What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:24 pm

I think Bird has already planned for George ext, Granger is either getting traded or not gona be resigned...Indy wont be in the luxury tax when George ext. kicks in.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:17 pm

I think that's what Indiana would like to do, is unload Granger or someone to make room to max George.. Or just keep Granger & let him expire.. But you don't want to dump a guy like Granger or let him expire to avoid the tax.. What player that wants to win a championship is going to be OK with their team doing that? If George tells them he wants out & they shouldn't match his offer, I think they could be forced to just bring Granger back & let George go.. Granger is going to be cheaper & you don't want to cut talent off your team to keep a guy that doesn't want to be there, he'll just end up leaving later. Since we don't really have the same tax worries as the Pacers, the closest I can get to a Lakers analogy is that dumping Granger to keep George would be in some ways like if we would have dumped Pau to try to convince Dwight to stay.. It might have kept him here longer, but he would have eventually left.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:44 pm

George is young and naive enough to think his team is poised for contention. He'll take the extension.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:27 pm

Long-term future for George in Indy?
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Don't expect rising swingman Paul George to suit up for any team other than Indiana in the years head. There's news on that today.

No big surprise here, but Scott Agness of Pacers.com reports this afternoon that if George ends up testing the free agent market next summer as a restricted free agent, Larry Bird says the Pacers will match any offer.

The No. 10 overall pick in 2010 out of Fresno State, George blossomed in his third season in the league and became a household name during Indiana's hard-fought playoff series with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. He averaged 19.4 points, 6.0 rebounds, 4.1 assists and shot 44.1 percent from 3-point range in that memorable 7-game series against the Heat.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:32 pm

^ /Paul George Discussion.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby charvin on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:10 pm

No surprise on Indy willing to match any offer.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:38 am

This week, Dallas owner Mark Cuban, after spending the last couple seasons executing a strategy to make Dwight Howard a Maverick, said his franchise is actually better off without him. By not landing this summer’s big free agent prize, the logic goes, Dallas was instead able to sign a whole raft of dudes, including Jose Calderon, Monta Ellis, Samuel Dalmebert, and Devin Harris.
This, of course, is total horsepucky. No GM on the planet would trade that package of players for Howard. Like any guy who took a crack at the prom queen and failed, Cuban is saying whatever soothes his ego/fanbase.
And who can blame him for being sensitive? He wasn’t just jilted by Howard. After making the difficult (and correct) decision to not to lock into a roster fresh off a title in order to maintain the flexibility required to win another, Cuban made a push for Deron Williams. No go. He made a push for Howard. No go. He hoped Chris Paul might be an option, but that never got off the ground.
So instead, this year, says Cuban, becomes the first of a two-year plan to rebuild Dallas once again into a title team. The Mavs didn’t blow their future by signing Calderon and Ellis. They’ll likely have legitimate cap space after next season, and can take another crack at a much ballyhooed (though colossally overrated) group of free agents. If they don’t get what they want, Cuban will just add another year to his timeline.
But Lakers fans snarking at Cuban’s disappointment and pretzel logic might want to hold off, because there are too many similarities between the Mavs and Lakers to dismiss. The Lakers, like Dallas, have a still-excellent-but-aging star, an appealing market, and ownership willing to spend. They’ve also tried to rebuild without tearing things down to the studs, an extremely difficult needle to thread in the NBA. They are aiming for a free agency fueled rebuild, rather than building through the draft.
Want to argue that L.A. is a more appealing destination? Fine. In some ways it is. In others, not.
But in all ways, Cuban’s difficulty landing the big fish serves as a cautionary tale for the Lakers — owners of only two first round picks in the next four NBA Drafts — reinforcing the challenges inherent in constructing a squad using the open market as the primary roster-stocking tool.*
The free agent road is littered with potholes and best laid plans belly up in a ditch. Athletes change course. They play cities against each other. And just as importantly, while massive amounts of cap space creates great flexibility, it also isn’t conducive to telling a high profile free agent exactly what they’re getting into when signing on the dotted line. (Cue crotchety old man voice…) Stars these days want to know who their teammates will be.
Trust us, we’ll get you a supporting cast! isn’t exactly a great sales pitch.
The Lakers can have every intention of chasing LeBron James and/or Carmelo Anthony next summer — in other news, water is wet — but while they still have cache and appeal, the Lakers are not a magic cornfield in Iowa. Building it doesn’t guarantee free agents (whether literally James and Melo, or other coveted targets) will come.
There are other complications baked into the free agent rebuild. Because the young, super-appealing guys tend not to hit the market (those Paul George fantasies will only mock you) teams are generally left bidding on players like Anthony, more expensive and exiting their primes over the course of a four-year contract, a heck of a combo, or overpaying for potential restricted free agents (Eric Bledsoe, for example) by tossing out a big number their team won’t match.
So on one end, there are the perils of constantly chasing the elite free agents, as the Mavs have done with little success to this point. On the other, you have the Knicks, a franchise who put themselves in a box through high profile signings. Forever good enough to be interesting, not even close to good enough to win a title, left to pretend trading for Andrea Bargnani constitutes progress.
There plenty of other complicating factors, too. If they can’t get “the haul” (i.e. LeBron, and I am very skeptical) next summer, the Lakers will need to try again in 2015. How much does Kobe’s next contract eat into that space? How effective a recruiter will Bryant be? What other parts will be in place to entice another star? Who is coaching the team?
None of this is to say all is lost, that the Lakers are forever doomed. They’re not. They will win titles again. Maybe they get a little lucky, and next summer really becomes the bonanza many have talked about. But to to get a little Game of Thrones, here, winter is almost surely coming**. By local standards, at least. The Lakers can’t fight it. If the puzzle doesn’t fit properly the first time around — odds favor it — they’ll have to exercise some patience or risk consigning themselves to years of mediocrity, the most useless space a team can occupy.
*This is why I’ve advocated trading Pau Gasol for assets (picks, young parts) that might better work towards a rebuild. Speaking with a few league execs, the consensus is that the market for Gasol isn’t all that strong right now. Expensive player coming off surgery, etc. But if he plays well, it could definitely open up. Keep in mind, if a team picks Pau up halfway though the year, they’ll only owe half his salary, minus whatever is sent back to L.A.. Assuming a moment arrives where the Lakers can get some value for Gasol, they should.
**Of course, if I’m wrong and “winter” is code for LBJ, all of this becomes irrelevant. Should the Lakers actually ink James, attracting the rest of the team won’t be a problem. But like I said, for all sorts of reasons, I don’t see it happening.


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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:13 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Long-term future for George in Indy?
July, 18, 2013
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By Joe Kaiser | ESPN.com
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Don't expect rising swingman Paul George to suit up for any team other than Indiana in the years head. There's news on that today.

No big surprise here, but Scott Agness of Pacers.com reports this afternoon that if George ends up testing the free agent market next summer as a restricted free agent, Larry Bird says the Pacers will match any offer.

The No. 10 overall pick in 2010 out of Fresno State, George blossomed in his third season in the league and became a household name during Indiana's hard-fought playoff series with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. He averaged 19.4 points, 6.0 rebounds, 4.1 assists and shot 44.1 percent from 3-point range in that memorable 7-game series against the Heat.
Of course they would match any offer.. But if PG lets them know he wants to be a Laker, that changes things.. If George wants to put the ball in his hands, all he has to do is turn down extension talks & play out his QO next season. If he makes every move to let them know he'll walk at an unrestricted free agent, I think they'll let him go. As it stands, they have to let Granger expire & hope Stephenson accepts an offer far below his value to avoid the tax. They aren't going to let 2 good players go to keep a player that is going to walk in 2 years.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby charvin on Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:08 pm

As it stands, Indy seems to be doing alright without Granger so I have a feeling they won't re-sign him to a big contract. TRD pointed out in another thread that it hurt Indy (much like Gay & Memphis) with Granger not able to play in the playoffs because they needed the scoring, but in the regular season they did well.

What player has actually refused and turned down a max contract and made it known that he will only play for a certain team in the past 10 to 15 years? You've mostly been reiterating yourself saying the same thing over and over such as "if Paul George makes it clear he wants to be a Laker, then Indy will let him go" for anything PG related with the Lakers. My opinion, please stop, it's really getting annoying and this would set off a [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] again of how the players are dictating where they want to play. This is not a common occurrence and thank goodness for that, can you imagine all the small NBA team owners complaining about getting jilted and having complete [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] rosters filled with D-league players and bench players because the good players want to play somewhere else?
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby slimjim on Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:34 pm

Realistically.

Melo signs with LAL in the 20 mil range.
Gasol + Bryant sign 1 year deals in the 10 mil range

Fielding a trio of kobe+gasol+melo for the 2014-15 season.

in 2015 summer... Kevin love comes home.

Pipe dream, LBJ
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby Mookie on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:02 am

slimjim wrote:Realistically.

Melo signs with LAL in the 20 mil range.
Gasol + Bryant sign 1 year deals in the 10 mil range

Fielding a trio of kobe+gasol+melo for the 2014-15 season.

in 2015 summer... Kevin love comes home.

Pipe dream, LBJ

I like that plan, but by the time Love comes to LAL, we will be talentless or old. So better also take risks on the young stars.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:24 pm

slimjim wrote:Realistically.

Melo signs with LAL in the 20 mil range.
Gasol + Bryant sign 1 year deals in the 10 mil range

Fielding a trio of kobe+gasol+melo for the 2014-15 season.

in 2015 summer... Kevin love comes home.

Pipe dream, LBJ


I can actually see the Melo and Pau parts coming true. Kobe isn't signing for 10M.... He will sign for what ever Melo signs for IMO. If he's even 80% of the player he was last year he's worth more than Melo......

I don't think the team would be any better off.... and most likely not as good. Melo isn't a guy that can co-exist with Kobe. Both need to shoot 20 times a game to have any rhythm....

Love coming here is about as much pipe as LeBron IMO.

I think there will be an attempt to get a star of some sort and Melo may be the only one available... I still think the "chatter" around him coming here is to extort a Max Deal from NY but if he does that will be about all we can do to really improve our team.

Our problem is that we need 9 to 11 players over the next 2 seasons that have to be real NBA quality players. Our current squad has maybe 2 of them that will be here in 2015..... and both of them will be in their late 30's at that time. I just don't see us being able to find that many real players in that time frame with the money we have and the new CBA.

...... and no.... I don't think Young, Meeks and Johnson fit that description. Hill and maybe Farmar can be rotational players on a real championship squad but the rest are not players that will play any significant minutes on a team that's really in the hunt IMO.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:12 pm

We sign 1 or more(HIGHLY UNLIKELY) of Lebron, Melo, Bosh (Pass if we can get Dirk for cheap), or Cousins.. & I think we convince Dirk to join Kobe. Cousins would likely end up a sign & trade on or after draft day .. Cap space + our pick & maybe Hill or something. But if anyone thinks this guy can't force his way out of Sac as a RFA, they're crazy.. & so is he, that's exactly why it's possible. We bring back Kobe & Pau after we figure out the best way to use our remaining cap space & exceptions to give us the best chance to win now..

I think if we get Lebron or Melo, we try to fill out the front court by getting Dirk to ringchase.. Joining up with Kobe, Lebron or Melo, Pau & possibly Nash would have to be tempting.. I REALLY think Dirk would leave Dallas to join up with Kobe if Cuban can't get a real star to join up with Dirk in Dallas again.. He wants to do anything to win including taking a paycut or leaving, but I think Kobe is the most likely star for him to pair up with.. I can't see him joining the Heat after they snubbed him for Bosh, or the Spurs or Rockets with the Texas teams rivalries.. If we put another superstar next to Kobe I think we're the #1 destination for Dirk.

If we don't get any of the wings & instead end up with Cousins or Bosh (I'd pass on Bosh if we're able to recruit Dirk for cheap with Cousins joining us), then I think you have to go after 1 of the SF's a tier or 2 below Lebron & Melo.. Deng, Granger, etc.. If we miss out on or can't afford those guys, I think we'll try to get Ariza back & maybe Ron too..

I guess alot of this depends on health.. Not only do we need Kobe to return & still be Kobe, we need to know if Nash is going to be able to keep playing.. If he declines a lot more or is done we might need to make Ariza the #1 plan at SF if we can't get Lebron & spend the bulk of our cap space on a Cousins & a PG.. BUT.. I really think Jordan Farmar is going to play great under D'antoni.. Anyone that was watching during his tenure here & then saw him play for the Nets has to be well aware that the triangle was TERRIBLE for Jordan.. Playing under a PG coach like D'antoni is going to be great for him in my opinion.. Blake had his best season as a Laker under D'antoni, even Duhon had some 10 assist games last season.. I'm not sure if he had an impact on Kobe's Magic Johnson impression last season but I wouldn't doubt it.. Say what you want about the man but he is a GREAT PG coach.. I think he can make Farmar better than any PG we had last season & get enough out of Nash & cheap bench player to keep us good at PG, but if Nash is done I'd love to see what he can do if we go out & get a guy like Vasquez. I like Avery Bradley a lot but I don't like him for his offensive potential & don't know if D'antoni could do much for him. I'd like to see Lowry under D'antoni, if we can get him for a reasonable price it might be worth taking Deng/Granger/Ariza at a discount instead of Melo.

Wouldn't be a post from me without a pipe dream roster:

Cousins Max 13M I believe.
Kobe 11M
Lowry 6M
Pau 6M
Ariza 5M
Dirk 5M
Hill 4M

Rough numbers obviously but that's 50M so we still have room to spare + full MLE if we want it, so we can still:

Bring back Farmar, Young, Johnson if they look good, maybe even Kaman but doubt it if we have all those guys in the frontcourt.. If these guys bolt we fill out the bench with minimum guys. We don't know if Kelly will be guaranteed for next season yet, Harris & Sacre have small guarantees & could be kept or cut if we really need the space. Nash is stretched regardless & retires if he's done.

Lowry/Farmar/Nash?
Kobe/Young/minimum
Ariza/Johnson/Artest
Dirk/Hill/Harris?
Cousins/Pau/Sacre?

While I'm dreaming.. Kobe plays 5 more seasons, gets 4 rings with this core. Pau & Dirk retire after the first ring & we replace them with Love.

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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:18 pm

Most guys are restricted or have team options. Lakers won't get much next year. hopefully in 2015 they can get aldridge. Aldridge>love
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby bigdog2013 on Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:01 pm

I would love to get paul george in 2014 and kevin love in 2015 and irving in 2016. Mike brown is going to drive irving to leave with mike brown being a micro manager.
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Re: What's likely to happen in Summer of 2014

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:48 pm

I'd say best case scenario, realistically, Melo signs with LA and Kobe and Pau return for less money. Then some of the young guys like Wes Farmar and Young return too. Couple vet mins on some bigs. LBJ aint happening. Paul George isnt going anywhere either.

Melo is prob our best case free agent. If we dont get him we prob wont get any superstars. Kevin Love would also be someone we could get in the next 2 years. but outside Melo and Love i dont really see any huge names.

IMO in the eyes of many players, the Lakers franchise doesnt have the same appeal that it used to a few years ago with Jerry Buss. pretty much only those from LA area or went to school in LA understand wanting to play for the Lakers bc its a dream of theirs. everyone else sees them now as just another big market team.
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