Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:35 pm

We've seen rumors of us being interested in LO, Byron Mullens, K-Mart, Shawne Williams.. With the exception of maybe LO, TT is a better player & fit than any of those guys.. Many people are down on him, he went from not living up to being the #4 pick to not living up to his big contract. Exactly the type of player we've gone after in the past(Wesley Johnson most recent example).. He's not a good player on offense, isn't a good rebounder, & lacks size.. But there are pros too.. He's only 26 years old, gives you around 1.5 blocks in only 20 MPG, he can still run the floor very well & would be a good fit with the D'antoni style roster we've put together. Anyone have any idea why we haven't went after this guy? I think he should be our top priority right now.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:36 pm

Because he sucks.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:40 pm

Because Williams and Odom are so far superior that it would just be stupid.....
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Weezy on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:05 pm

Because he sucks?

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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby TIME on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:05 pm

He is really not a D'Antoni type PF. He can't stretch the floor. Therefore, he is redundant since we already have Jordan Hill to do all TT does and more.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Congo Cash on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:17 pm

Because he is worse than Odom (who is also horribad), so what's the point...
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:47 pm

he's a bum. he had flashes of potential but he never delivered on it.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:53 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Because Williams and Odom are so far superior that it would just be stupid.....

With Kaman being a 20 MPG guy, Hill 16 MPG, Pau needing his minutes limited.. I think we could have room for both LO & TT..

I disagree completely on Williams, he isn't as good at anything as Thomas is at help defense. LO brings the rebounding, handles, passing ability, being able to start/run the break.. I can completely see why you go LO over TT.. But if we made LO an offer & he's just not getting back to us, we need to get a good alternative while there's still 1 left.

My argument for TT over LO is this: Pau & Kaman are terrible rim protectors.. It will be a nonstop layup drill with those guys at C. Hill helps compliment them some, but he isn't a great shot blocker, & does most of his work on the boards.. He's also only going to be out there for 16 MPG. You bring in TT, you bring in a guy that gives you 1.6 BPG in 21 minutes.. He's quicker & more athletic than LO at this stage in their careers, so while he doesn't fit offensively because he's a bad offensive player, he will help with our transition woes.

I don't want to argue TT over LO though. I think we need them both. Kaman & Hill a combined 36 MPG.. Pau needs to be limited to 30 at the max, 28 would be even better, but at 30, that still leaves 30 MPG available at PF/C.. I don't want to gamble on Sacre & Kelly with those minutes.. I'd much rather let LO & TT fight it out to see who gets them, & if they both play well, mix & match them depending on matchups.. If a team is getting to the rim at will, we bring in TT.. If we're struggling on the boards or the offense is breaking down, we bring in LO.. Etc..

I really think we're making a huge mistake if we don't sign TT or LO. & an even bigger 1 if we don't sign any bigs at all.. Maybe Shawne Williams ends up being good for us but he'd be 3rd on my list.

1A. TT
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:11 pm

lakersin4 wrote:We've seen rumors of us being interested in LO, Byron Mullens, K-Mart, Shawne Williams.. With the exception of maybe LO, TT is a better player & fit than any of those guys.. Many people are down on him, he went from not living up to being the #4 pick to not living up to his big contract. Exactly the type of player we've gone after in the past(Wesley Johnson most recent example).. He's not a good player on offense, isn't a good rebounder, & lacks size.. But there are pros too.. He's only 26 years old, gives you around 1.5 blocks in only 20 MPG, he can still run the floor very well & would be a good fit with the D'antoni style roster we've put together. Anyone have any idea why we haven't went after this guy? I think he should be our top priority right now.


Been asking myself the same question. A huge glaring weakness in this team is that we have no one to protect the rim. Pau, Kaman, Sacre and Hill? Give me a break. It's gonna be a freeway to the basket. Thomas gives you that. He's young and very athletic. I can't see how he is no more of a "bust" in his young career than Nick Young and Wes Johnson are. His only vice is a crazy wife, but that has nothing to do with on the court. We still can get a 3/4 combo forward too.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:10 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Because Williams and Odom are so far superior that it would just be stupid.....

With Kaman being a 20 MPG guy, Hill 16 MPG, Pau needing his minutes limited.. I think we could have room for both LO & TT..

I disagree completely on Williams, he isn't as good at anything as Thomas is at help defense. LO brings the rebounding, handles, passing ability, being able to start/run the break.. I can completely see why you go LO over TT.. But if we made LO an offer & he's just not getting back to us, we need to get a good alternative while there's still 1 left.

My argument for TT over LO is this: Pau & Kaman are terrible rim protectors.. It will be a nonstop layup drill with those guys at C. Hill helps compliment them some, but he isn't a great shot blocker, & does most of his work on the boards.. He's also only going to be out there for 16 MPG. You bring in TT, you bring in a guy that gives you 1.6 BPG in 21 minutes.. He's quicker & more athletic than LO at this stage in their careers, so while he doesn't fit offensively because he's a bad offensive player, he will help with our transition woes.

I don't want to argue TT over LO though. I think we need them both. Kaman & Hill a combined 36 MPG.. Pau needs to be limited to 30 at the max, 28 would be even better, but at 30, that still leaves 30 MPG available at PF/C.. I don't want to gamble on Sacre & Kelly with those minutes.. I'd much rather let LO & TT fight it out to see who gets them, & if they both play well, mix & match them depending on matchups.. If a team is getting to the rim at will, we bring in TT.. If we're struggling on the boards or the offense is breaking down, we bring in LO.. Etc..

I really think we're making a huge mistake if we don't sign TT or LO. & an even bigger 1 if we don't sign any bigs at all.. Maybe Shawne Williams ends up being good for us but he'd be 3rd on my list.

1A. TT
1B. LO
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:12 pm

He's got athletic ability and is a pretty good interior defender. On the break he can finish. Other than that he's not that good. Odom and Williams are worse.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby 432J on Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:16 pm

he's just not that good

VERY inconsistent thus far throughout his career
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:31 pm

We've spent vets minimum on Joe Smith, Theo Ratliffe and Troy Murphy in the past. Why not take flyer on Thomas? At least he's younger than 40 :man10:
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby 432J on Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:54 pm

CarolinaLakerFan wrote:We've spent vets minimum on Joe Smith, Theo Ratliffe and Troy Murphy in the past. Why not take flyer on Thomas? At least he's younger than 40 :man10:

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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:34 pm

Tyrus Thomas is a one trick pony...Shot blocks, that's it. He is below average in size, strength and skillset for the 4 or the 5. He can't shoot, can't pass, can't dribble, can't score, has almost no fundamentals and is a surprisingly poor rebounder for someone with his agility and length. Not to mention he is injury prone and has a poor attitude and work ethic.

He can block shots though...I'll give him that. Man can block some shots.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:13 pm

Maybe because he's honestly one of the worst players in the league. He's lazy, has regressed since entering the league, doesn't have any skill other than swatting shots, and he's somewhat of a knucklehead.

He's seriously really bad, he could hardly crack the rotation on the worst team in the league, a team which also happened to have the worst front court in the league.

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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby JSM on Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:37 pm

He's athletic. That's all he has going for him. If we are going for just an athletic big, I'd rather take Diogu, Warrick, or someone from summer league or who wasn't drafted who's hungry and trying to earn their spot in the league.

Granted the 06 draft sucked, but TT really became all hype and no results.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby noobiew on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:23 pm

If he willing to sign for a 1-year minimum deal then why not, he would be decent as a 3rd string insurance backup PF. But the problem is, would he willing to sign for a 1-year minimum deal ?
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:06 pm

Well he isn't a guard so why would the team consider him...I mean they have like 7 guards on the roster now...I guess Kobe is moving to PF.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:36 pm

noobiew wrote:If he willing to sign for a 1-year minimum deal then why not, he would be decent as a 3rd string insurance backup PF. But the problem is, would he willing to sign for a 1-year minimum deal ?


He wasn't good as a third stringer backing up scrubs like Byron Mullens, and Bismack, so what makes you think he would do well here? He's honestly not really even NBA material anymore, and if he wasn't a big he would be out of the league, which is looking more and more likely anyways. He's not serviceable by any means, and he never seemed like a good locker room guy.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:43 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:Tyrus Thomas is a one trick pony...Shot blocks, that's it. He is below average in size, strength and skillset for the 4 or the 5. He can't shoot, can't pass, can't dribble, can't score, has almost no fundamentals and is a surprisingly poor rebounder for someone with his agility and length. Not to mention he is injury prone and has a poor attitude and work ethic.

He can block shots though...I'll give him that. Man can block some shots.

You're right SB.. Outside of shotblocking & other athletic plays, he isn't really good at anything.. But his ability to block shots from the PF position is exactly what we need next to Pau & Kaman. He's also 26 years old. He hasn't shown a great work ethic so far but he still has time to improve in those areas if this ends up being the right situation for him. I'm looking at the other remaining FA's & now that Maxiell is gone, there really isn't anyone else left who can play next to Pau & Kaman at the PF spot & protect the rim for us. I understand that LO & maybe Shawne Williams are probably better overall players but I think we're going to be in serious trouble if we go into the season with nothing but the pitiful rim protectors we have now.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:51 pm

The bench has a lot of scorers. Needs a little defense. Especially gotta have another guy who can block shots. Kaman can't really do that.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:51 am

It's amazing how unrealistic folks are with what we have to spend. Does anyone realize what big men are left in free agency? If you can get a young defensive player like Thomas for the vet's minimum, you do that in a heartbeat.
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:02 am

Shotblocker! 'nuff said
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Re: Why aren't we going after Tyrus Thomas?

Postby Frank Dux on Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:59 am

I find it extremely amusing that people think he's a steal for the vet minimum. He's garbage at any price, and there's a reason why he's still available- He's not an NBA rotation player.
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