WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:05 am

without his scoring this team would be like 1-27. how can you say his scoring has just "helped" the team?

yes is D has been pretty bad this season but who's D hasn't been bad aside from artest, hill, and dwight on some occasions? this team as a whole is atrocious on D, it's not just kobe
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:05 am

JGC wrote:
432J wrote:
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432J wrote:kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Nobody is saying he's the problem.

oh really?

because i've seen numerous posters here saying that kobe is the problem or part of it


Well, there's a big difference between being the problem, and being part of the problem. I didn't think it was the case in the Clippers game though. He played a solid floor game.

Do I think he is a part of the problem in terms of why we're a sub .500 team? Yes. Do I think he is THE problem? No.

If you want a specific example... do I think his poor defense this season plays a part in our less than stellar record? Yes. Do I think his poor defense is THE reason for our less than stellar record, not at all.

At the same time, he is doing some things out there in terms of scoring that I think has helped this team. It's just about putting it all together.

I do think it is somewhat telling though, when you see plays like when Kobe passes to Dwight who has his back turned because he doesn't think he's going to get it and the ball goes out of bounds, occasionally off Dwight's head. And I may be wrong on this but, it feels like, to me, we haven't seen a Dwight basket off a Kobe assist in quite some time. I just think the chemistry is just not there between these two guys yet. Why exactly, I'm not sure but they don't seem at all like a dynamic duo to me.


seen very little on or off the court chemistry between the two. they don't seem to really like eachother that much.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Azndude2190 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:26 am

Without Kobe, we probably would have 2-3 wins this season.That said, when he tends to score ALOT we lose, but this is probably at the bottom of the list of issues we have as a team right now.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby OCLakersFan247 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:31 am

this team flat out sucks
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby DarthRekal on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:36 am

First.. New guys.. New system.. Need time to mesh...
then.. Mike brown is issue..
then... New coach new system need time to mesh...
then.. Wait for Nash...
then.. Wait for Nash to mesh..
tired of excuses.. These guys don't like each other or something..
so deflated.. Don't really care anymore.. Just pray Boston or heat don't win
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:38 am

DarthRekal wrote:First.. New guys.. New system.. Need time to mesh...
then.. Mike brown is issue..
then... New coach new system need time to mesh...
then.. Wait for Nash...
then.. Wait for Nash to mesh..
tired of excuses.. These guys don't like each other or something..
so deflated.. Don't really care anymore.. Just pray Boston or heat don't win


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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:39 am

OCLakersFan247 wrote:this team flat out sucks
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby GNC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:02 am

This just f****** sucks...
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby charvin on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:30 am

JVG was right, commenting on how offense wasn't the problem (even with Mike Brown in terms of points scored), it was just the defensive problems that were accumulating. Until this team starts to play defense, it is sadly looking more and more of a lost season.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:38 am

432J wrote:without his scoring this team would be like 1-27. how can you say his scoring has just "helped" the team?

yes is D has been pretty bad this season but who's D hasn't been bad aside from artest, hill, and dwight on some occasions? this team as a whole is atrocious on D, it's not just kobe


We simply don't know that. Remember 09-10 i think? When Kobe missed about 7 games and we had a tough stretch ahead and everyone was worried? What happened? We looked amazing because we didn't rely on one guy and we played amazing team basketball. I think we won in Portland and Utah and a couple of other huge wins. We don't know exactly how this team would respond if you took Kobe away. It could be better or worse. I know that sounds stupid initially but it's true. Just like when the Knicks took out Stoudamire, they should've gotten worse. Or when Melo came back last year, they should've gotten better. It's how the pieces mesh together. Who is to say that if you take Kobe out of this team, everyone would play better team ball, mesh together well and be harder to stop just like 09-10? I'm just saying.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Murdock on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:00 pm

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:How the hell can we get a guy who took a team full of mediocre to low end players (Nash), a guy who put a team on his back and was able drag them into the Finals (Dwight), and pair them with a guy who is the best scorer in the league having one of his best seasons ever (Kobe) and be 14 and 15? It's mind boggling. It's a statistical anomaly. It's like I'm living in a nightmare where the Lakers find ways to screw up the season while the Clippers are dominating and I can't seem to wake up.

before the season started I said that we will have problem with that many superstars ... everybody needs to change his game ... so far it led to Dwight playing back to the basket (what a terrible idea) Kobe being the same (well he is efficient this year so far) Pau and MWP becoming 3 point specialist ... not what I had in mind ...

plus the D is just awful ... only MWP, Hill, and D12 pretend to be defending ... the rest is just garbage
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Forward Three on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:03 pm

Okay, my new excuse for why the Lakers are so inexplicably checked out and play stretches of basketball that look completely phoned in and kind of insulting to basketball players and fans. It's allll TWC's fault and the 24/7 Lakers channel and putting cameras everywhere and following them around and trying to make a reality TV show out of their practices and playing up the LA vibe for TV. Players are too busy thinking about how they look when the cameras are rolling that they forget to actually practice.

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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:32 pm

I think what killed us this season (and will kill us next season) is our inability to sign young free agents due to our lack of cap space. David Stern and his league of crybaby owners got exactly what they wanted, the Lakers sucking and teams like GS and the Cloppers playing well. Unfortunatly we don't even have any draft picks to look forward too, and the only light at the end of the tunnel will be nobody except Nash (and maybe Dwight but if we miss the playoffs I wouldn't hold my breath) on the books after next season. It just sucks that Kobe's playing so great and yet his window is quickly slamming shut. Only hope I'm clinging too is that Mitch still has a few tricks up his sleeve, and if we can make it in the playoffs we can make a historic run into the Finals.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:37 pm

pau plays better and the whole team does. i really think its that simple. if pau finds a way to get himself going...hopefully against the nugs if dwight is out...than the whole team will follow suit. nash kobe hill and dwight have been pretty consistent with there games minus a game or 2 for dwight. other than that other guys need to find their games consistently and their roles. MWP's role is still not set imo as hes kind of an odd man out and meeks has been ice cold. duhon and blake are out and morris is terrible. jamison hasnt played.

if pau finds his game. mwp gets consistent again. meeks hits his shots. and jamison plays and i think this team will turn the corner
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby borri on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:37 pm

Pre-emptive WMC:

Good lord, Faried stole Pau's lunch once again.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby GoldenKnight on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:42 pm

Trade anyone not named Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, or Jordan Hill...
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby ThizGuy83 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:50 pm

remember when we were all this excited about this season... and we were all feeling like this...

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yea seems like its been forever since that feeling
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Azndude2190 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:10 pm

^That was my feeling before the preseason started. I've been down since we went 0-8 in the preseason. This season has been a nightmare. We don't even have draft picks anymore.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby kenzo on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:19 pm

brandonr2001 wrote:remember when we were all this excited about this season... and we were all feeling like this...

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yea seems like its been forever since that feeling

Not even once this season i felt that way. I did when we signed Steve and Dwight but it ended pretty quickly with preseason :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:43 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:Trade anyone not named Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, or Jordan Hill...


Sent this exact text, word-for-word, to a friend who asked for my thoughts after last night's game.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:01 pm

how the hell does Minnesota have a better record than us and they played without love for 14 games?!
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:50 pm

My other WMC is that now with D12 hating it here, that's going to make a lot of other players hesitate in wanting to come and play here with Kobe.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Weezy on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:13 pm

JGC wrote:My other WMC is that now with D12 hating it here, that's going to make a lot of other players hesitate in wanting to come and play here with Kobe.


I highly doubt that, everyone in the league knows what a baby Dwight is. Also, didn't Dwight top a lot of NBA's most hated players lists this offseason, because of his indecision and baby like ways? Players that come here know what they are getting into playing with Kobe, if they want to win they will deal with it, some even flourish with it. Especially those that value winning over having just having "fun", work hard, and aren't so sensitive, but know it's a job and deal with it like grown men.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:51 pm

Weezy wrote:
JGC wrote:My other WMC is that now with D12 hating it here, that's going to make a lot of other players hesitate in wanting to come and play here with Kobe.


I highly doubt that, everyone in the league knows what a baby Dwight is. Also, didn't Dwight top a lot of NBA's most hated players lists this offseason, because of his indecision and baby like ways? Players that come here know what they are getting into playing with Kobe, if they want to win they will deal with it, some even flourish with it. Especially those that value winning over having just having "fun", work hard, and aren't so sensitive, but know it's a job and deal with it like grown men.


Yeah, I don't know, it's not like we have the best track record with big name free agents wanting to come here. But this is now the 3rd big name big man where there has been drama. Shaq/Gasol/Dwight. I'm sure there's a fantastic reason for the drama but still, drama. And players can value winning but not want to deal with the drama right? What does it matter anyway, we won't be in a position to sign a free agent for years and years to come.

I don't remember the list exactly, but I remember what you're talking about. Wasn't Gasol one of the most hated? I find that hard to believe. It's probably just some pub looking to get hits.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Weezy on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:02 pm

I don't remember Pau being on the list, but I remember Howard. It was the list voted on by NBA players I believe, so this is straight from the source. As for Kobe and Pau drama, there really has been very little and for the most part they've had eachothers back, got 2 championships out of it. Got 3 championships out if the Shaq/Kobe drama, so maybe Dwight should just suck it up and play if he wants to win like those guys did. Or he can "have fun", get paid, and keep losing, I don't want players afraid of what Kobe demands to win coming here anyway honestly.

Really though, ignoring the drama, when did we even have money to sign big name free agents since Kobe's been here? Big name guys don't not come because of Kobe, it's because they want more than the MLE. Some guys have even taken less to come here or stay here though, Artest, Odom, Jamison to name a few. We get big names through trades though, not signings, and then we usually end up re-signing/extending them like with Pau (and Nash, and others, still possibly Dwight crazy enough) so it's not like they don't come, they just come in trade and get paid other ways than free agent money.
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