who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby lakersStan24 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:39 pm

with all those players on the floor at once some one will have to scacriface their stats for the Lakers to Win I Belive it to be Pau with Him likely being the 4th option out of the Big 4.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:43 pm

All of them.

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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby LakerFanIam on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:46 pm

Depends on how Pau plays off of Nash.... I actually think Kobe's ppg will go down a little & Pau's rebounds may go down a little too....
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:59 pm

The only stats any of them care about is the one in the W column.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:01 pm

Everyone in the big 4 will have to sacrifice, from Nash to Kobe to D12 to MWP......
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:10 pm

The loss column.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Weezy on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:22 pm

There's only one ball, 3 of our starters were franchise players last season, it likely all of them will sacrifice. Nash and Kobe will likely both see a little drop in ppg, Kobe might even drop down to 24 or so. The only one I can see having similar or better stats is Dwight, because Nash, Kobe, and Pau will be getting him a ton of easy buckets IMO, just look what they've done for Sacre as an example of that. Pau, scoring and rebounding numbers should both go down a bit, being the 4th option as you say and with Howard grabbing boards away from him, but no big deal, none of these guys will care as long as we win.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:50 pm

Depends how much we actually run the Princeton offense. Pau is our 1B in those sets. Or should be based on skillset. I'm hoping Kobe drops to about 25 PPG with a nice jump in FG%.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby shoe on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:59 pm

I think Pau drops the most, prolly to around 15ppg and 9rpg

Kobe around 25, 4 and 4
Howard 19 and 13
Nash 12 and 10
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Alcindor on Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:01 pm

No one.

Isn't winning a championship a pretty important statistic?
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Re: whose stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby gcclaker on Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:12 pm

The Fantasy League players who drafts one or two of them. Seriously...all four will have a drop.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby GoldHammish on Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Everyone in the big 4 will have to sacrifice, from Nash to Kobe to D12 to MWP......

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Re: whose stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:50 pm

gcclaker wrote:The Fantasy League players who drafts one or two of them. Seriously...all four will have a drop.



i'm telling everyone this in my league...im hoping Dwight falls to the 2nd round
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby karacha on Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:52 pm

I think they will all drop slightly.

Kobe does not have to score so much, his rebounds will probably stay the same as always, and his assists wil drop slightly because, well... we have Nash now, so he won't have to handle the ball so much.

Nash was never a big scorer, but he might score even less now. His assists should stay the same, because he'll be feeding Pau and Dwight.

Dwight's rebound rate is still going to be great, and his scoring will either drop very slightly or it might stay the same. I don't see his production dropping much at all, except at the beginning, because of his conditioning.

Pau will keep his assist numbers, his rebounds might drop very slightly, and who knows where his scoring is going to be. It might even stay the same, but I honestly have no idea.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby soondolee on Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:01 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:The loss column.


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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:45 pm

pau since hes already been on the decline. kobes still gonna shoot 20+ times a game.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby KB24 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:20 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:The loss column.

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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby bystander on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:50 am

Doc Brown wrote:Everyone in the big 4 will have to sacrifice, from Nash to Kobe to D12 to MWP......


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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 am

bystander wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Everyone in the big 4 will have to sacrifice, from Nash to Kobe to D12 to MWP......


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Figured I'd stir the pot a little bit.....

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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby JGC on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:11 pm

Weezy wrote:There's only one ball, 3 of our starters were franchise players last season, it likely all of them will sacrifice. Nash and Kobe will likely both see a little drop in ppg, Kobe might even drop down to 24 or so. The only one I can see having similar or better stats is Dwight, because Nash, Kobe, and Pau will be getting him a ton of easy buckets IMO, just look what they've done for Sacre as an example of that. Pau, scoring and rebounding numbers should both go down a bit, being the 4th option as you say and with Howard grabbing boards away from him, but no big deal, none of these guys will care as long as we win.


It's definitely possible that Dwight will see similar or better stats but in all likelihood, his PPG will go down very slightly. He's going from being the #1 option to being the #2 option, and I believe 14 FGA was the most number of shots any teammate of his has ever taken in a season, in his entire career.

But I'd expect him to get better looks than he has in the past with all that extra attention being paid to the other guys and so there is a good chance his FG% goes up slightly. 19 and 13 is about right for Dwight. I think it'll be tough for him to exceed his previous numbers just by the fact that between Pau, Nash and Kobe you're looking at a little over 50% of all team FGs right there most likely so that leaves about 35 or so for the D12 and the rest of the team (not counting FTA).
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:20 pm

First...... who cares?.... contrary to popular belief the NBA still is based on wins and losses and isn't a Fantasy League just yet.....

Second.... If Kobe is at 25+ points again we might be in trouble. Not that it's "sacrificing" but his scoring numbers were achieved through some inefficient play at times. We aren't going to get more possessions per game and we aren't going to get much more off the bench than last year but what we need to do to take the next step to dominate is become more balanced. Nash should actually score more in this offense, Kobe less with Pau and Howard more or less the same.

A perfect scenario would be Kobe at or near 20 a game with Nash and Pau at around 15, Howard around 17 to 18 and Jamison and MWP at or near 11. That would mean that we were playing diversified ball on offense and also it would mean that we would be difficult to stop.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby JGC on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:44 pm

Rooscooter wrote:First...... who cares?.... contrary to popular belief the NBA still is based on wins and losses and isn't a Fantasy League just yet.....

Second.... If Kobe is at 25+ points again we might be in trouble. Not that it's "sacrificing" but his scoring numbers were achieved through some inefficient play at times. We aren't going to get more possessions per game and we aren't going to get much more off the bench than last year but what we need to do to take the next step to dominate is become more balanced. Nash should actually score more in this offense, Kobe less with Pau and Howard more or less the same.

A perfect scenario would be Kobe at or near 20 a game with Nash and Pau at around 15, Howard around 17 to 18 and Jamison and MWP at or near 11. That would mean that we were playing diversified ball on offense and also it would mean that we would be difficult to stop.


Regarding Kobe, I'm not sure it is the PPG that is going to be the concern as it is the FGA. He could still easily average 25 PPG on 19 shots if he shoots at a higher efficiency (cut out the poor shots, get better looks thanks to D12 and Nash).

It's the shot attempts. Even if he is shooting efficiently, he can't be in the 23-25 FGA range. It's just too high and won't allow other members of the team to get in to a rhythm and get their own and contribute. Sure, there are going to be nights where Kobe is on fire and will probably take 25+ but the trend of going 3-4 straight games of 30+ FGA should never happen with these guys on the team and I'm confident it won't.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:08 pm

therealdeal wrote:All of them.

They all have to sacrifice to win a championship.
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:29 pm

JGC wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:First...... who cares?.... contrary to popular belief the NBA still is based on wins and losses and isn't a Fantasy League just yet.....

Second.... If Kobe is at 25+ points again we might be in trouble. Not that it's "sacrificing" but his scoring numbers were achieved through some inefficient play at times. We aren't going to get more possessions per game and we aren't going to get much more off the bench than last year but what we need to do to take the next step to dominate is become more balanced. Nash should actually score more in this offense, Kobe less with Pau and Howard more or less the same.

A perfect scenario would be Kobe at or near 20 a game with Nash and Pau at around 15, Howard around 17 to 18 and Jamison and MWP at or near 11. That would mean that we were playing diversified ball on offense and also it would mean that we would be difficult to stop.


Regarding Kobe, I'm not sure it is the PPG that is going to be the concern as it is the FGA. He could still easily average 25 PPG on 19 shots if he shoots at a higher efficiency (cut out the poor shots, get better looks thanks to D12 and Nash).

It's the shot attempts. Even if he is shooting efficiently, he can't be in the 23-25 FGA range. It's just too high and won't allow other members of the team to get in to a rhythm and get their own and contribute. Sure, there are going to be nights where Kobe is on fire and will probably take 25+ but the trend of going 3-4 straight games of 30+ FGA should never happen with these guys on the team and I'm confident it won't.


Yea... that is almost what I was alluding to. Kobe can still average 27 a game if he wants to..... no problem in fact. If he wants this team..... with absolutely no bench to win a championship we need balanced scoring and opportunities spread around a lot more than in recent years. Last year we tried to force Andrew touches at certain parts of the game and then would go away from him for a couple quarters and then come back.... that type of prescribed touches will need to stop if we are to genuinely become a balanced attack. Nash will have to spread it around and whomever takes his place for 18 minutes a game will have to as well. Just grooving Kobe didn't get us where we wanted to get last year.....

The first time I see the isolation or nothing approach down the stretch I'll be calling for Brown's head... if we can't figure out how to score other than a clear side for Kobe with this team someone needs to go.....
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Re: who's stats from the Big 4 will suffer the most?

Postby LUUUKE on Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:32 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:The only stats any of them care about is the one in the W column.


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