What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby emplay on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:04 pm

Hey all,

I’ve been remiss:

What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers' roster?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9062.story

In Kobe Bryant's extension with Lakers, did he give back enough?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 1515.story

Lakers sign Kobe Bryant to a two-year contract extension
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9465.story

Kobe Bryant shares picture of signed contract extension
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9611.story

Lakers may only have 10 players available on three-game road trip
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 1871.story

Lakers' Week 4 in review
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 1553.story

Mike D'Antoni: Lakers' Jordan Hill 'playing at an All-Star level'
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2662.story

Point/Counterpoint: Best First-Year Head Coach
http://www.hoopsworld.com/pointcounterp ... head-coach

Lakers even record at 7-7 with a 100-86 victory over Kings
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 8002.story

Lakers' Week 3 in review
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 6370.story

Lakers: Week 4 predictions
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 5222.story

Lakers finish Week 3 in 12th place in Western Conference
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4733.story

Jordan Hill's promotion to starter affecting Lakers' bench
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2920.story

Bryant practices again with Lakers, says he might play this month
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2453.story

Watch Kobe Bryant nail a jump shot in slow motion
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 6802.story

Lakers one of three NBA teams without an individual technical foul
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9450.story

Pau Gasol impressed by Kobe Bryant's relatively quick return
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2155.story

Philadelphia 76ers waive former Lakers Kwame Brown, Darius Morris
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 6143.story

Memphis Grizzlies Closing out Competition
http://www.hoopsworld.com/memphis-grizz ... ompetition

Coach Mike D'Antoni's early take on Kobe Bryant's return to practice
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 1721.story

Pau Gasol raising money for Philippines; visits L.A. kids' hospital
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9042.story

Kobe Bryant sits out Lakers practice because of 'general soreness'
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4885.story

Billy Hunter claims Kobe Bryant meddled in NBA labor negotiations
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7427.story

Lakers recall Ryan Kelly, Elias Harris from D-Fenders
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7293.story

Preview: Lakers vs. Golden State Warriors
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 1123.story

Lakers' Steve Nash says he's not contemplating retirement
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2635.story

Minneapolis Lakers Hall of Famer Vern Mikkelsen dies at 85
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 5115.story

Lakers turn back depleted Warriors, 102-95
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 0245.story

Former Lakers champion Michael Cooper to coach WNBA's Atlanta Dream
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7392.story

Ryan Kelly and Elias Harris back to D-Fenders for season opener
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2107.story

It'd be 'very hard' for Kobe Bryant to play on trip, Mike D'Antoni says
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7123.story

Harris, Kelly put up big numbers in D-Fenders' opening-night loss
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4498.story

Preview: Lakers vs. Sacramento Kings
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9947.story

Thanks!

Eric
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Good breakdown, Eric...as fans we are so emotionally invested into our franchise and Kobe taking 50 million over two years bothered a lot of fans and they may be justified in their criticism...nevertheless, thanks for pointing out the numbers so we can realistically see what we have potentially have going forward. As you stated, it is complex, but I'll add not impossible.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby LakerJack on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:59 pm

What nobody seems to mention is the possibility of Kobe renegotiating this contract for less money in the future if the Lakers need the cash for a legit free agent. Would you trust Jimmy to do the right thing? I feel Kobe's money is available to the Lakers IF they find the right free agent fit and ask Kobe to make the sacrifice for a ring.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby Frank Dux on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:58 pm

LakerJack wrote:What nobody seems to mention is the possibility of Kobe renegotiating this contract for less money in the future if the Lakers need the cash for a legit free agent. Would you trust Jimmy to do the right thing? I feel Kobe's money is available to the Lakers IF they find the right free agent fit and ask Kobe to make the sacrifice for a ring.


No one in this organization has the balls to ask Kobe to renegotiate a contract after it's inked. Maybe if Dr. Buss or West were around. But I wouldn't count on it.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:56 pm

LakerJack wrote:What nobody seems to mention is the possibility of Kobe renegotiating this contract for less money in the future if the Lakers need the cash for a legit free agent. Would you trust Jimmy to do the right thing? I feel Kobe's money is available to the Lakers IF they find the right free agent fit and ask Kobe to make the sacrifice for a ring.


Nobody mentions it because you can't renegotiate a contract under the CBA rules
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby noobiew on Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:05 am

We just need to renounce and resign our own FA next year, need to retain our second unit (Hill, Johnson, Meeks, Blake, Young, Henry, Farmar), Lakers currently have one of the best bench unit in the NBA, forget about signing a max salary free agent aka Melo next year and concentrate on our FA in 2014 instead.

Hill + Johnson + Meeks + Blake + Young + Henry + Farmar > a max contract Melo
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby Magic Skywalker on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:22 am

Guy A before extension: Lakers will get *insert half of the NBA stars here* in 2014!
Same Guy A after extension: Oh well, LeBron was a pipe dream, and Melo will likely stay in NY. Better pay Kobe

Guy B before extension: Oh please! Stop dreaming, LeBron is a pipe dream and Melo will likely stay in NY. We're not getting a super team in 2014.
Same Guy B after extension: Well now... I suppose Kobe isn't about winning. Now the Lakers won't be able to get Melo or LeBron because of Kobe's extension.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:48 am

To me this isn't about Kobe at all. He signed the contract offered.

The issue is with the front office. It seems that they don't want to go over the cap again for a chance at a championship and that they want to just ride Kobe's cache' out for the next couple of years. That's the only conclusion to this that I can see. The front office doesn't offer this contract if THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THEM…. period.

This way they don't sign one MAX player in the offseason and then resign Kobe for 20+ and be in significant Tax paying area.

Remember that the Death Tax bill (State of CA and Federal Government) for the surviving Buss' is going to be around 350 million dollars and that's due on April 15th. No one has that kind of cash sitting around so they will most likely be leveraging the franchise to pay that bill.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:50 am

Magic Skywalker wrote:Guy A before extension: Lakers will get *insert half of the NBA stars here* in 2014!
Same Guy A after extension: Oh well, LeBron was a pipe dream, and Melo will likely stay in NY. Better pay Kobe

Guy B before extension: Oh please! Stop dreaming, LeBron is a pipe dream and Melo will likely stay in NY. We're not getting a super team in 2014.
Same Guy B after extension: Well now... I suppose Kobe isn't about winning. Now the Lakers won't be able to get Melo or LeBron because of Kobe's extension.



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Postby The Laker Link on Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:48 am

Magic Skywalker wrote:Guy A before extension: Lakers will get *insert half of the NBA stars here* in 2014!
Same Guy A after extension: Oh well, LeBron was a pipe dream, and Melo will likely stay in NY. Better pay Kobe

Guy B before extension: Oh please! Stop dreaming, LeBron is a pipe dream and Melo will likely stay in NY. We're not getting a super team in 2014.
Same Guy B after extension: Well now... I suppose Kobe isn't about winning. Now the Lakers won't be able to get Melo or LeBron because of Kobe's extension.


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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:50 pm

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Mitch Kupchak sees 2-3 FA in high demand - thinks Lakers will acquire one - but opens door to other moves with cap (trade, etc)
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:13 pm

Kobe's deal doesn't handcuff us. We can still get a max guy, and have $10-15 left for solid role players. This doesn't include the bird rights they have for Hill, Gasol, Blake, to retain those guys OVER the cap.

The other point to make -- who says the Lakers aren't after a younger, lesser earning max guy? I think this is proof we are not after Melo but possibly after a guy like Kyrie....who IIRC can't even earn more than 25% salary cap on his next contract. Laker fans bringing knee-jerk reactions without considering all the facts. Love is a bit pricier though, I'll agree with that. Getting him to LA is more of a challenge. But that's the beauty of this deal -- it's a message to other players. Take a little less now, work your a** of, win rings, and you'll get rewarded MORE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IS WILLING TO REWARD YOU.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:20 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Kobe's deal doesn't handcuff us. We can still get a max guy, and have $10-15 left for solid role players. This doesn't include the bird rights they have for Hill, Gasol, Blake, to retain those guys OVER the cap.


Hill, Gasol and Blake still have cap holds. We can't spend all our salary cap on free agents AND then sign our own.

Pau - 20 million cap hold, Hill - 6.7 million cap hold, Blake - 7.6 million cap hold

Need to address those guys first before even think about doing anything in FA.

The other point to make -- who says the Lakers aren't after a younger, lesser earning max guy? I think this is proof we are not after Melo but possibly after a guy like Kyrie....who IIRC can't even earn more than 25% salary cap on his next contract. Laker fans bringing knee-jerk reactions without considering all the facts. Love is a bit pricier though, I'll agree with that. Getting him to LA is more of a challenge. But that's the beauty of this deal -- it's a message to other players. Take a little less now, work your a** of, win rings, and you'll get rewarded MORE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IS WILLING TO REWARD YOU.


Kyrie is a RFA, we need a bomb shell of bad to go on in Cleveland for Kyrie to want out. Cleveland can match anything we have to offer otherwise.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:23 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Kobe's deal doesn't handcuff us. We can still get a max guy, and have $10-15 left for solid role players. This doesn't include the bird rights they have for Hill, Gasol, Blake, to retain those guys OVER the cap.

The other point to make -- who says the Lakers aren't after a younger, lesser earning max guy? I think this is proof we are not after Melo but possibly after a guy like Kyrie....who IIRC can't even earn more than 25% salary cap on his next contract. Laker fans bringing knee-jerk reactions without considering all the facts. Love is a bit pricier though, I'll agree with that. Getting him to LA is more of a challenge. But that's the beauty of this deal -- it's a message to other players. Take a little less now, work your a** of, win rings, and you'll get rewarded MORE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IS WILLING TO REWARD YOU.


Agreed with this...another thing about Melo; I don't think the Lakers brass is really high on Melo. He's a great scorer but has he done anything of significance in his entire NBA career for the Lakers to throw a Max contract at a guy that is pretty 1 dimensional? Well, I wouldn't mind Melo, he's not idea, IMO. Additionally, from what Stephen A reported on First Take, he's asked around the league and the consensus is from 'sources' he's talked to the Lakers aren't high on Melo.

I've said this repeatedly to myself and will stand by it; there is no other player in the league right now that I would desire more than Kevin Durant...that's it. I'd throw a Max contract at him and build around him, and IMO, with the right pieces could set you up for the next 5 years competing for rings.

Either way, I'm not mad at this deal, and I don't hone any ill will for this organization to reward arguably the greatest Laker of all-time. Going forward, there will be challenges, but I don't doubt Mitch at all...
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby jlkr on Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:24 am

Rooscooter wrote:To me this isn't about Kobe at all. He signed the contract offered.

The issue is with the front office. It seems that they don't want to go over the cap again for a chance at a championship and that they want to just ride Kobe's cache' out for the next couple of years. That's the only conclusion to this that I can see. The front office doesn't offer this contract if THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THEM…. period.

This way they don't sign one MAX player in the offseason and then resign Kobe for 20+ and be in significant Tax paying area.

Remember that the Death Tax bill (State of CA and Federal Government) for the surviving Buss' is going to be around 350 million dollars and that's due on April 15th. No one has that kind of cash sitting around so they will most likely be leveraging the franchise to pay that bill.

The Buss family should already have most of those funds lined up; this upcoming bill was why the Jerry Buss sold 25% of the team to Philip Anschutz a few years back. We don't know what Anschutz paid, but we can be pretty sure there was a good chunk of change involved. Plus don't forget the TWC deal, they can easily borrow against the revenues from that. Hence I don't see a cash flow issue from this, but I can see a valid reason for the team to remain at the cap for the next few seasons due to the borrowing. So business decision to lock Kobe up, he puts butts into seats, they market the farewell tour and milk it for all it's worth. I've come to the conclusion this was an excellent business deal for the team.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby khmrP on Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:45 am

money is well deserved...timing is horrible.
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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby adamkingadam on Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:04 pm

Who knows,its possible this has not leaked out yet and maybe the 2nd year is a player and or/team option THAT can be renegoitated by not being picked up, leaving them with an option of having cap room in the 2015-2016 Free Agency while still able to re-sign Kobe.
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Postby Barnstable on Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:20 pm

adamkingadam wrote:Who knows,its possible this has not leaked out yet and maybe the 2nd year is a player and or/team option THAT can be renegoitated by not being picked up, leaving them with an option of having cap room in the 2015-2016 Free Agency while still able to re-sign Kobe.

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Re: What does the Kobe Bryant contract mean to the Lakers roster

Postby jlkr on Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:59 pm

Barnstable wrote:
adamkingadam wrote:Who knows,its possible this has not leaked out yet and maybe the 2nd year is a player and or/team option THAT can be renegoitated by not being picked up, leaving them with an option of having cap room in the 2015-2016 Free Agency while still able to re-sign Kobe.

Good point

We'll know soon enough about that. Believe all contract dollars and opt-in/opt-out clauses are made public once they're vetted by the NBA office. They won't be able to keep it quiet if such a clause exists.
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