WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:32 am

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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:14 am

Did anyone notice the refs called an absurd number of 16 fouls in the 3rd quarter?

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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:22 am

Chillbongo wrote:Did anyone notice the refs called an absurd number of 16 fouls in the 3rd quarter?

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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Juronimo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:29 am

denimPortugal wrote:5:56 80-98 LAL, Antawn Jamison makes two point shot (Earl Clark assists)

...(3:52)

2:04 101-102 LAL, Greivis Vasquez makes 8-foot two point shot .

How is this possible? :bang:


The last 6 minutes were downright horrible. At least we won but we can't have those kind of lapses.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:05 pm

someone tell Artest its ok to pass when his spot up shot isnt there


the flow of the offense instantly dies when he tries to go one on one
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:05 pm

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Chillbongo wrote:Did anyone notice the refs called an absurd number of 16 fouls in the 3rd quarter?

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Have a conspiracy theory if someone would like me to elaborate

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go for it.

lol.

Here goes. If anyone noticed, the game clock was running REALLY quickly yesterday. As in, there weren't many stoppages of play -- possessions were turning over fairly quickly last night.

We were at half time around 8:45pm and the third quarter started a little before 9 I believe.

We all know how important the television deals are to the NBA, as well as the advertising that comes on in the commercial breaks. Advertisers pay premium prices to play their ads during these heavily-viewed programs.

I was watching the opening moments of the 3rd quarter thinking to myself "damn, this game is going by quickly, might be over before 9:30 at this rate".

And then around the 7:00 minute mark (I think), it happened. The refs started calling a bunch of fouls, on both teams, that really slowed down the game.

Maybe they just decided to "tighten things up", but a lot of those calls on both sides made me :man3:

I think they were extending the game to fill its usual time slot so that the advertisement sequence could continue to be filled in "prime time". If the game ends, companies are paying premium prices to air ads that aren't being viewed in "prime time" because viewership will have dropped.

If the game ends early viewership drops earlier. Call me crazy, but the shenanigans that were pulled during that one nationally televised game (the phantom timeout/commercial break) make me think this isn't a coincidence.

I don't know the ins and outs of TV/marketing deals, or the difference between local and national TV advertisements, and how the NBA profits from all of this, but I do know that more people will stay tuned in longer if a game continues to go on.

The NBA is a business after all.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:17 pm

I know where you're coming from, but that doesn't happen as often as you'd think. The Utah game for example was over before 10 o'clock and that's more of a draw then the Pelicans.

Unless it's nationally televised, games aren't usually approached that openly.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby The Rock on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:21 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:someone tell Artest its ok to pass when his spot up shot isnt there


the flow of the offense instantly dies when he tries to go one on one


Ive been saying this for months. All the good he does on defense hes giving it away on the other end with his decision making. I understand he has mismatches on him and wants to go one on one, 1-2 possessions a game is fine to keep him engaged but too many times with the Big 4 on the court he tries to dribble and tries to do some playmaking. You have the Big 4 let them create for you and shoot the initial open shot you get. They shouldn't run any plays for him in the 4th Q especially it always results in a turnover or a blocked shot. Hes a good shooter when his feet are set I dont know why he chooses to do these off the dribble things. Just play within your role, you shouldn't be shooting more shots than Pau or Nash
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Yeah, it might've just been a coincidence.

I noticed the game going quickly & simultaneously noticed the excess # of fouls called, so maybe I was just looking for an association.
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Re: WMC 12/13:Statement MADE! (19-25)

Postby The Rock on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:53 pm

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You better. :man9:


Done!

27-9 now :man1: :jam2:
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:58 pm

WMC: 4th quarter defensive lapses.

WMC: Defense aside, we squandered the 18 point lead also because 3's weren't dropping. Guys wouldn't hit shots anymore.

We may have ditched D'Antoni's offense but we definitely are still living and dying by the 3.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:08 pm

I agree that too many threes is detrimental. To much passing up a good midrange or close shot for an open 3. That kind of low-percentage basketball catches up with you on the road. And in the playoffs.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby cthroatgtr on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:19 pm

Am I the only one that feels that if it took Kobe becoming Magic like for the team to win, why is Steve Nash here? He is now basically Derek Fisher. Seems like an awful lot to give up for a defensive liability that struggled getting the offense going.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby davriver290 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:25 pm

Because Nash is a better shooter than Fisher. And also, if he needs to, Nash can create shots for others, something Fisher was never able to do. He can also run an offense, give Kobe breaks every now and then... Fisher could never do. The signing of Nash was very smart. But we have so many creators and passers that Nash doesn't have to do it all..
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Weezy on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:28 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:Am I the only one that feels that if it took Kobe becoming Magic like for the team to win, why is Steve Nash here? He is now basically Derek Fisher. Seems like an awful lot to give up for a defensive liability that struggled getting the offense going.


To be fair, Nash is scoring a lot more than Fisher ever did during this 3 game run. On top of that he's still a way better passer out there, he's still making plays in the pick and roll, and off of passes Kobe is giving him when doubled. He's swinging those passes into good shots for teammates .
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:29 pm

Another WMC.. We really should have hired Phil.. Look how good Nash scores off the ball.. He still would have been a big part of our success, & Pau/Kobe would have been working from the post the whole time.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:48 pm

Weezy wrote:
cthroatgtr wrote:Am I the only one that feels that if it took Kobe becoming Magic like for the team to win, why is Steve Nash here? He is now basically Derek Fisher. Seems like an awful lot to give up for a defensive liability that struggled getting the offense going.


To be fair, Nash is scoring a lot more than Fisher ever did during this 3 game run. On top of that he's still a way better passer out there, he's still making plays in the pick and roll, and off of passes Kobe is giving him when doubled. He's swinging those passes into good shots for teammates .

This. He's Derek Fisher+. He's Derek Fisher new and improved. If Derek Fisher was Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator, Steve is Robert Patrick's Terminator.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:28 pm

Are people seriously questioning why we have Nash? Because he's 10000x better than Derek Fisher or any PG we've had in the last 15 yrs or so! Now we got TWO guys that can create in Kobe and Nash, and Nash isn't selfish as he will swing the ball to the wind open man instead of trying to take a bad shot that Fisher would USUALLY take if he were still here. Nash is also a way better shooter than Fisher ever was, and he's also just as clutch if not MORE clutch than Fisher. I trust Nash in the clutch to hit big shots, and he will do it for us when he gets WIDE OPEN off of Kobe's penetration or post play.

Also, let's move past Phil Jackson shall we? I know Dantoni wasn't the best hire, in fact, he was a terrible hire, but at least he's willing to change it up and make bold moves....like starting Earl Clark over Gasol, which many of us wanted, and not stick to his 7 seconds or less offense and now letting the team figure it out on their own. He's not a good coach, but he's flexible and he wants to win.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Dfishman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:09 pm

I never worry about giving up a lead so long as we hang on and win. That's why you go up 18. From then on, the other team can go on a monster run and you'll still be ahead.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby SpencerHarrison on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:27 pm

All due respect to Nash, but that comment about being as clutch or MORE clutch that Fisher...



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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:32 pm

fish :man6: i miss the character and heart of this man. it's too bad that age and decline caught up to him.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Ice-Fire on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:56 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:fish i miss the character and heart of this man. it's too bad that age and decline caught up to him.


Nash brings, exactly what Fisher bought with 10x the better results.

Fisher was a chucker and couldn't stop missing lay-ups.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:03 pm

Ice-Fire wrote:
lakersyunowin wrote:fish i miss the character and heart of this man. it's too bad that age and decline caught up to him.


Nash brings, exactly what Fisher bought with 10x the better results.

Fisher was a chucker and couldn't stop missing lay-ups.

if you don't recognize that fisher was clutch as hell and was instrumental in our two recent chips, you're just blind hating. now i love nash and think he's clutch too, but as far as i'm aware we have zero championships with him. i don't know what results you're calculating and how you've evaluated them as 10x better, but the proof is in the pudding. and as far as nash is concerned, that's still up in the air.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby Ice-Fire on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:06 pm

If Nash played with Shaq/Kobe/Gasol during his prime years he would also be a instrumental to the Championships but he played with overrated star players on his team.
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Re: WMC 12/13: That Makes twenty (20-25)

Postby 432J on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:06 pm

nash may perform better on the court but i dont think he brings to the locker room what fish did during his time in LA
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