circa 2009, but his decision making in the half court hasn't improved at all.


The Marion comparison is unfair. Marion's bball IQ is Larry Bird like compared to Wes Johnson, no way Wes gets to that. He could be an Ariza type if we had some decent coaching and a healthy Kobe around to kick his behind in practice every day. Right now we have Kobe in street clothes and a buffoon as a coach.

How is that unfair? I said he's got the physical tools to be a Marion. Where in physical tools do we get to basketball IQ?


Marion is an excellent defender who can guard more than one position, a player that averaged 20 ppg in his prime despite not having plays ran for him and has made an all star team or two. I don't see any of that in Wes. Marion understands the game in a way that Wes will never understand it.

The only comparison between the 2 is that they're both above average athletes. That's where the comparison ends. Marion is superior in every aspect of the game.

Juronimo I don't know why you're missing the point here.

I said physically. I've qualified it now a dozen times: he's PHYSICALLY capable of being Shawn Marion. Where in that does it have anything to do with him being as smart, averaging as many points, etc etc?

You're arguing a point against me that I have not made.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Juronimo on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:51 pm

I don't think he's physically as capable as Marion either. Marion is strong enough to guard 4's. Wes clearly isn't.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:56 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wes is having a resurgent last couple of weeks. That's the story of his 4.5 years so far however. He plays engaged for a while then disappears. Around Christmas he was dead weight out there….. when we needed him to step up in the face of the injuries we had…..

Even on his best day he's still lacking feel for the game. He's no longer a young guy and he's had a full college career as well. This may very well be his final pro contract unless he can really impress someone the in the next 2 months.

That said, we may keep him another year if MDA stays just for continuity if we can't really rebuild this offseason…… which I think is remote at best.

On a team that is really in the hunt for a title he's an end of the bench guy.


"This may very well be his last pro contract?" Are you freaken serious? He's one of the better athletes in this league. You can't teach what he has. Even though he isn't that skilled, his athleticism alone impacts games in ways not too many can. Basketball is a game of skill but at the nba level, athleticsm is also a big factor. As long as he's young and athletic, there will be a team willing to bring him on for the minimum.


I see a commonality in how you evaluate players….. dunks equal greatness… you must miss Shannon.
Wes hasn't progressed one bit in the league….. "athletes" are not that rare in today's game. He had 5 years in college to learn the game and still it escapes him in the easiest offense on earth to learn. A "D" leaguer is second in the NBA in assists in this offense….. and he's had ever changing lineups too.

He is what he is…. an athletic 12th man on a contending team. Inconsistent and not engaged oftentimes.

I'm sick of his constant smiling when we're getting our butts beat. Last night was a perfect example. He's not into the game mentally and doesn't' seem to have a desire to win.

A 28 year old with his skill is pretty easily replaced in this league. MDA seems to like him so he may stay on another 1 year deal if he does otherwise he may be on to 10 contracts.


Jesus Christ man. Do you have to try to degrade me every time you reply to my posts? My God. You must be some old timer who played the game 50 years ago and haven't picked up a ball in decades and think you know it all cause you played it decades ago. LOL.

But anyways, a guy with Wesley's height, reach and athleticism is a rare find. To say a guy like him is easy to find is simply not correct. Guys like him don't grow on trees. Again, i'm speaking simply about his measurables, not his skills cause I know you are going to come back with, "he isn't that skilled". I already acknowledge that Mikan.


Do you really expect someone who knows the game to agree that Wes is a rare find? He's failed to stick with teams that have given him chance after chance. Teams that really needed him to progress and he didn't. He went from a top 4 pick to the NBA minimum on a team filling a roster for a year. That's his value.... And it's been set by the GM's and coaches in the league...... Not me. Of course they played the game in the old days...... What do they know. They never saw that one dunk or that sick block...... And they don't understand the hard stuff like wingspan and vertical..... :man10:

As for degrading comments. I think you comments to me in several threads pass that test a lot more than mine do. Your M.O. Is to deflect when your knowledge is depleted or someone calls you on your hyperbole. As for my Responding to you...... You stop resonding to my posts and you won't see any more responses from me.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:11 pm

Juronimo wrote:I don't think he's physically as capable as Marion either. Marion is strong enough to guard 4's. Wes clearly isn't.

I'm not so sure. Wes did a very good job against Aldridge a few games back. And for the first quarter did decently against Griffin. Griffin had some trouble around the rim early until things opened up and he got out on the run. I think they're roughly equivalent there.

Wes's main difference physically has to come in his quick twitch muscles. Marion was able to recover quicker. Wes has a ton of length, but his hand and foot speed isn't great.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:50 pm

Just me or has Wes been playing pretty well all around lately? For a team that can't be too picky, I don't know that for the minimum we shouldn't keep him as a backup 3, we could do worse. I've been down on him a lot, he's been inconsistent, but again, for the minimum, as a backup, I wouldn't be upset if we re-signed him.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Barnstable on Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:51 pm

Waaaaaaay back up... Third or fourth string.... Sure
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:56 pm

Well that's what I mean, a guy to have on your bench when you need him. I mean we gave that spot to Ebanks for 2 seasons, I'd much rather Wes have it for another season.
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