WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Chillbongo on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm

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kenzo wrote:Fixed. Can't blow it up without getting rid of Kobe's HUGE salary. Second, blowing it up = getting young. Why the hell would we want to get rid of D12?


While I agree that we NEED to go young, Dwight has proved he is incapable of being a leader, a man, reliable, and he gets SHUT down.

No post moves, WINES like a b**** and is consistently inconsistent.

He does not deserve to be the Lakers franchise player. Yeah, I said. I don't care "what he's done" or what his numbers say. Not a first option. Not the Lakers franchise player.


1. We run the wrong system to optimize D12. Even Shaq would suffer from this system.
2. Don't forget, ORL got to the finals with D12. And had deep runs into the playoffs. Remember he had to get past those Celtics before they got old like us.
3. Centers of D12's caliber are extremely hard to come by. If you have one, you KEEP him.


1. Yeah, we do run the wrong system. But that doesn't change the fact that he has no real post moves that he can put to use. Also it doesn't change that he has terrible hands and gets stripped in the paint. Doesn't change his FT shooting & doesn't change that when teams swarm, he is ineffective.

2. That ORL team had HUGE help from Lewis, Nelson, Trukoglu and others carrying the offensive load. Again, Dwight is not a 1st option (offense).

3. Yes, true, but the center position is being phased out in this league. Look at the past 2 champions--MIA DAL. OKC has Perk, but he fills his defensive role and gets hustle points. Dwight does too, but $20M is too expensive for that.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby escobar8 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:44 pm

i am sick of this team playing like ish...they start playing horiblle and they continue that way until last 6-7min...and then they starting hiting 3s and playing D and eventualy lose...except GS we didnt have any come back...he allways dig ourself at start a big hole...this team just dont have youth,fresh blood that can run and D...and many of them dont have heart or pride...
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:46 pm

lakers_09tv wrote:Why would Dwight re-sign? I see him going to Houston to play with Harden.


Because he can have a team built around him, in California, where he can get the most money.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby borri on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:47 pm

Chill--

1. He didn't have real post moves but was still damn effective for ORL.
2. Yes he had help but he WAS the 1st option. The ball went inside FIRST. Then kicks out to shooters.
3. Wrong system and wrong personnel. ORL had shooters at the 1-4. We have Nash. That's it.
4. Centers are phased out because they are rare. OKC, DAL, MIA would give their left and right legs to get D12. Simple as that.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:48 pm

Get Dwight some hard working young guys with a PG who can score and penetrate and an athletic wing who is a star and see what happens.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:49 pm

1. i don't believe this team isn't trying hard or doesn't care

which leads me to believe, this team doesn't have the right horses for the race. we have no foot speed, so we don't get easy buckets, we don't rotate as well. you can get by with a few guys that are slower, but we have a ton of slow guys. nash, jamison, artest, gasol, and they all play significant minutes.

i think if we get some speed in at the 3, that will help a ton.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:51 pm

dwight needs to get going early and its up to nash and kobe to do it. when he does we most likely win. he cant have a 5 point quarter and a bit first half.

the offensive game plan is get dwight going early. force feed him. run pnr. run horns. run everything you got to get dwight going. everyone else (kobe nash) play defense hard. then once dwight gets going it'll open things up for kobe who will have an easier time on O.

the focus needs to be on getting off to good starts and ride that momentum on D. inorder to do that you need to have dwight engaged on O so he will be on D. Metta too imo. get them both going early as in immediately from the tip off and its a whole different game.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Chillbongo on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:52 pm

Then what is this team doing wrong? Is it a coincidence that Dwight tends to have better games when the opposition has weak bigs? (MIA being the exception).

To me, we still have a better chance of winning with Kobe as our #1. If we could get a young player who can create a shot for himself and defend, and fill our roster out with other young, 2-way pieces, I think we do better.

You are correct about Dwight and ORL, but it's not working here. He can't create his own shot. We need a trade for a 2-way, young, shot-creating player.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:52 pm

sunday game, on the road, at 10am, in toronto for the only time this season (so the raptors are gunna go hard for sure)....

ya recipe for disaster with this team. it always has been and it always will be.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby The Laker Link on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:53 pm

I think now I am starting to get disappointed with the Lakers, but I see what's going wrong. This team I think just set high expectations in the beginning of the season, and those expectations got killed with the way things with Mike Brown. I really do believe Mike Brown killed a lot of the joy and expectations they had. Mike D'Antoni is now trying to work with a pretty defeated attitude and what not so now things are staying mediocre. NOW, the Lakers aren't playing well. That's fine, and honestly I hope they can turn things around because this is ridiculous. Also I hope the Lakers can pitch this team to a lot of players this coming off season. The Lakers keep getting beat by the same people, players like Lowry, Landry Fields, Galanari, Harden, and these support people. The Lakers need to go get some guys like this. The Lakers have a good team, it's just they need more. They need some young guys with this team. I think Dwight will stay and I think Pau can stay. The fact that Kobe has to play like this shows that he tries to get the team going when the going gets tough, maybe it's not helpful but he knows his shots will go in where everyone else just takes a "maybe" shot and when you are down, those shots don't help.

I hope they can close out the season decently, I don't care if they don't make the playoffs, I wish they would but the Lakers have only missed the playoffs once in the last odd number of years, so missing them this year, that can happen, and I will live with it.

Along with reevaluating their recruiting of players so people similar to Fields and Harden can be on our team, they need to get a good staff and I hope Nate McMillan can be talked into being a defensive coach. That would be helpful.

Final thing I would hope the Lakers could do is get a US wide XM channel for all their games, home and away, because listening to opposing teams' commentating during away games especially when they are losing adds more depression to the situation and really sucks any kind of enjoyment out of watching the game. Maybe the NBA can just do that for all 30 teams with XM, that'd be great.

That's it. That's what I think and how I feel. Yes, I know most of you are happy this is failing and that is fine, not like the Heat succeeded the first time and everyone REALLY wanted them to fail, so I'll live with this. Kobe has 3 years on him still, so he can still get 1 more ring, it's not impossible. In fact I honestly believe they'll win it next year, regardless of what I say right now because they have learned after one season and can only get better from this season. Plus, a team like this....has to win one before Kobe and Nash call it quits. They just have to. So whatever. Guess we just wait and see.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby thkthebest on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:01 pm

I just woke up, but we lost to the Raptors? :man10: Weren't we supposed to turn things around? Lol.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:07 pm

I wished this game would have started later. This practically ruined my afternoon. Screw this team...
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby marcelo on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:10 pm

Just disgusting basketball. Just a bunch of guys passing the ball around and chucking with really no purpose. No energy. Needless to say, no defense. Kobe just awful. Only a trade can save this team. With this roster right now, we don't get to .500.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby DHL on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:10 pm

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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby The Laker Link on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:14 pm

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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby hollywood swinger on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:19 pm

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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby sina on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:23 pm

Yes, we've aged players in Nash, Bryant, MWP, Gasol n Jamison. But we also have super star Howard in his prime and serviceable young players in Hill, Clark, Meeks n Morris. We shouldn't have been in 17-23, really.

Once, O'neal n Bryant were alslo surrounded by aged players like AC green, Grant, Rice, Harper, Shaw etc and we won multiple championships. We treasure the aged players n their experience. But we blame our loses to aged players. In fact, they are all in good condition: Bryant n MWP are having their best year in recent years. Nash n Jamison were quit serviceable last season n see no big change in their physical condition this year. Yes, we changed our head coach n sufferred by injuries. But with this roster, I really don't accept a 17-23 result. Even Bryant play with Parker, Brown, Walton as starters can make playoff...
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby khmrP on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:24 pm

Somebody say turnaround? This team is a dam joke!
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby charvin on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:34 pm

System? What system?
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby borri on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:52 pm

^^^

LOL Kobe and a bunch of scrubs are better than this current team. Sad. So so so sad.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:59 pm

meeks is a 3 point specialist! he shoots the 3 better than anyone on our team (outside of nash who doesnt shoot it that much).

play him. our team lacks energy and hustle and heart and perimeter shooting. all things meeks brings more than morris and duhon. unbelievable that dantoni praised him so highly and then gives him this many dnp's

you'd think hed learn after playing ebanks over clark.
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby dj vitus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:01 pm

Just concede the season already. In fact, concede your careers. Try baseball or something. Or poker. :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby Forward Three on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:51 pm

Ariza3 wrote:meeks is a 3 point specialist! he shoots the 3 better than anyone on our team (outside of nash who doesnt shoot it that much).

play him. our team lacks energy and hustle and heart and perimeter shooting. all things meeks brings more than morris and duhon. unbelievable that dantoni praised him so highly and then gives him this many dnp's

you'd think hed learn after playing ebanks over clark.


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Re: WMC 12/13: So much ugly (17-23)

Postby kenzo on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:56 pm

Forward Three wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:meeks is a 3 point specialist! he shoots the 3 better than anyone on our team (outside of nash who doesnt shoot it that much).

play him. our team lacks energy and hustle and heart and perimeter shooting. all things meeks brings more than morris and duhon. unbelievable that dantoni praised him so highly and then gives him this many dnp's

you'd think hed learn after playing ebanks over clark.


Scoring is not the problem.

Yes it is. If we score more than the opponent we win, right? :man12:
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