What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

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Postby LakerFan1235 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:32 am

bynum was totally honest, he said nothing that bothered me.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby kenzo on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:59 am

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Maluco Beleza wrote:yea i was being sarcastic :man10:


It wasn't a very good attempt at being sarcastic. Cuz I along with others here thought you were serious.

I think he's still undecided :man9:
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby King of Clutch on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:54 am

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432J wrote::bspn: at its finest!

but seriously, how is this "blasting kobe and the lakers?" he's right, howard is getting less touches than he did in orlando because he's playing alongside guys like kobe and pau. no blasting here


D12 has spoken to the media that we need to share the ball. Actually it's the word to Kobe.

Ok lets dissect dwights numbers a little bit. Since people love "fga" when talking about dwights touches, even though its the most idiotic thing I keep hearing, i'll play along to make a point.

In 2012, This year dwight howard is averaging 11.2 fga per game. Last 2 years he averaged 13.4. Three years ago, he averaged 10.2fga per game. Now that year is very important to what i'm trying to say. Think back to 2009. What happened that year for dwight howard? Well he beat boston and cleveland and got to the nba finals before losing to kobe and the lakers. That was arguably dwights most successful season. Now lets take a closer look at the talent on that team. You had hedo turkoglu playing point forward, and being the guy who controlled the offense. You had rashard lewis how stretched the floor and got his post touches as well. And you had key role players surrounding those three. That was his most talented team in orlando.

Now turk was no kobe bryant, and rashard lewis was no pau gasol. You would think that him coming here would at the most, put him around the same shots per game that he had during that year, since he's playing with MUCH MORE offensively gifted players than he played with before. But oh no? Thats not the case? Well then I guess he should be happy then.

Now I think people are trying to turn dwight into other dominant centers, when he just isn't that type of player. He's not one who should, or could, average 15-16 shots per game. That just statistically IMPOSSIBLE because 1. He gets fouled way too much before he could reach his 15fga, 2. He's the type of player that waits for double teams and passes out to perimeter players way too often, and 3. He's just not good enough offensively to deserve the required amount of touches to get to 13-15 fga, because it will EASILY take more than 20 or 25 feeds to get those 15fga on a good night, due to the reasons I mentioned. He couldn't even crack 14 fga playing with scrubs, you expect he could eve get close here? Most of the time either a pass out from a double team or semi double team, a turnover, or a foul will happen before he actually gets that "fga". Thats about a 1 in 4 ratio or 25% of him actually getting a "fga" on the stat sheet for every possession he takes.

Lastly he's playing alongside kobe bryant, one of the greatest scorers in nba history. And dwight probably isn't even in the top two in offensive talents in his own position (bynum and brook). Not to even mention steve nash and pau gasol. 11.3 fga is more than enough for him. Now I say this under the understanding that everyone here now knows fga =/= touches. He has no reason to complain. The offense ran THROUGH him this game for the most part. But like I said, it won't show under his fga because that only makes up about 25% of what happens when he's fed the ball. Open 3s is an example of other great things that happens when he's fed. Dwight dominates the game more profoundly in ways that has nothing to do with scoring. I wish people would get over the whole "fga" mumbo jumbo.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:39 am

Lol ESPN loves putting drama aroun the Lakers and Kobe's name, they have a whole little segment at the bottom titled "Kobe to blame". It's been 17 seasons and I still feel like the media loves to clout the Lakers and Kobe's success. So biased it's annoying, and people buy into it like zombies.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:30 am

odom1year wrote:
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odom1year wrote:How come everyone blames Bynum's comment ? It's completely the truth. It's fact that Kobe is a ballhog. Our big guys barely can touch the ball, especially in 4th quarter. D12 must have the same feeling. It's sad that the best two big men in the league are only having 10 shots per game. Everyone here only blames them not playing good in defense and bad FT shooting.


Bad FT shooting matters though.


9/29 FG doesn't matter ?

Kobe took 29 FGs in the fourth? :man4:
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:16 am

I don't understand what the hoopla is about. This will be an adjustment for Howard. I mean, what's Bynum supposed to say, that D12 should learn how to adjust to getting MORE shots playing along side Kobe?

Dwight hasn't played with a teammate who has taken more than 14 shots per game. Ever. Until now. So it is an adjustment for him, and one I expect him to make.
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Postby cthroatgtr on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:22 am

Bynum being Bynum...can't say I miss him
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Showtime.Revival.05 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 am

bynum wasn't blasting kobe at all. kobe even responded to the comment saying basically yeah he's right if you play with me there's gonna be a tradeoff and you won't get as many touches
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:46 am

JGC wrote:I don't understand what the hoopla is about. This will be an adjustment for Howard. I mean, what's Bynum supposed to say, that D12 should learn how to adjust to getting MORE shots playing along side Kobe?

Dwight hasn't played with a teammate who has taken more than 14 shots per game. Ever. Until now. So it is an adjustment for him, and one I expect him to make.


2007-2008, hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis both averaged more than 14 shots per game
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:12 am

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JGC wrote:I don't understand what the hoopla is about. This will be an adjustment for Howard. I mean, what's Bynum supposed to say, that D12 should learn how to adjust to getting MORE shots playing along side Kobe?

Dwight hasn't played with a teammate who has taken more than 14 shots per game. Ever. Until now. So it is an adjustment for him, and one I expect him to make.


2007-2008, hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis both averaged more than 14 shots per game


Yup.... this goes overlooked by a lot of people. Dwight was a part of those teams..... not a leader... at least not in the same way most teams are led by one person that gets the majority of the touches.

Howard is getting a few less shots per game than he got before but that's to be expected IMO due to the fact he is playing with a bunch of players that are used to being the focus of the offense in their past..... The hiring of MDA isn't going to help him get more touches either. If Pau is traded for a stretch 4 or a real SF we will see higher quality touches for Howard in all likely hood but I'm not sure there will be more in total.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:13 am

King of Clutch wrote:
odom1year wrote:
432J wrote::bspn: at its finest!

but seriously, how is this "blasting kobe and the lakers?" he's right, howard is getting less touches than he did in orlando because he's playing alongside guys like kobe and pau. no blasting here


D12 has spoken to the media that we need to share the ball. Actually it's the word to Kobe.

Ok lets dissect dwights numbers a little bit. Since people love "fga" when talking about dwights touches, even though its the most idiotic thing I keep hearing, i'll play along to make a point.

In 2012, This year dwight howard is averaging 11.2 fga per game. Last 2 years he averaged 13.4. Three years ago, he averaged 10.2fga per game. Now that year is very important to what i'm trying to say. Think back to 2009. What happened that year for dwight howard? Well he beat boston and cleveland and got to the nba finals before losing to kobe and the lakers. That was arguably dwights most successful season. Now lets take a closer look at the talent on that team. You had hedo turkoglu playing point forward, and being the guy who controlled the offense. You had rashard lewis how stretched the floor and got his post touches as well. And you had key role players surrounding those three. That was his most talented team in orlando.

Now turk was no kobe bryant, and rashard lewis was no pau gasol. You would think that him coming here would at the most, put him around the same shots per game that he had during that year, since he's playing with MUCH MORE offensively gifted players than he played with before. But oh no? Thats not the case? Well then I guess he should be happy then.

Now I think people are trying to turn dwight into other dominant centers, when he just isn't that type of player. He's not one who should, or could, average 15-16 shots per game. That just statistically IMPOSSIBLE because 1. He gets fouled way too much before he could reach his 15fga, 2. He's the type of player that waits for double teams and passes out to perimeter players way too often, and 3. He's just not good enough offensively to deserve the required amount of touches to get to 13-15 fga, because it will EASILY take more than 20 or 25 feeds to get those 15fga on a good night, due to the reasons I mentioned. He couldn't even crack 14 fga playing with scrubs, you expect he could eve get close here? Most of the time either a pass out from a double team or semi double team, a turnover, or a foul will happen before he actually gets that "fga". Thats about a 1 in 4 ratio or 25% of him actually getting a "fga" on the stat sheet for every possession he takes.

Lastly he's playing alongside kobe bryant, one of the greatest scorers in nba history. And dwight probably isn't even in the top two in offensive talents in his own position (bynum and brook). Not to even mention steve nash and pau gasol. 11.3 fga is more than enough for him. Now I say this under the understanding that everyone here now knows fga =/= touches. He has no reason to complain. The offense ran THROUGH him this game for the most part. But like I said, it won't show under his fga because that only makes up about 25% of what happens when he's fed the ball. Open 3s is an example of other great things that happens when he's fed. Dwight dominates the game more profoundly in ways that has nothing to do with scoring. I wish people would get over the whole "fga" mumbo jumbo.

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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Psychobroker on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:48 am

BRAVEXXXXXX wrote:I think he should shut his mouth though, he has no right to open his mouth considering he did not contribute to any of the 2 Laker championships.

he's a clown.


Yes he's being an arse and should be blasted for it, but it's disingenuous of you to say he did not contribute to the last two 'chips.

EDIT: Now that I see much of this is ESPN spinning his comments, I rescind my comment that he was being an arse. I don't have a problem with what he said.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:12 am

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BRAVEXXXXXX wrote:I think he should shut his mouth though, he has no right to open his mouth considering he did not contribute to any of the 2 Laker championships.

he's a clown.


Yes he's being an arse and should be blasted for it, but it's disingenuous of you to say he did not contribute to the last two 'chips.


Agreed with that.

Playing on one wheel and giving as much as he could so that Pau/LO didn't have to play 40+ every game. And when he wasn't in the game, he wasn't sulking, he was up on the bench cheering. He gave it his all physically and emotionally for those two runs.....

To say he didn't contribute anything is just wrong, very wrong.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:37 pm

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JGC wrote:I don't understand what the hoopla is about. This will be an adjustment for Howard. I mean, what's Bynum supposed to say, that D12 should learn how to adjust to getting MORE shots playing along side Kobe?

Dwight hasn't played with a teammate who has taken more than 14 shots per game. Ever. Until now. So it is an adjustment for him, and one I expect him to make.


2007-2008, hedo turkoglu and rashard lewis both averaged more than 14 shots per game


Well, you're wrong and you're right. Rashard took 14 shots per game, so you're wrong there.

But Turkoglu took 14.9 shots per game that year.

Even still, ok, Dwight hasn't played with a teammate who has taken 15 shots or more per game. Ever. Until now. So it is an adjustment for him, and one I expect him to make.
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:49 pm

How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


No idea. That's why I used 14 shots per game originally.
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:24 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


No idea. That's why I used 14 shots per game originally.


14.9 shots = 15 shots in my book.
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:25 pm

Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


:man10:

I don't know but I'm sure someone will accuse Kobe of trying........
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby magic2kb8 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:32 pm

Psychobroker wrote:
BRAVEXXXXXX wrote:I think he should shut his mouth though, he has no right to open his mouth considering he did not contribute to any of the 2 Laker championships.

he's a clown.


Yes he's being an arse and should be blasted for it, but it's disingenuous of you to say he did not contribute to the last two 'chips.


Are you kidding me. We have 3 championships if bynum was there all 3 title runs. We lost to Boston because he was not there. Not only that Bynum played dwight fairly well in the finals. You are seriously discrediting Bynums role.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:51 pm

Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


its because Hedo uses the Metric system
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Postby retro_nights on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:02 pm

very easy to see who are homers are who aren't in this post :man9: (directed at no one)

i dont really see anything wrong with what bynum said, do disagree with him being the #1 center, but when he was with us, alot of us thought so too.

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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:03 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


No idea. That's why I used 14 shots per game originally.


14.9 shots = 15 shots in my book.


Would you round down from 14.8? Or round up?

What about 14.7?
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

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JGC wrote:
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JGC wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:How are you supposed to take .9 shots a game?


No idea. That's why I used 14 shots per game originally.


14.9 shots = 15 shots in my book.


Would you round down from 14.8? Or round up?

What about 14.7?


You can't take a fraction of a shot. You either shot it or you didn't. Anything >.5 is rounded up and anything <.5 is rounded down.
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Re: What a surprise! : Bynum blasts Lakers/Kobe

Postby Alcindor on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:55 pm

The problem with Bynum saying he can see how his growth has been stunted is that he's never played without Kobe to speak from the benefit of experience.

The statement may even end up being true, granted he'd get more shots on a team sans Kobe but to say it without playing a game without him other than the rare times Kobe was injured, comes across as a jab.

Personally I think that if Drew had got all that extra attention his knees would have failed him harder and more often. For all he knows at this point, Kobe preserved him. At least, that's another way to look at it without the benefit of actual experience of playing without Kobe.
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