WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby Juronimo on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:54 am

This team is no where near elite even when healthy. There are several reasons that could explain why. I think the main issue is that out of our 4 best players, one just had back surgery and the other 3 are years past their primes. You combine that with a short rotation of NBA caliber players and here we are. Then when you account for coaching issues and injuries you have a team out of the playoffs picture.

I remember the '06-'07 season, we were 26-13 with Kwame, Smush and Luke in the starting lineup, then guys went down to injuries. We still made the playoffs that year, and sad to say that team is better than this current Laker team, and that team had tons of injuries as well.

The reality is that this team is not only not contenders, we're just not very good. A team that is a contender, a team that is capable of winning 60 games can sustain a few injuries without dropping out of the playoffs picture. Our championship teams absorbed injuries to Bynum and Pau and still found ways to win. This team can't do that because we're too old and lacking talent.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:09 am

I'll disagree with many here - I think we have a nice roster and that we are an elite level team talent wise, when healthy and if coached correctly. It was always going to take time to develop any kind of chemistry and we have not had that opportunity for the most part because we were snake-bit in terms of injuries. Nash out for the first quarter of the season, Pau out for another quarter but even when he was playing he was plagued with tendonitis and plantar fasciitis so he was at half-mast, losing Hill our spark plug for 2/3 of the season, losing our backup PG Steve Blake for half the season, it seems to never end. And Howard hasn't even been close to 100%.

Add in the coaching and system changes, Dr. Buss' failing health and passing . . . there has never been a season that was so disrupted and full of turmoil. It's actually amazing to me that we are back in the playoff hunt. That doesn't excuse some of those disgusting losses earlier this season, especially at home. But I'm looking at the glass half full right now until proven otherwise.

If we are healthy, I still like our chances against the Heat. I think we match up well with them. Also San Antonio. The teams that I'm concerned most with are the younger teams with tons of speed such as OKC of course, and to a lesser extent the Clips and Denver. I think we can handle Memphis.

It's too early to throw the dirt on this team and say they can't be elite, IMO. But maybe that's just me.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:52 pm

JGC-

LOL... Good one. I'll get back to that later.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby JGC on Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:01 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:JGC-

LOL... Good one. I'll get back to that later.


Thanks! Sounds good... Hopefully after a Laker W.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:04 pm

TURNOVERS....and MULTIPLE missed assignments on the interior....we nearly got burned on the SAME EXACT play but luckily the pass that Josh Smith got wasn't a good one....we really escaped....but I'll take any win we can get at this point....
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:04 pm

WMC: turnovers turnovers turnovers. dwight had an off night.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby JLaker17 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:05 pm

It was huge that we got the win, it seemed that getting to .500 was impossible as every time we got close we lost a few.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Jellincon on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:11 pm

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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby abeer3 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:11 pm

wmc from tonight: turnovers...good lord...take care of the basketball. you're veterans.

devin harris deciding he's an outside shooter annoyed me quite a bit. guy's a terrible shooter; it's the only reason he hasn't been a star.

stealth wmc: i really didn't like the way the team chose to finish the game. i've said it all year: nash can't be a spectator at the end of games. they got lucky that smith basically bobbled a layup, or this was a nasty home loss marked by kobe iso ball that was, despite some amazing highlights, pretty ineffective on the whole. you could just see the air sucked out of nash and howard on offense when they realized they would no longer be involved in the game.

but hey, win's a win, i guess.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:13 pm

Still not playoff basketball...we make it in, one and done if we stick to this script.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby The Rock on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:15 pm

A win is a win. GLad we're at .500 now, hope we beat OKC
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Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby Coach Chris on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:19 pm

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Let's just get to the bottom of this instead of beating around the bush.

Is your assessment of this roster that, if healthy, it would be an elite team in the NBA? And by elite I mean, top 3?

If yes, then I can see why you would blame injuries. You have to understand that I do not share the perspective that this is an elite team that can only be slowed by injuries.


If I understand you correctly, I think you have it backwards. If this team were elite (top 3) when healthy, then I would expect injuries to knock them down to maybe around 5-6. If they are not elite when healthy (top 5-6), I would expect injuries to knock them down to 8 or below. And I think that is what is happening this season.

Injuries do matter. The Lakers are 11-5 since Blake returned, they were 19-25 prior to that. So just adding a real NBA backup PG instead of a couple of guys who probably shouldn't be in the league (Morris and Duhon), is making a big difference. With a health Gasol, I think they would have been 12-4 during that period.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:22 pm

League Pass you basterds!!! hanged with 1 min left :bang: :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:22 pm

Pretty disgusted we didn't blow them out when we had the chance. A home game at this point in the season can't come down to this. It's like playing with fire, losing games like this can mean the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby trodgers on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:25 pm

Big lead, lost it, built it back up...that felt so good. Then had to scratch and claw to win by a point. Way too many TOs. Way too many easy buckets allowed. I'm talking about the streaking layups and dunks moreso than the shooting clinic Harris put on in the third. Defensive rotations have to tighten up.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:27 pm

^yeah but Atlanta's a good team. I'm happy we beat them, close or blowout.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby trodgers on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:29 pm

They ARE a good team. 33-24 coming into tonight, second in their division, and the 4th seed overall. I get all that. LA got the win, but it was frustrating how it happened.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby The Rock on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:35 pm

ATL is good, Horford came in with 9 straight 20 point games, they were winning in Utah and other places on the road. Teague was averaging 16/8 after All star break. We beat a good team, it was ugly but we got the win.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:38 pm

I'm not too mad because developing that 16 point lead proves we're trying to find some kind of strength, also Atlanta is one of those speedy athletic teams we have trouble with and we played them pretty well. However it was typical turnover prone, complacent L.A. that almost lost us that game. I don't know why we still have to talk about turnovers with this team as if they haven't learned anything yet. THEY HAVE TO STOP THESE STUPID TURNOVERS because if we make the playoffs we're gonna get murdered. We're too old in the legs and not being able to secure the ball to prevent turnovers and fast breaks with these quick teams isn't good for us.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:38 pm

To me the only home losses acceptable at this point would be to teams like OKC or the Spurs. We can't lose home games even to just "good" teams. I know we didn't lose but this was as close to a loss as you can get. Very dangerous
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:38 pm

A win but that's about all that can be said good about this one.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:44 pm

WMC: Turnovers obviously. I'll agree with abeer3 as well, I don't like Nash being a spectator for much of the last minutes.

Took a Herculean effort out of Kobe to get the win and he wasn't blameless as he had his share of turnovers. The refs did not give us seemingly any And One calls when Kobe especially was getting hacked on a lot of those drives. He was spectacular, and made them, but he also got hit. And that out of bands play where they reversed the call he got hit twice. Absurd.

Dwight looking to blame someone else when Horford schooled him also deserves mention. Doc Brown did in the D12 thread, but it makes my WMC, too.

Oh yeah, I am stoked about the win though!! :bow: Back to .500. Good. Winning at home, good.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby Coach Chris on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:49 pm

10 more home games, with Chicago, Memphis, Golden State, San Antonio, and Houston among them. Assuming we win the other 5, winning 3 of these might get us there.
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Re: WMC 12/13: .500! Finally flushed it home (30-30)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:07 pm

18 of 22 let's get to it boys
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Re: WMC 12/13: Bounced Back Beatdown (29-30)

Postby JGC on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:37 pm

Coach Chris wrote:
JGC wrote:
Let's just get to the bottom of this instead of beating around the bush.

Is your assessment of this roster that, if healthy, it would be an elite team in the NBA? And by elite I mean, top 3?

If yes, then I can see why you would blame injuries. You have to understand that I do not share the perspective that this is an elite team that can only be slowed by injuries.


If I understand you correctly, I think you have it backwards. If this team were elite (top 3) when healthy, then I would expect injuries to knock them down to maybe around 5-6. If they are not elite when healthy (top 5-6), I would expect injuries to knock them down to 8 or below. And I think that is what is happening this season.

Injuries do matter. The Lakers are 11-5 since Blake returned, they were 19-25 prior to that. So just adding a real NBA backup PG instead of a couple of guys who probably shouldn't be in the league (Morris and Duhon), is making a big difference. With a health Gasol, I think they would have been 12-4 during that period.


You understand me correctly if you understood that I don't believe this team, as currently constructed and healthy or otherwise, is ELITE. And by elite I mean widely regarded as a top 2 or 3 team in the league if not better.

Agree about the injuries. However, it is my opinion that the injuries are simply exacerbating the real problem which is, that we aren't inherently elite.

Steve Blake has been nice, but let's not go overboard here and suggest he's been the reason. What difference did you see him make in the Portland and Charlotte victories?
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