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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Balance&Options24 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:22 pm

We cant even put two good games in a row, teased with a game like Dallas then come homw and play like this.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:23 pm

Joey Crawford is a moron who has no business officiating NBA games.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:23 pm

BDG wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
BDG wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:THAT WAS A CLEAR CHARGE! like how can you not call that. that's BS.
THIS.

That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Not kidding.

This game seemed incredibly shady.


While I agree whole heartedly the call of the other end that sent MWP to the line was equally bad..... difference?... West hit one MWP didn't....
Well I mean if we just hit our freethrows (or even a few more), we're all in a jolly mood right now haha...


It was a horrid call but we have only ourselves to blame.... We need to find a way to win without giving Howard the ball in a close game.... He nearly missed the backboard on the second free throw.... :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby easyguy on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:24 pm

The Lakers need to devote one damn day just shooting free throws. They are NBA caliber players, yet they cannot hit a freaken free throw.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:24 pm

GoldHammish wrote:As much as I hate Joey Crawford and how pissed I was at that botched call, that .gif is freaking hilarious. What a [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] idiot.

word ... I'm going to die .. too much laughing looking at this gif
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby gill on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:26 pm

Isn't there a new rule where they can review blocks/charges in the last two minutes?
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 pm

gill wrote:Isn't there a new rule where they can review blocks/charges in the last two minutes?


yes but joey crawford has the final say as the lead ref. HE IS THE LAW!

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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 pm

can't miss 20+ free throws and win. plenty of things went wrong today. both teams shot terrible so the major ones were free throw shooting, turnovers, and that terrible charge call.

good play by duhon and just bs that Crawford called it a block. and called it in such a way that he was like 100% sure it was a block when there's noooo way it could have been.

DWIGHT has got to get better at free throws. shooting 50% is one thing. it's bad but at least it's 1 point per. shooting 25% out of 12 shots is beyond bad. like embarrassing
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:32 pm

BDG wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
BDG wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:THAT WAS A CLEAR CHARGE! like how can you not call that. that's BS.
THIS.

That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Not kidding.

This game seemed incredibly shady.


While I agree whole heartedly the call of the other end that sent MWP to the line was equally bad..... difference?... West hit one MWP didn't....
Well I mean if we just hit our freethrows (or even a few more), we're all in a jolly mood right now haha...


Actually, I wouldn't be happy at all B. We deserved this loss. Offense was piss pour and I can't stand living by the jumpshot. We made a ton in Dallas against a Dirk-less team and that win is very misleading. Tonight, we died by the jumper and I'm scared that we're going to be seeing this type of polarity the rest of the season. Love the guys efforts, but if you think that Metta, Jamison and Kobe will be shooting the 3 ball at a blistering high clip for the remainder of the season, you're kidding yourselves.

This is why I hate this offense soooo much.

We had no business winning tonight and you can say that the Lakers played bad and that the refs made some bad calls. But lets not act like the Pacers didn't play poorly either. Dwight's D definitely was a factor, but they missed some wide open jumpers of their own. This could have easily been a route for them.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby noobiew on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:32 pm

D'Antoni please explain to us why Pau was in the last possession in the ballgame ? Everyone in the world also know that Jordan Hill is faster and a better defender than Pau at that moment so why don't you put Hill in.

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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Jellincon on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:34 pm

Complaints? We lost. (7-8) :man5:

WMC:

-The offense is way too reliant on PG play and 3pt shooting. The point guard/Kobe is relied on too much to create for everyone. If guys are off and Kobe decides to start dominating, shots can't be easily created for others. I think some aspects of the Princeton should have been kept. That offense was a least good at getting guys good shots and didn't rely too much on one player to create everything for the team at all times.

-You live by the 3, you die by the 3. We shot (6-28). A lot of the misses were wide open and kept going in and out.

-Kobe forced the issue a bit tonight but besides Howard, no one else could really contribute offensively.

-Something has to be done about the FT shooting. This is just not going to cut it. We left 20 POINTS at the line tonight. Maybe D'Antoni needs to stress this more in practice or something but something has to be done. We could have iced the game if Metta and Howard didn't clank their FTs.

-Pau is bi-polar. He can't keep deciding to show up every other game. We probably win this game if he puts out the same effort he did against Dallas.

-Crawford must of had money on the game tonight. He tried everything in his power to screw us over tonight. Horrible officiating overall.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
BDG wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:THAT WAS A CLEAR CHARGE! like how can you not call that. that's BS.
THIS.

That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Not kidding.

This game seemed incredibly shady.


While I agree whole heartedly the call of the other end that sent MWP to the line was equally bad..... difference?... West hit one MWP didn't....

While I agree that we should've made FTs, that call for MWP was nowhere near as bad as the blocking foul. That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. And I'm pretty sure the MWP call was the other ref trying to compensate knowing Crawford had F'd us. Bad refereeing leads to bad refereeing. And it wasn't even a clear call the one on MWP. It could've gone both ways
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:42 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Funny how so many of these terrible loses have been paired with under 60% free throw shooting.

And I was told it wasn't important enough to make time for in practice.

:man10:

The problem is they make FTs in practice. Howard's reportedly hit over 80% of his practice FTs since the beginning of camp. It's just mental, I guess he's a choker at the line.
Jamison's missing FTs, I bet that doesn't happen in practice. MWP's always been streaky. Morris is a tool. Hill missing isn't a surprise.

Maybe they need a different shooting coach, but what do you do when the biggest problem is mental? Maybe that's where Phil could've helped.. Maybe we need to bring a therapist or something.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby quartzcharm on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:48 pm

Make a free throw! :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:48 pm

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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:50 pm

Finwë wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Funny how so many of these terrible loses have been paired with under 60% free throw shooting.

And I was told it wasn't important enough to make time for in practice.

:man10:

The problem is they make FTs in practice. Howard's reportedly hit over 80% of his practice FTs since the beginning of camp. It's just mental, I guess he's a choker at the line.
Jamison's missing FTs, I bet that doesn't happen in practice. MWP's always been streaky. Morris is a tool. Hill missing isn't a surprise.

Maybe they need a different shooting coach, but what do you do when the biggest problem is mental? Maybe that's where Phil could've helped.. Maybe we need to bring a therapist or something.

Howard takes just as much time to shoot each FT as Wilt Chamberlain. About 3 seconds flat. Like he doesn't care. No wonder they miss all the time. I bet he takes a lot longer in practice.

And who the hell taught him to shoot them from his chest??? :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:51 pm

We had the same problems last year with the offense. We lack shooters in the starting lineup; and unfortunately, the shooters we signed in the offseason (Meeks, Jamison) weren't able to get it going tonight. I know that's the understatement of the year.

It was a horrid performance. Turnovers, missed free throws, horrible shooting. If this offense is going to work we need more shooters and guys that can get up & down the floor. This roster just isn't going to cut it in D'Antoni's system.

Pau is way too passive. He had some decent stretches; then when he does, Pau completely makes you forget it by doing something that makes me want to throw something at my TV. Unfortunately, Nash isn't going to fix that; he needs to be traded.

The team is still too way too dependent on Kobe, obviously. The game was close and as I figured Kobe is the only one you can go too in those situations. He ran P&R with Pau one possession, it resulted in a turnover because of Pau's passivity, he played pick & roll with Dwight, Dwight attacked got fouled and clanked two free throws.

We need Nash back in those instances to setup Kobe and be another ball handler, shooter, automatic from the stripe, etc. He won't fix all our problems, but he will be another guy we can depend upon in the last 2-3 minutes of a game to make the CORRECT decisions...
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:51 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Funny how so many of these terrible loses have been paired with under 60% free throw shooting.

And I was told it wasn't important enough to make time for in practice.

:man10:

Lol, who told you that? Just making stuff up again?
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby StudentOfTheGame on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:56 pm

Free throws. Complete joke status. Missing 20 free throws in a game is reserved for high school ball.

Love Dwight and all that, but I'm not a fan of watching him smile and laugh while he's costing his team every night at the line. He's been terrible at it for years and there is no indication that it will ever improve.

To make it even more frustrating, a career scrub in Ian Mahimi made a huge impact for his team off the bench simply by knocking down free throws.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby GoldHammish on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:59 pm

StudentOfTheGame wrote:Free throws. Complete joke status. Missing 20 free throws in a game is reserved for high school ball.

Not even. My high school barely had an average basketball program, and no way our coach would have let 20 missed free throws fly.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby charvin on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:00 am

Not to mention, 5 points from the bench. 5.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:03 am

Where to begin? Dwight's free throwing, that would be a good place to start. He might very well be the worst free throw shooter I've ever seen. 25% from the line. That won't ever get it done and if you do that as one of the main players for your team you are sinking the team singlehandedly, which is basically what he did. I know the rest of the players didn't shoot well from the line either, but let's face it, bad free throwing is contagious and it all started tonight with D12. So I give him most of the blame for this one.

The bench also sucked mightily and so did the refs. But D12 sank us for sure in my opinion. You can't go 3 for 12 from the line and think it's not going to hurt your team. It did in a big way.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby StudentOfTheGame on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:09 am

^

Remember that time the Lakers sealed the 2009 Finals in part to Dwight missing two clutch free throws? Game 4 in Orlando, if I remember correctly.

Good times.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Pig Miller on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:16 am

at least we have a better record than charlotte and milwaukee.

actually, nevermind.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Complaints? First Road Win! (7-7)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:16 am

I'm frustrated but i think we'll be okay...we probably played the worst we could possibly play and still were in it at the end.

we have no nash and starting a 3rd string PG. i think for offensive once nash and blake are back itll be better for setting the pace and getting easier points.

just gotta make free throws and turn it over less.
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