what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby rockorego on Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:56 am

we all know what we'll lose if he leaves "BUT" what can the lakers gain if Dwight leaves? i'm talking trades,FA signings everything.
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Postby LooN3y on Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:59 am

we wont have to hear his crying and whining
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:07 am

none ... I'm not the biggest D12 fan out there but thinking we'll be fine/better if he leaves is ridiculous
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby kakafung on Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:53 am

the benefit is you can get some sleep till the next summer wake up this post
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby dak22 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:55 am

Starts the rebuild now instead of 6 years down the line. A team lead by Howard is destined to come up short everytime.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby LooN3y on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:01 am

kakafung wrote:the benefit is you can get some sleep till the next summer wake up this post



i dont think google translate is working for you
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:59 am

flexibility...we will have no one under contract in 2014 if Nash retires after this season :man9:
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby extreme on Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:02 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:flexibility...we will have no one under contract in 2014 if Nash retires after this season :man9:

I personally think should have retired last season. Let's just face it, he's done.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby 100%effort on Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:52 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:none ... I'm not the biggest D12 fan out there but thinking we'll be fine/better if he leaves is ridiculous


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Postby Azndude2190 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:12 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:none ... I'm not the biggest D12 fan out there but thinking we'll be fine/better if he leaves is ridiculous


I don't know of anyone who thinks we'll be better without Dwight, just that the rebuilding process will be quicker .

Also, I don't think it's a good idea to rebuild around a 27 year old coming off of surgery, who at best is just a really good All-Star caliber player, but not franchise material.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:41 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:none ... I'm not the biggest D12 fan out there but thinking we'll be fine/better if he leaves is ridiculous


Your time frame is what?

I don't think keeping Howard puts any closer to a championship. Next summer we either have Howard and Nash under contract for about 30M or we have Nash under contract for 10M. Kobe will be coming back for probably around 15-18M but he won't count initially in our FA next summer. EVERYONE ELSE IS GONE. So for us to get back to a championship level squad is going to take a whole lot of players. We will go from waaay over the cap to just over it most likely... which means we will have just one season to effectively rebuild every position other than SG (and C if Howard stays). Once we're over the cap again it's MLE's which are role players.

I've always thought of it this way.... Centers are not the first slot you need in todays game when rebuilding.... a dynamic wing player is. You need front court scoring but it doesn't have to be a center. Center's do not create their own shots so for them to be effective they need a lot of key players around them. Great wing player OTOH create shots for both themselves and others.

I could go on but suffice to say that I'm in your "ridiculous" category I guess.....I don't think we're any closer to a title if he stays because I don't think we can rebuild this thing any faster than 3 to 5 years and we will lose our great wing player in that time frame.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:45 am

^^^^ a ton of cap space doesn't automatically mean you can rebuild quicker ... 2014 is Lebron or bust meaning bust ... picks ( if you got some) take time to develop ... plus as long as Kobe keeps doing what's best for Kobe ( i.e until he retires) , the rebulding process will go slower ( post is for AZ2190)
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:52 am

Rooscooter wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:none ... I'm not the biggest D12 fan out there but thinking we'll be fine/better if he leaves is ridiculous


Your time frame is what?

I don't think keeping Howard puts any closer to a championship. Next summer we either have Howard and Nash under contract for about 30M or we have Nash under contract for 10M. Kobe will be coming back for probably around 15-18M but he won't count initially in our FA next summer. EVERYONE ELSE IS GONE. So for us to get back to a championship level squad is going to take a whole lot of players. We will go from waaay over the cap to just over it most likely... which means we will have just one season to effectively rebuild every position other than SG (and C if Howard stays). Once we're over the cap again it's MLE's which are role players.

I've always thought of it this way.... Centers are not the first slot you need in todays game when rebuilding.... a dynamic wing player is. You need front court scoring but it doesn't have to be a center. Center's do not create their own shots so for them to be effective they need a lot of key players around them. Great wing player OTOH create shots for both themselves and others.

I could go on but suffice to say that I'm in your "ridiculous" category I guess.....I don't think we're any closer to a title if he stays because I don't think we can rebuild this thing any faster than 3 to 5 years and we will lose our great wing player in that time frame.


I would agree with you if this great wing player was potentially available ... which is not the case ...

Can D12 lead us to a title ? I don't think so but it's better to have him and bring "young and athletic" assets around him who can shoot than starting from scratch without a 1st or pseudo 1st option
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:50 am

1. If Dwight walks we don't have to waste any more time on a guy that just doesn't want to be the franchise player of the Los Angeles Lakers. We don't waste any more time on a guy who just doesn't have the heart.

2. We save money.

3. Our rebuild starts immediately and hopefully we get a nice pick in this upcoming draft.

4. Maybe we sign and trade him and get two picks in the draft and a couple of young building blocks.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:54 am

The more I think about it the GS possibility is our best situation. We can get a jump start on our rebuild.... maybe Mitch can get Nash into the mix and really free up 2014 and we can get some of the picks back that we blew last summer.

Howard gets his full contract and to play with younger talent.

It seems like a win-win to me. I'm sure this is what's going on behind the scenes.

Also the more I think about it the S&T way is most likely the only way he goes to GS. Taking less money and still paying CA taxes is a huge hit to what he makes.... going to Houston he gets the tax relief... he doesn't at GS. So he can be OUR leverage in this as well.... strange possibilities indeed.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:25 am

therealdeal wrote:1. If Dwight walks we don't have to waste any more time on a guy that just doesn't want to be the franchise player of the Los Angeles Lakers. We don't waste any more time on a guy who just doesn't have the heart.

2. We save money.

3. Our rebuild starts immediately and hopefully we get a nice pick in this upcoming draft.

4. Maybe we sign and trade him and get two picks in the draft and a couple of young building blocks.


Thank god we only wasted it on an absolutely crappy coach for Howard & this team, which resulted in him leaving. But as said and I agree, Kobe talked straight to him and if his EGO is so big that put him off rather than embracing the challenge and many rewards this great franchise offers, then it's better he's gone anyway. Because soon as things got tough again or he thinks he didn't get his fair amount of shots the DRAMA starts all over.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:31 am

If Dwight leaves it's NOT because of D'Antoni. That's a lame excuse and everyone should know that. The real reason he'd leave is because he can't deal with what Kobe proposed and he can't handle the work it'd take to be a Champion in Los Angeles.

And since he can't handle that, that's his fault. NOT D'Antoni's.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:36 am

If he walks for nothing, there are no benefits unless we use all that money saved & somehow pull a Miami next summer. If we take Barnes, Bogut, 1st.. The benefits are: we get a potential star SF on the 2nd year of his rookie contract & we'll have 2 picks in a much hyped draft, while still maintaining the ability to sign a max guy or even 2 next summer.
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Postby Lakerjones on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:38 am

Rooscooter wrote:The more I think about it the GS possibility is our best situation. We can get a jump start on our rebuild.... maybe Mitch can get Nash into the mix and really free up 2014 and we can get some of the picks back that we blew last summer.

Howard gets his full contract and to play with younger talent.

It seems like a win-win to me. I'm sure this is what's going on behind the scenes.

Also the more I think about it the S&T way is most likely the only way he goes to GS. Taking less money and still paying CA taxes is a huge hit to what he makes.... going to Houston he gets the tax relief... he doesn't at GS. So he can be OUR leverage in this as well.... strange possibilities indeed.


I'd still prefer to see him stay here, but I agree that the S and T possibility with GS is very intriguing as well. If our FO is insistent (and they sure seem to be) on going with D' Antoni moving forward, it's a way to get players who can fit his style right now rather than trying to trade Pau. Let's face it, the offense actually looked best when Pau was in and Dwight was out with his shoulder. The defense sucked, but the defense sucked for most of the year any way, and D' Antoni doesn't care about that on top of it.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:41 am

therealdeal wrote:If Dwight leaves it's NOT because of D'Antoni. That's a lame excuse and everyone should know that. The real reason he'd leave is because he can't deal with what Kobe proposed and he can't handle the work it'd take to be a Champion in Los Angeles.

And since he can't handle that, that's his fault. NOT D'Antoni's.


I'm not as quick to write off MDA turning Dwight off as you are. He's stated through many mouthpieces that he doesn't like playing under D' Antoni and he wanted something different moving forward. Kobe's speech has only been cited as a turnoff by Broussard so I don't trust that. Regardless, there may be myriad reasons Dwight would choose to leave LA including D' Antoni and/or Kobe. We'll just have to see what happens.
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby diehard on Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:03 am

We don't try and build around a guy who wants to be the man but has a VERY limited offensive game and shoots under 50% from the free throw line. How many times can we stand to watch whack-a-mole as our offensive strategy? We're supposed to take our "best" player out of the game when it's crunch time, or we're trying to make a come back because he shoots free throws as poorly as a seventh grader?
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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:09 am

Lakerjones wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:The more I think about it the GS possibility is our best situation. We can get a jump start on our rebuild.... maybe Mitch can get Nash into the mix and really free up 2014 and we can get some of the picks back that we blew last summer.

Howard gets his full contract and to play with younger talent.

It seems like a win-win to me. I'm sure this is what's going on behind the scenes.

Also the more I think about it the S&T way is most likely the only way he goes to GS. Taking less money and still paying CA taxes is a huge hit to what he makes.... going to Houston he gets the tax relief... he doesn't at GS. So he can be OUR leverage in this as well.... strange possibilities indeed.


I'd still prefer to see him stay here, but I agree that the S and T possibility with GS is very intriguing as well. If our FO is insistent (and they sure seem to be) on going with D' Antoni moving forward, it's a way to get players who can fit his style right now rather than trying to trade Pau. Let's face it, the offense actually looked best when Pau was in and Dwight was out with his shoulder. The defense sucked, but the defense sucked for most of the year any way, and D' Antoni doesn't care about that on top of it.


Once we begin or even entertain talks with GS I think Howard coming back here is officially over. It isn't like we have him under our control. Once we begin talks it means we're willing to sign him as a way to get some compensation.... not that he's willing to play for the Lakers and we are trading him because we like what we're getting. We kind of have a gun to our head.... get nothing (shoot) or get something that you might not fully want (kind of like Brian Grant).

If it's all media made up puff to keep eyes on them then we may still have a chance.... but the chatter seems pretty far and wide for that.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:22 am

diehard wrote:We don't try and build around a guy who wants to be the man but has a VERY limited offensive game and shoots under 50% from the free throw line. How many times can we stand to watch whack-a-mole as our offensive strategy? We're supposed to take our "best" player out of the game when it's crunch time, or we're trying to make a come back because he shoots free throws as poorly as a seventh grader?


Wow look for the PC crowd to come after you for offending 7th graders everywhere. :man10:
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Postby akonitanaka on Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:48 pm

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Re: what are the "benefits" of losing DH?

Postby Weezy on Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:29 pm

We lose a 'me first' player who pretends to be about team (the showing everyone the stat sheet in the locker room incident, "playing the right way" said in interviews, read: "give me the ball), we lose a guy we would have given a HUGE contract to that I don't believe is a true franchise carrying player, a guy that seems to want to have fun more than win, who's game doesn't seem to grow as he has little to no post game, no jump shot, and can't shoot free throws, and who seems to remain pretty immature. Those are just my benefits, but there are many negatives to losing him as well, many.
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