WMC 13/14: CL went down yet Coach D remains! ugh

Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby gcclaker on Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:37 pm

This team has NO post presence. Gasol cannot operate with his back to basket like he used to. If the outside shots don't fall, there's no fall back option. Young so far cannot produce off the dribble. Henry missed a huge chunk of time to establish a rhythm.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:39 pm

gcclaker wrote:This team has NO post presence. Gasol cannot operate with his back to basket like he used to.


Again, I don't think it's because he can't - I think it's because he won't. Big Game and Luke were just talking about this. He settled too often outside.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby gcclaker on Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:45 pm

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gcclaker wrote:This team has NO post presence. Gasol cannot operate with his back to basket like he used to.

Again, I don't think it's because he can't - I think it's because he won't. Big Game and Luke were just talking about this. He settled too often outside.

I'd like to believe you LJ but It makes me wonder why... Defenders are doing the pull the chair trick or it's either getting poked away before he makes a move. Jordan did it twice in the Clipper game, Splitter he of the not that quick hands had one. He blew a gimme layup that normally he would have made or flushed. Just frustrated...

And it's only the third game of the season! :man10:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:52 pm

gcclaker wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
gcclaker wrote:This team has NO post presence. Gasol cannot operate with his back to basket like he used to.

Again, I don't think it's because he can't - I think it's because he won't. Big Game and Luke were just talking about this. He settled too often outside.

I'd like to believe you LJ but It makes me wonder why... Defenders are doing the pull the chair trick or it's either getting poked away before he makes a move. Jordan did it twice in the Clipper game, Splitter he of the not that quick hands had one. He blew a gimme layup that normally he would have made or flushed. Just frustrated...

And it's only the third game of the season! :man10:


:man10: Can't argue those examples, GCC. Ouch. :bang:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby borri on Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:23 pm

You know we're pretty bad when our second unit is better than our first unit. :man10:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:51 am

Our staring backcourt of Nash/Blake 3-20 FGS, 11 pts, 13 ast, 3 TO's...Blake played 31 minutes; Nash played 23 minutes. Farmar, playing about 15 minutes, shot 3-6, had 7 points, 4 assists, 2 TO's...he had a stretch where he didn't play so well, but as you can see, aside from the assists, he's more effective then Blake in about half his time.

Not only do stats back this up, but he's by FAR the best PG on this team. He's under control, his decision making his solid, his shooting is on point, and he usually does a good job of initiating/directing the offense, and when things break down, he could create his own shot. Why wasn't he out there during the 4th quarter last night? Why was the slow, non-athletic, can't shoot Blake even sniffing the court? And why is Nash getting more minutes when he's just terrible on both ends of the court?

Another thing; Jordan Hill; play 11 minutes, 5 points, 4 rebounds (3 offensive), and you decide not to play him more throughout the game? Are you stupid MDA? Kaman and Williams weren't nearly as productive nor did they provide the impact that Hill did in his limited time. I didn't get that. As far as the rotation line, he fed the media of not playing Hill, I don't believe it. I don't think he likes playing Hill; he never has even in the days of when Hill was a NY Knick; and MDA was coaching for that franchise.

All in all, we should have won this game. I'll never get this rotation/experimenting; you play the guys that are productive and play well for you. MDA is seemingly clueless to that fact...
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:24 pm

gcclaker wrote:>>This team has NO post presence. Gasol cannot operate with his back to basket like he used to. <<


Even with no Tim Duncan on the floor.

And no Kobe = no closer.

It's going to be a long season. :bang:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby abeer3 on Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:10 pm

I think gasol has done ok in the post in the rare few times he's ventured there. I think his knees are shot; he knows he can't take the pounding possession after possession on the block, so he pops instead of rolls and sets up shop at 18 ft instead of trying to set up shop at 8 ft.

I think the lakers will be moving him for a draft pick and a bit of luxury tax relief at the deadline to a contender that could use a good big off the bench. i'd have to look at a list of teams with salaries that could make it work, but you know, something like that.

my wmc: how can you lose a game because you can't stop boris diaw? dude is fat.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:31 pm

abeer3 wrote:I think gasol has done ok in the post in the rare few times he's ventured there. I think his knees are shot; he knows he can't take the pounding possession after possession on the block, so he pops instead of rolls and sets up shop at 18 ft instead of trying to set up shop at 8 ft.

I think the lakers will be moving him for a draft pick and a bit of luxury tax relief at the deadline to a contender that could use a good big off the bench. i'd have to look at a list of teams with salaries that could make it work, but you know, something like that.

my wmc: how can you lose a game because you can't stop boris diaw? dude is fat.



^^ Agreed with all of this. Man, fat old Diaw almost singlehandedly beating us really got my goat! Look at my quotes in gameday. I blame that on D' Antoni. He insisted on playing Johnson on him at the 4 despite him taking his lunch all of the fourth quarter. All he had to do was switch a bigger guy on him. He finally did it with Hill but it was too little too late.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:36 pm

WMC:

Players out of position and playing guys because of previous ccomplishments.

Starters:
Farmar
Kobe (X for now)
Johnson
Hill
Gasol

Bench:
Nash or Blake
X when Kobe returns
Young
Williams
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:47 pm

abeer3 wrote:I think gasol has done ok in the post in the rare few times he's ventured there. I think his knees are shot; he knows he can't take the pounding possession after possession on the block, so he pops instead of rolls and sets up shop at 18 ft instead of trying to set up shop at 8 ft.

I think the lakers will be moving him for a draft pick and a bit of luxury tax relief at the deadline to a contender that could use a good big off the bench. i'd have to look at a list of teams with salaries that could make it work, but you know, something like that.

my wmc: how can you lose a game because you can't stop boris diaw? dude is fat.


Gasol got owned the few times he was in the post against Bogut. it was embarrassing to watch. I think he can still be effective in there but not against everyone anymore. A few years ago he had the advantage 95% of the time... now it's 50-50.

His best value to this team as we rebuild is in trade value.... but for some reason we just won't do it. Swinging for the fences in the off season 2.0 coming this summer. The sequel will be as bad as the original I'm afraid.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Spurred (1-2)

Postby Juronimo on Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:39 pm

1 - 3 after tonight sadly.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Vs Atlanta

Postby karacha on Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:58 pm

I don't know where to start.... but I'll take the W. Will write more tomorrow.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Vs Atlanta

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:02 pm

Hill = More Minutes = Better chance at Winning
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Re: WMC 13/14: Vs Atlanta

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:07 pm

lived by the 3 on the first 8 tries when 6 went it..... died by it on the next 17 ties when only 3 went in.

Pau with his back to the basket tonight was 0-7 with two air balls.....

Defense was terrible at the point of attack and I think we may now know why Johnson only defends guys bigger than him. He was blown by twice in critical situations on switches on the outside.

Henry played well as did Young. Blake had 7 assists and no turnovers but shot terrible again.

Nash was Nash like for a string of about 5 possessions then old man Nash showed up and went 3-11 shooting fairly easy shots for him.

Kaman played the best overall game IMHO....
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby noobiew on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:17 pm

Steve Blake (PG) on Kyle Korver (SF) :bang:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:50 pm

WMC: Blake playing 32 minutes - most of all the Lakers - and playing the whole time at the SG position. Oh yeah, and Hill only playing 14 minutes. I don't understand what's in D' Antoni's head.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby davriver290 on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:55 pm

seriously.... my only complaint is the rotations. Hill has got to get in there earlier for a longer period of time. 12-14 minutes is enough, but put him in there with the blazing fast 2nd unit.. He'd work wonders. Anyone else impressed with the Bench? And X?
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby kenzo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:07 am

Hold on to the damn lead. 21 pts on Atlanta (15 on SA i think), c'mon :bang:
Also, less Blake and more Hill please.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:11 am

Defense is absolutely horrible. It evidently doesn't matter if you have a good defensive coach when the head coach acts like he doesn't care about it.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby nba2k14 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:26 am

The first 4 games showed me this team is not ready and are lottery bound right now. Tonight, it's just two bad team competing. Someone got to win. The Hawk gift wrapping the Lakers a win. I mean, the god awful Hawks PG dribbling on his foot out of bound, Horford walking up court and throwing the ball back-court, and their players put up some stupid shot. Yet, the Lakers didn't capitalize on their mistakes but instead laying eggs on the other end. Letting bad team coming back is not a good sign. If this is against a playoff team, Lakers would have lost.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:39 am

I realize there's no "D" in "D'Antoni," but it was almost like his defensive game plan was "let's dare Kyle Korver to beat us from the outside." :bang:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:41 am

nba2k14 wrote:>> If this is against a playoff team, Lakers would have lost.<<


The GSW game was all the proof you need.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:42 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:I realize there's no "D" in "D'Antoni," but it was almost like his defensive game plan was "let's dare Kyle Korver to beat us from the outside." :bang:


And I guess Rambis, the defensive coordinator, is just sitting over there doing everything right to?
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Re: WMC 13/14: Almost Korvered..... W (2-2)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:44 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:I realize there's no "D" in "D'Antoni," but it was almost like his defensive game plan was "let's dare Kyle Korver to beat us from the outside." :bang:


And I guess Rambis, the defensive coordinator, is just sitting over there doing everything right to?


If you're privy to Antoni's conversations with Rambis, then please tell us.
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