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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Forward Three on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:This team has no killer instinct whatsoever, lazy as f***. Whenever they get a double digit lead that's their signal to stop playing and assume the other team will give up.

I can't count the number of wins this season where I left disgusted.


Yup. All season long it has been the same story. The occasional hot shooting night washes over it a little but by and large even when the team wins the game they still kind of 'lose' in terms of demeanor and approach. You give this Lakers squad the '09 Lakers tightness, hustle and togetherness and they are right up there at the top of the pack, even with the injuries. That's just been this thing they have not been able to solve or even seem to care about addressing this season.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:27 pm

Ill be impressed if we win against milwaukee tomorrow. enough said.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby gcclaker on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:28 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:Ill be impressed if we win against milwaukee tomorrow. enough said.

...sigh of relief now. Yes, tomorrow beckons.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:30 pm

back to back wins? There can be a first time, right?
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:32 pm

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Trust me I care a lot less about this team than you think.

your posting says otherwise. If you care less about the team then what is the purpose for all your "this games a loss", "I predict a blowout", "I leave every win disgusted" comments. That makes no sense.


It makes no sense because you didn't read what I actually said
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:33 pm

Didn't see the game but it looks like we almost blew it at the line again....57% as a team and a god awful 7-17 for Howie....

Good thing the 3's fell....
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:36 pm

41 points in the 3rd...120 overall...and it comes down to the final play to secure the win...

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:45 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
Trust me I care a lot less about this team than you think.

your posting says otherwise. If you care less about the team then what is the purpose for all your "this games a loss", "I predict a blowout", "I leave every win disgusted" comments. That makes no sense.


It makes no sense because you didn't read what I actually said


OH... well clarify for me because what I saw you and Karacha going back and forth and you finishing with saying you basically don't care. My question was based off of that back and forth. You don't like, believe or support the team in fact you seem to go out of your way to predict losses, bring gloom and doom before the games even start. Someone, I think Doc, mentioned that you perdict a loss for something like 90% (may be exxagerated) of our games before the end of the 1st quarter. Again, if you don't care why go through all the trouble? I'm just curious.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:45 pm

MDA's choice. sit Howard for 49 seconds with 10 pt. lead or let him miss FTs and go for a scrambling win. Guess what he chose?

In the unlikely event that we got to the Finals. We lead the Heat by 10 with 3 to go. Will he make the same choice?
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Juronimo on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:47 pm

I missed the game, but giving up 117 points is a little concerning. At least we won. I'll have to watch one of the later showings on time warner cable sports net.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Weezy on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:48 pm

Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:51 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
Trust me I care a lot less about this team than you think.

your posting says otherwise. If you care less about the team then what is the purpose for all your "this games a loss", "I predict a blowout", "I leave every win disgusted" comments. That makes no sense.


It makes no sense because you didn't read what I actually said


OH... well clarify for me because what I saw you and Karacha going back and forth and you finishing with saying you basically don't care. My question was based off of that back and forth. You don't like, believe or support the team in fact you seem to go out of your way to predict losses, bring gloom and doom before the games even start. Someone, I think Doc, mentioned that you perdict a loss for something like 90% (may be exxagerated) of our games before the end of the 1st quarter. Again, if you don't care why go through all the trouble? I'm just curious.


Sometimes I predict losses before the game even starts. Trodgers does the same thing. I don't understand what's wrong with making predictions.

But I almost never call a game in the first quarter, I'll destroy the team for their bad play but I try to refrain from saying they have no chance to win the game.

And I never said I don't care, I said I care a lot less than what karacha thinks I do. I berate this team a lot but that doesn't mean I don't care. But at the end of the day I understand this is a game and has no actual effect on my life. The Lakers are a long way from the top on my list of priorities.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:51 pm

Weezy wrote:Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.


I actually liked Coach D's answer to the question of why he left D12 out there... He said, "He needs to get over the hump because we can't afford to have him out of the game when it matters" (or something like that). I agree with him. Dwight has to come up and get use to making them
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:53 pm

The problem is that he won't be making them, as in ever... :bang: :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:53 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.


I actually liked Coach D's answer to the question of why he left D12 out there... He said, "He needs to get over the hump because we can't afford to have him out of the game when it matters" (or something like that). I agree with him. Dwight has to come up and get use to making them

Sounds like an actual good coaching decision... Whoa...
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:55 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:The problem is that he won't be making them, as in ever... :bang: :bang:

where is the game, especially playoffs, won?
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:58 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:The problem is that he won't be making them, as in ever... :bang: :bang:

where is the game, especially playoffs, won?

Large sample size is this current regular season...Hack a Dwight works.

We'll be sitting pretty at the 6th spot, if MDA just takes him out for a while until the two minute mark when they start that crap.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:07 pm

therealdeal wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.


I actually liked Coach D's answer to the question of why he left D12 out there... He said, "He needs to get over the hump because we can't afford to have him out of the game when it matters" (or something like that). I agree with him. Dwight has to come up and get use to making them

Sounds like an actual good coaching decision... Whoa...



Surprise, surprise...but I actually agree with MDA here too. :toilet3:
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:08 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
Sometimes I predict losses before the game even starts. Trodgers does the same thing. I don't understand what's wrong with making predictions.

But I almost never call a game in the first quarter, I'll destroy the team for their bad play but I try to refrain from saying they have no chance to win the game.

And I never said I don't care, I said I care a lot less than what karacha thinks I do. I berate this team a lot but that doesn't mean I don't care. But at the end of the day I understand this is a game and has no actual effect on my life. The Lakers are a long way from the top on my list of priorities.


Big difference between Trodgers post and yours in my opinion. Trodgers is using a system to show what the "stats" are saying will happen. He is not saying that he thinks it is a loss plain and simple. When you do it, in my opinion, it is because you think they are all losses. Huge difference.

As far as not saying they have "no chance", again, my view of your post says different. It is the very thing Karacha was talking about in the first place.

In any case, my comment was based around your posting history with the team which shows a lot more care than you are saying now. Again, just my observation.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:10 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:The problem is that he won't be making them, as in ever... :bang: :bang:

where is the game, especially playoffs, won?

Large sample size is this current regular season...Hack a Dwight works.

We'll be sitting pretty at the 6th spot, if MDA just takes him out for a while until the two minute mark when they start that crap.


The answer to my question was "defense." We need DWight on the court because in the end it will be the defensive stops that get us wins in the playoffs. He is going to be out there when it matters most (in playoff games) so he needs to be out there when it matters most during the season. It is a no brainer to me. If he misses then his teammates need to make the defenses stops.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:44 pm

I thought we would lose this game. I guess I was wrong. The TO's almost killed tonight. Also, when Dwight gets into foul trouble and has to sit, our defense is awful. Gasol proved once again tonight that he can't guard the paint to save his life.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Weezy on Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:35 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.


I actually liked Coach D's answer to the question of why he left D12 out there... He said, "He needs to get over the hump because we can't afford to have him out of the game when it matters" (or something like that). I agree with him. Dwight has to come up and get use to making them

Sounds like an actual good coaching decision... Whoa...



Surprise, surprise...but I actually agree with MDA here too. :toilet3:


Even Phil would take Shaq out during crucial moments of Hack-A-Shaq though, offense/defense substitutions. Dwight missed them before when left in, and he will miss them again when left in, he just isn't a good FT shooter. I don't think it's good or bad coaching to leave a guy in to figure something out when he just isn't good at that something and isn't improving, it just is what it is, a gamble, a roll of the dice. Again though I'm no saying take him out the rest of the game, only til the game gets under 2 mins. Leaving him in to do hack a Dwight let the Wolves right back in the game, it's embarrassing to watch IMO, it's not basketball it's lame, so why not avoid it for one minute by taking him out? Put him right back in under 2 mins, then if he gets fouled when he gets the ball oh well you deal with it and him having to "learn to make them" at that point.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:12 am

dantoni makes sense in trusting dwight but in that minute dwight missing FT's got them back in the game. and its not like dwight was blocking shots in that minute either....dwight either missed both or made just one and they'd go down the court and score every trip. its a double edged sword bc it could give him confidence but also cost us a game. whats 1 min on the bench to keep a 10 point lead and a win?...if you ask me its bad coaching. dwight is a poor FT shooter. period. some nights he makes them perfect swishes and others not so much....this was one of those bad nights so id sit him the 56 seconds and keep the lead then put him back in at the 2 min mark.

just bad coaching bc its making your player into something hes not. he wont make those on a night where you know his FT's are off and i think keeping him on the bench for 56 seconds and putting him back in after is a smarter choice than losing a 10 point lead in 1 minute.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:40 am

Weezy wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Yeah I don't get leaving Dwight in either. You don't take him out the rest of the game, just the 56 seconds until the game was under 2 mins.


I actually liked Coach D's answer to the question of why he left D12 out there... He said, "He needs to get over the hump because we can't afford to have him out of the game when it matters" (or something like that). I agree with him. Dwight has to come up and get use to making them

Sounds like an actual good coaching decision... Whoa...



Surprise, surprise...but I actually agree with MDA here too. :toilet3:


Even Phil would take Shaq out during crucial moments of Hack-A-Shaq though, offense/defense substitutions. Dwight missed them before when left in, and he will miss them again when left in, he just isn't a good FT shooter. I don't think it's good or bad coaching to leave a guy in to figure something out when he just isn't good at that something and isn't improving, it just is what it is, a gamble, a roll of the dice. Again though I'm no saying take him out the rest of the game, only til the game gets under 2 mins. Leaving him in to do hack a Dwight let the Wolves right back in the game, it's embarrassing to watch IMO, it's not basketball it's lame, so why not avoid it for one minute by taking him out? Put him right back in under 2 mins, then if he gets fouled when he gets the ball oh well you deal with it and him having to "learn to make them" at that point.

I would agree with you except for one thing: Dwight seems to make free throws in situations where he's not under the spot light. Apparently he's actually an excellent free throw shooter (for a big guy) in practice. I don't think I EVER heard that for Shaq.

The idea now is that he just HAS to build confidence. And after the Orlando game, I'm down with it. He's going to learn and hopefully he's going to improve. I agree with the move here. Remember what happened when Mitch showed confidence in Dwight? We're trying to do the same thing as a team.
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Re: WMC 12/13: We win. Hou lost. 33 Remains! (37-35)

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:26 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:The problem is that he won't be making them, as in ever... :bang: :bang:

where is the game, especially playoffs, won?

Large sample size is this current regular season...Hack a Dwight works.

We'll be sitting pretty at the 6th spot, if MDA just takes him out for a while until the two minute mark when they start that crap.


The answer to my question was "defense." We need DWight on the court because in the end it will be the defensive stops that get us wins in the playoffs. He is going to be out there when it matters most (in playoff games) so he needs to be out there when it matters most during the season. It is a no brainer to me. If he misses then his teammates need to make the defenses stops.


And whether he makes or misses the Hack-a-Dwight may work in our favor. Take Denver, OKC, Clippers out of their run and gun, and make these teams play a half court offense rather than trying to chase these roadrunners around.
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