WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:38 am

Lakeshow24 wrote:It's amazing that after the Lakers were swept by Dallas, the eventual champions, and the same team that mopped the floor with LeBron James and Co, that Jimmy Buss hit the panic button and blew everything up. I didn't feel good at that time about him panicking.

He should have just kept the team and coaching staff intact and went after revenge. Damnit.


In Jim's defense though I understand why he wanted to move both LO and Gasol for Pau. Both of them were no shows in the playoffs. While it was a risky move, a bold move, I think you have to applaud him for going for it. Now, the bad part is that he went for it when all of the forces of the NBA were against us. He tried to sneak it through right after Stern and Company had been publicly dead-set against the Lakers SPECIFICALLY landing more superstars. The timing was a big FU to the other owners and to Stern. That's why he slammed down with Basketball Reasons. The other owners said, "But Stern, this is what you said wouldn't and couldn't happen any more - and here the Lakers are doing it again."

So ultimately you could argue that it might not have been the best move because of that timing. But it was legal. And it was a high risk high reward move that might have set us up for the next several years.

In all of the dialogue about Jim Buss, I think he has NOT been given enough credit for his work on personnel. In that regard I think he's done a very good job. Look at his track record: he kept Bynum until he could turn him into Dwight (still a good move no matter how many people are looking back at Bynum with rose colored glasses), he was instrumental in getting Jordan Hill, Ramon Sessions (who I thought was a good find, but wasn't in the right system and didn't have the experience to help get us over in the playoffs), and of course he made that move for Chris Paul.

Where he's failed now three times is in the coaching hire department. I think Jim Buss' fault is that he is trying to have his hand in too many pies. Jerry was brilliant in that he deferred a lot of the basketball decisions. Jim wants to be involved in personnel and that's not necessarily bad. But he NEEDS DESPERATELY to stop trying to hire coaches. Just let Mitch hire the coach from now on.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:58 am

another opening night loss
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby The Rock on Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:35 am

Lakeshow24 wrote:It's amazing that after the Lakers were swept by Dallas, the eventual champions, and the same team that mopped the floor with LeBron James and Co, that Jimmy Buss hit the panic button and blew everything up. I didn't feel good at that time about him panicking.

He should have just kept the team and coaching staff intact and went after revenge. Damnit.


He got us Chris Paul wtf is wrong with that?? Too bad the trade got rescinded. Are you seeing what CP3 is doing with the Clippers??
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby The Laker Link on Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:21 pm

denimPortugal wrote:This team can lose against any team! I have 0 confidence in the LAL! Unreal...

No playoffs...and no lottery pick! :bang:


BDG wrote:We are only THREE GAMES ahead of New Orleans for the WORST RECORD IN THE WEST.

This is insane.


That is the depressing part. We are doing poorly and yet there is no benefit if we stay this bad. No first round pick, so we don't get younger and the one time we get a good lottery pick that maybe we could get someone good, we won't keep them.

Awesome.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:24 pm

Though I'd put this here instead of the Dwight thread since its so negative:

From what I'm hearing it sounds like surgery may not be required (until post season) for Dwights shoulder, but he would be playing with pain for the rest of the season.

If this is the case, does anyone really think given Howard's history in the league, attitude since being here, and situation hes in with this horrible team, that he's going to push through the pain and try to perform the rest of the season?? :boxing1:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby khmrP on Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:36 pm

We are the Eagles of the NBA :man6:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby Juronimo on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:45 pm

khmrP wrote:like I said, I enjoyed the watching those jones/van exel team better even though we were losing, at least it was entertaining and you saw all out effort from mostly everyone even if they weren't as talented as this team.


The Jones/Van Exel squads would run circles around this team. Those teams were not terrible by any means, they were competitive, just not contenders. You had Vlade, Elden, Havasu, they at least competed.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:47 pm

^^^

ROFL. Havasu.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:50 pm

borri wrote:^^^

ROFL. Havasu.


:man10: Nice one! Yeah, good old Ced the garbage man. Lake Havasu - I will always remember that debacle.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:52 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:Though I'd put this here instead of the Dwight thread since its so negative:

From what I'm hearing it sounds like surgery may not be required (until post season) for Dwights shoulder, but he would be playing with pain for the rest of the season.

If this is the case, does anyone really think given Howard's history in the league, attitude since being here, and situation hes in with this horrible team, that he's going to push through the pain and try to perform the rest of the season?? :boxing1:


if our record continues to be abysmal they probably just won't play him. shades of his last season in orlando with his back issue.

off-topic: thx kb24 for the username change :man10:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:20 pm

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8880620

Didn't know where to post this but I reacted like Steven A. on this one ... :man8:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:40 pm

skip bayless is a colossal moron.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby Legendary on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:45 pm

Damn....Stephen A. took Bayless to school on that topic.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:35 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
borri wrote:^^^

ROFL. Havasu.


:man10: Nice one! Yeah, good old Ced the garbage man. Lake Havasu - I will always remember that debacle.



in the middle of a playoff chase...dude goes to Havasu...that's worse than Nick and his 'Cancun' huddle-break
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby abeer3 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:40 pm

wmc: turnovers continue to be an issue. i really thought that nash's return would change that, if nothing else. it hasn't. this team gives away points on live ball turnovers like crazy. could have won by a lot tonight if they hadn't coughed the ball up for runouts.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Nothing more to WMC about (17-25)

Postby noobiew on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:45 pm

May too many turnovers, 18 TO ? lol gonna get destroy by the Heat and OKC for that amount of TO's.
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:46 pm

^Dear Lakers fan...we won convincingly. Don't complain for once.
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby noobiew on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:48 pm

Let's go kill OKC next game please !
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:48 pm

That was a decent game.... Utah missed a few... we still were sloppy at times but that's as good as we have played in a month.
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:48 pm

We won because Utah has no dynamic PGs out there tonight :man1:

Seriously Im glad we finally get a win but lets win Sunday vs OKC
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby davriver290 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:49 pm

I feel turnovers happen because of several reasons..... We try too many fancy/thread the needle passes. We aren't the Phoenix suns, the reason why Nash was able to run an offense was because every single person on that team was a shooter.... This team is different, so that's not going to work. I swear, I like jodie Meeks, but the guy cannot handle the ball..... just awful, he's a major turnover concern as well. We force to many unwarranted passes when coming off screens. Stop trying to get lobs in Dwight just to appease him or whatever. Stay within the structured offense, don't force stuff. This will stop turnovers significantly.... We did that against Utah and looked like a formidable team for 48 freaking minutes for the first time...
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby Forward Three on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:51 pm

Alright 1-0 to start the new season woo!
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby cthroatgtr on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:55 pm

Seemed like Kobe spent a lot of time in the post and nothing but good things happened. Pau & Dwight posted up a lot too. Seemed like they ran a lot of non-D'antoni offense tonight.
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:00 pm

We won playing nonDantoni ball. Post up the bigs, let Kobe post up and run the offense through Kobe.
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Re: WMC 12/13: OMG we showed up for 48 min (18-25)

Postby noobiew on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:02 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:Seemed like Kobe spent a lot of time in the post and nothing but good things happened. Pau & Dwight posted up a lot too. Seemed like they ran a lot of non-D'antoni offense tonight.


I think if MDA is adjusting his system to design some scheme to posting up his player and play more inside/out basketball, we will be good ! :jam2:
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