What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby The Rock on Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:54 pm

If you've looked at the history of the Lakers we've always had an All star big man in title teams...Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Pau. Who can we realistically get to fill in at the Center position if we're building a title team? Or can we get away with the current mid 30s version of Pau while hes being surrounded with a whole bunch of explosive scorers in the perimeter like Miami has done the last 2 years? Seeing the report out today that both Melo + Lebron are available, Id try to get only one of those (preferably Lebron of course but Melo more realistic to get) and pair him up with a big man who can at least play D

Gortat in 2014 can be a cheap get but do you consider him a championship center? He doesnt suck on offense but hes not great either. Hes above average on defense but not elite. Can we win a title with him at C with lets say Melo/Kobe/Lowry/Nash in the perimeter? Im gonna say yes I think the League is moving away from a big time scoring Center mold to a Defense 1st Center who doesnt suck on offense and in free throws. We should target someone in that mold who puts D 1st...Chandler, Noah, Asik...someone with that mentality

What other big men should we target that is realistically gettable?
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:42 pm

The next great one.

The league is dominated now by wing players, but I don't think that's because the league has changed. I think it's because there's no Shaq and there's no Kareem and there's no Wilt.

If there was, no one would be talking about a guard dominated league.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:28 am

Defensive center who is laterally quick enough to can guard the PNR , contest shots at the rim and rebound and isn't a completely liability on O ... Noah type of player .

I doubt we are going to see a traditional post up big soon who can offensively dominate with the way fundamentals have been disregarded for a while in US B-Ball
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby BadCoaching on Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:39 am

We can win with Pau in my opinion. We need to spread the floor with some decent outside shooters who can, in return, play perimeter defense on the other end of the floor. A bench that can get out and run and penetrate wouldn't be so bad either. Just Farmar/Ariza or Shannon alone gave other teams fits because they got out an ran the few minutes they got a game. Lakers are old and predictable with no defense, poor outside shooting and no ability to drive the hoop. I'm surprised they did as well as they have the last few seasons. Lamar and Kobe were our only starters who could really drive at all.. now ones gone and the other is ancient and finally fighting true injuries.

I'd stick with Pau and continue to light fires under his spanish [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] and focus on the real weaknesses this team has.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:03 am

It's a longshot, but Aldridge could be a possibility.

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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby trodgers on Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:23 am

Noah would be a pretty awesome fit for our group, would basically be a better version of Gasol.

I'm still somewhat hopeful that Bynum would return and dominate here, but that could be nostalgia talking.

Some interesting names: Okafor, Gortat, and...Cousins.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:21 am

A good one.....

Which in today's game are few and far between. Only a couple "back to the basket" guys with any talent in the game and we've had one of them.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the fundamental levels of the game have degraded to the point where true big men are less and less important. Wings and team speed are the norm these days. Balance that out with bigs that don't get in the way offensively, rebound and want to play defense.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:12 am

It would be great if Marc is looking to come here. In my eyes, he is probably the most balanced big man in the game.

Young, post game, DPOY. I mean, we did draft him.

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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Pig Miller on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:20 am

the big man is still an important part of the game, even as the game moves towards face ups and more guard play.

with more guys attacking the rim, a big who is able to protect the rim and rebound is more and more important. miami probably doesn't win a 2nd title if hibbert and duncan are in games 1 and 6 of those series.

offensively, big men are rarely the 1st option anymore, often times not even an option.

for a PF, nowadays, it's gotta be a guy who can hit the 17 footer, and run the floor. karl malone would have been even more effective in today's game.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Ludachris on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:29 am

revgen wrote:It's a longshot, but Aldridge could be a possibility.

nba-discussion/aldridge-wants-out-portland-t138407.html

Was just going to mention that report... I know it's not realistic since we don't have anything they'll want outside of some expiring contracts but these are the types of opportunities that will come up in the next year or two. Who knows, maybe we'll have a shot at the trade deadline in 2014, but I don't know if we'll be able to trade players we just signed the summer before.

In my opinion, I would rather they go after a talented PF and just find a decent Center instead, maybe hold on to a declining Pau for a little while. As Rooscooter said, athletic wings and perimeter talent is where the focus is now. A solid big man is needed, but not as the center piece like before, or at least it seems that way.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:35 am

I think we're going to land atleast 1 of the star SF's that will be available next offseason, & likely bring Pau back.. Also think Dirk might righchase here.. So the young big for the future that I would target would be a strong defensive player & rebounder above all.. Ideally they would be able to guard both PF & C's, so that they could work at either spot with Dirk or Pau. Using that max money on the perimeter means we have to target a big or bigs that won't get max money, which is fine, because unless you're an offensive threat like Hibbert, being a defensive anchor doesn't automatically equal a max contract like it did at 1 point. Noone is going to use max money on a Tyson Chandler type with the current CBA.. With all that said, I think Larry Sanders should be our #1 target.. Elite defender & shotblocker.. Still young.. Does his job on defense regardless of how many touches he gets.. Can guard both quicker PF's & bigger C's.. Would be perfect in the type of team we seem to be trying to build next summer.. He'll probably get a deal starting in the 5-8M range. We'll have a Heat style big 3 with Kobe/Melo/Dirk or Pau, along with the elite defensive big they still haven't found.. Chris Anderson looked like the DPOY in short stints with that team, I think a guy like Sanders would be the perfect compliment to our future big 3.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby 432J on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:40 am

one that actually cares about winning instead of having fun

shaq was all about having fun but once he stepped on the court, he was all business. not so much for dwight
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Ludachris on Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:56 am

The Rock wrote:If you've looked at the history of the Lakers we've always had an All star big man in title teams...Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Pau. Who can we realistically get to fill in at the Center position if we're building a title team? Or can we get away with the current mid 30s version of Pau while hes being surrounded with a whole bunch of explosive scorers in the perimeter like Miami has done the last 2 years? Seeing the report out today that both Melo + Lebron are available, Id try to get only one of those (preferably Lebron of course but Melo more realistic to get) and pair him up with a big man who can at least play D

Gortat in 2014 can be a cheap get but do you consider him a championship center? He doesnt suck on offense but hes not great either. Hes above average on defense but not elite. Can we win a title with him at C with lets say Melo/Kobe/Lowry/Nash in the perimeter? Im gonna say yes I think the League is moving away from a big time scoring Center mold to a Defense 1st Center who doesnt suck on offense and in free throws. We should target someone in that mold who puts D 1st...Chandler, Noah, Asik...someone with that mentality

What other big men should we target that is realistically gettable?

Look at Dallas when they had Tyson Chandler - I don't see him as a championship Center but it worked. Same goes for Miami using Bosh as their starting Center, when he's more of a PF. Or Perkins when he was with the Celtics. These are not elite big men, but they're solid players who contribute in ways the team needs, like defense, rebounding, or in Bosh's case, scoring. I don't think we need an elite big man, just one that is good enough. If there were a Shaq dominating the league, that would be one thing, but there isn't these days. Bynum had the potential to be that guy but he's likely going to have a short career with his knees.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby jellyroll49 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:08 am

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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:29 am

Rooscooter wrote:A good one.....

Which in today's game are few and far between. Only a couple "back to the basket" guys with any talent in the game and we've had one of them.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the fundamental levels of the game have degraded to the point where true big men are less and less important. Wings and team speed are the norm these days. Balance that out with bigs that don't get in the way offensively, rebound and want to play defense.


You hit the nail on the head. Our next big man is going to have to come through our draft position next year; we're going to have find a "big" who does those things you suggested; i.e. defend, rebound, not be a liability on offense.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:37 am

^The first link didn't work. Interesting. There is at least 4 other PF's/Centers I was looking at in this draft that have the potential to be good players...if there is an opportunity to get your center of the future, this draft is it, IMO...
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:42 am

Jahlil is only a High School Junior right now, going to be a Senior. He's not going to be in the 2014 draft.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby JSM on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:43 am

^ Fixed the link. Supposed to be the top pick in 2015.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:45 am

JSM wrote:^ Fixed the link. Supposed to be the top pick in 2015.


We don't have a 2015 First Rounder, unless it's Top 5. So we are going to have to suck and then get lucky.
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:33 am

Doc Brown wrote:So we are going to have to suck and then get lucky.


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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby The Rock on Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:00 pm

Aldridge is obviously is the best out of the group but I wonder if POR would trade him here they really really hate us. Well I never thought Nash would get traded here so you never know in today's NBA

Horford is intriguing, he doesn't have the length but he can cover a lot of group, not a bad offensive player either
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby jlkr on Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:12 am

The reality is that unless Lebron is on your team, you need a rim protector. The rim protector role is far more important than any offense he can give. That was D12's true value once he embraced it. OK, he's gone... closest we have to a rim protector type is Hill.

That will likely be the Lakers' downfall this coming season: the offense will be fine if Nash, Kobe, Pau and Hill stay healthy and get good support from Blake and the new guys, but the defense is going to suck bad. Anyway, Lakers have two roster slots left: I think at least one goes to another swingman, if they don't sign another one soon, then watch their fall camp invitees list. Then one to another big man: some like Martin, some like LO, some pray for what we're not getting (Horford, Aldridge).
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Re: What type of big man should Lakers target for the future?

Postby LakerJack on Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:39 am

The best big man in the game next year could be in Sactown, DeMarcus Cousins, and could be a free agent next year. How about Kobe, Melo, and Cousins as the next big 3.
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