Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Armani on Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:17 pm

According to 82games, the team's defense and offense is better with him off court (and the minute sample size is fairly large, too). Basically, he's got a lot of unrealized potential, but he'll likely never reach that... nothing special, and wouldn't help a contender very much. We don't have a miracle worker on the coaching staff to work out his issues either, so let him go.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:40 pm

If he walks, he walks, I'm fine with that too, but when I think of who is out there as a bench 3 for the minimum, I don't see a lot of great players. At least Wes is athletic and does bring it some of the time rather than sucking all of the time.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:04 pm

Armani wrote:According to 82games, the team's defense and offense is better with him off court (and the minute sample size is fairly large, too). Basically, he's got a lot of unrealized potential, but he'll likely never reach that... nothing special, and wouldn't help a contender very much. We don't have a miracle worker on the coaching staff to work out his issues either, so let him go.


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:27 am

Weezy wrote:If he walks, he walks, I'm fine with that too, but when I think of who is out there as a bench 3 for the minimum, I don't see a lot of great players. At least Wes is athletic and does bring it some of the time rather than sucking all of the time.

This.

I was the happiest guy when Wes got here, but he's been a disappointment. I think if Kobe were able to play most of the season then Wes could find a niche easier (also if D'Antoni wasn't the coach). But even though he was disappointing, I'd take him back for the minimum. There's not a ton of hyper athletic SFs out there and I still maintain that he could be effective if he'd just embrace his role.

I'm not sure why he doesn't want to be a defensive guy. I don't get it. Maybe he's just not a smart kid.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:27 pm

His athleticism is valuable, but he absolutely need to focus on becoming a defensive stopper, who can run and finish on the fast break. That's his game, and there is no need to pretend he is something he's not. Off the bench, he can be useful if

1. He starts playing D with more focus and intensity and
2. He is willing to sign for the minimum

People like Marshall, Farmar, Young, X, Wes, Hill and Kelly can all be part of something bigger if they feel comfortable in their roles -- and if they come off the bench. Some, like Hill and Young are borderline starters, but the rest are what they are. Unfortunately for us, they were our starters this season and it resulted in one of the worst seasons ever. It's not their fault at all, I'm just saying.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby JSM on Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:46 pm

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Ryan Kelly will likely reach deal soon w/ Lakers. Lakers like Xavier Henry, but no deal is imminent. Lakers unlikely to keep Wesley Johnson
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:54 pm

Fine with me, he's not a future piece for us then, we can move on to looking at others at one position at least.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:15 pm

I liked his potential, but I don't think he's got the brains for the game. :man5:

Bad call on my part.

I would pick Casspi over him if we could get to that guy.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:17 pm

Well that sucks.. He was the 1 good defender (besides Lin) I was counting on starting for us.

So who are we going to have at SF? X who is extremely injury prone & possibly Casspi?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:20 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Well that sucks.. He was the 1 good defender (besides Lin) I was counting on starting for us.

So who are we going to have at SF? X who is extremely injury prone & possibly Casspi?

Casspi and Young would be a solid rotation honestly.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:24 pm

Isn't X really a 2? I know he's 6'6 but he seems like a 2 to me body-wise. I assumed he'd play behind Kobe some if he stayed, a position with not a ton of playing time, maybe limiting injury risk a little.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby LakersN4 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:26 pm

I really hope we don't push Young into the starting lineup.. He's so much better off the bench.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Barnstable on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:31 pm

I'm very ok with this. I didn't feel Johnson did much besides block shots defensively although I think he's better than what we saw with him under Pringles. Offensively I didn't like his game at all. Way too streaky and I would have thought he would have been more athletic around the basket than he was. All in all, I just saw no upside or potential in his game.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:36 pm

Weezy wrote:Isn't X really a 2? I know he's 6'6 but he seems like a 2 to me body-wise. I assumed he'd play behind Kobe some if he stayed, a position with not a ton of playing time, maybe limiting injury risk a little.

I think he's pretty flexible. I'm not sure he'll ever NOT be an injury risk because at least 85% of his game is driving into contact...

But if we've got Clarkson, Henry, Young, and Marshall we've got a lot flexibility through the 1-3 spots. Add in a guy like Casspi and we're really cooking there.

Lin/Marshall
Kobe/Henry/Clarkson
Casspi/Young

That's not the worst rotation out there. It's not bad at all really.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Barnstable wrote:I'm very ok with this. I didn't feel Johnson did much besides block shots defensively although I think he's better than what we saw with him under Pringles. Offensively I didn't like his game at all. Way too streaky and I would have thought he would have been more athletic around the basket than he was. All in all, I just saw no upside or potential in his game.


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby the_Dude on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:37 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Barnstable wrote:I'm very ok with this. I didn't feel Johnson did much besides block shots defensively although I think he's better than what we saw with him under Pringles. Offensively I didn't like his game at all. Way too streaky and I would have thought he would have been more athletic around the basket than he was. All in all, I just saw no upside or potential in his game.


This....

This. This.

It absolutely could have been interesting to see what a different coach could have brought out of him. His defensive potential was always intriguing but his lack of discipline of staying on his feet and and not go after home run steal or block got him into constant trouble. Hopefully a team can bring the best out of him as he continues to develop his shooting touch.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Frank Dux on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:56 pm

therealdeal wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Well that sucks.. He was the 1 good defender (besides Lin) I was counting on starting for us.

So who are we going to have at SF? X who is extremely injury prone & possibly Casspi?

Casspi and Young would be a solid rotation honestly.


hmm, not sure what you see in Casspi. I think he would be pretty bad in our starting lineup. For a guy who's calling card is shooting, he sure is bad at it, doesn't do much else either. I would rather sign Aminu to start, with Swaggy bringing the energy off the bench.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:36 pm

LakersN4 wrote:I really hope we don't push Young into the starting lineup.. He's so much better off the bench.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Manve77 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:59 pm

SF position needs improvement. Right now we've got Young and Wes. Young and Kobe shouldn't be on court together much, cause they both need the ball, they are both main scoring options- Kobe in starting 5 and Young off the bench. It leaves Wes as the only other SF in the roster. So if he's to go, then we need to sign somebody.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:58 am

therealdeal wrote:I liked his potential, but I don't think he's got the brains for the game. :man5:

Bad call on my part.

I would pick Casspi over him if we could get to that guy.


I think Casspi is a Pelican now ... was part of the Rockets/Wizards/Pelicans trade

Edit : yes he's a Pelican ... contract non fully guaranteed until August 5th though

Edit number 2

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Hearing: Omri Casspi most likely gets waived by Pelicans after Asik three-way trade is completed Tuesday. Casspi then gets to pick new home
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:03 am

We do need a 3. I was down on Johnson for much of last year, but a lot of that was because of the system and him playing out of position at the 4 and not being accountable at all on defense.

I wouldn't have minded bringing him back for dirt cheap for another try with Byron Scott, just because B would be on him regarding his D, and Kobe seemed to like him a lot, too. I had given up on his jump shot, but I thought with the right coach he might be taught and have some focus on the defensive end of things. With his youth and athleticism it wouldn't be a bad gamble for a minimum type deal.

But I guess Casspi is more of a known quantity if we can pick him up. I don't want to start Swaggy P. He needs to be our bench scorer.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:06 am

Frank Dux wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Well that sucks.. He was the 1 good defender (besides Lin) I was counting on starting for us.

So who are we going to have at SF? X who is extremely injury prone & possibly Casspi?

Casspi and Young would be a solid rotation honestly.


hmm, not sure what you see in Casspi. I think he would be pretty bad in our starting lineup. For a guy who's calling card is shooting, he sure is bad at it, doesn't do much else either. I would rather sign Aminu to start, with Swaggy bringing the energy off the bench.

He has shot 35% from deep through his career, even better before he went to the crap pool that is Cleveland. I'm not sure where you're looking, but the guy can shoot. He's not the worst defender either and he rebounds nicely for a forward. For 20 minutes a game he gives you 7.7/3.8/1.1 on 35% from deep? Could be much worse than that. I think he's a better fit with Kobe and with Randle than Wes Johnson, but considering the players that are available, he could be part of a solid rotation.

Remember, we're going to be extremely average and the addition/subtraction of Casspi won't stop that. But I'd take him at this point over most of the available options.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby noobiew on Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:10 am

I actually wouldn't mind having Wesley back for the vet minimum.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:13 am

Just for the record, who are the options out there at the 3 besides Casspi, just in case he doesn't get waived, or in case someone offers more, or just for comparison's sake?
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Medina- unlikely to keep him (25)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:14 am

noobiew wrote:I actually wouldn't mind having Wesley back for the vet minimum.


Me, too.
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