WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: WMC about to explode (15-16)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:30 am

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Tragic wrote:This reminds me of 2004-2005. Which is crazy because we're way more talented than that year. It's shocking to me.


Well we have Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash. Back then we had Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton. What didnt change? :freak2: Kobe.

that was 03-04, not 04-05

04-05 we had kobe, lamar, butler, mihm, and odom
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:32 am

scheven wrote:Pau or MDA. One has got to go.

We're not going to pay both MB and D'Antoni's salaries while they aren't our coaches. I'm afraid we're stuck with MDA.

We need to trade Pau, plain and simple for youth and speed.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:36 am

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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:39 am

I think Pau checked out mentally a long time ago. I also think he will get his fire back with a new team that will feature him. Too many chefs in the kitchen in LA and Gasol was the odd man out. We need to get something for him before it's too late.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:44 am


Everything seems okay until to ask yourself why would the Pacers need Andrea when they already have guys like Hibbert, West, & Tyler
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Re: WMC 12/13: WMC about to explode (15-16)

Postby ramsay13 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:46 am

432J wrote:
ramsay13 wrote:
Tragic wrote:This reminds me of 2004-2005. Which is crazy because we're way more talented than that year. It's shocking to me.


Well we have Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash. Back then we had Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton. What didnt change? :freak2: Kobe.

that was 03-04, not 04-05

04-05 we had kobe, lamar, butler, mihm, and odom


well i was a year off, they had a [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] team that year, anyway. And as long as some one got what i meant, 03-04 good team made some noise but still sunk and now good team and are sinking quick.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby thisbjgz on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:06 am

I remember one now..

Ebanks laughing his @#$ off on the bench when CP3 got the AND-1
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby gradymac on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:11 am

how is morris in the league??
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Ar[C]heZ!A on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:12 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:

Everything seems okay until to ask yourself why would the Pacers need Andrea when they already have guys like Hibbert, West, & Tyler

Nothing seems OK. That trade is a dream and would be even better than the Howard trade.(Thinking Bynum was not injured back then) We would send Pau who is one of the worst PFs in the league right now and get Granger and Calderon?! Calderon is a very good pg and he always had one of the best AST/TO ratio in the league.

As for the WMC. I don't have any hope for this team except Kobe getting his points every night. It is a great pleasure to watch him but seeing all his efforts going for nothing with his useless teammates kills me. Without a trade, which should involve Pau certainly, this team won't win anything better than "The Biggest Failure/Dissappointment in The NBA History" award...

Pau, maybe he is not the worst PF but he is definitely the most harmful PF in the league. Because he WAS a very good player years ago he plays too many minutes and takes part(by taking part I, in no way, mean contributing. He is just occupying a one man spot in the roster and 1 square meter place on the court) in the game more than he deserves and that way he has a better chance/more minutes to ruin this team and destroy every hope we have. With his level of play no one would get 35mpg in this league, yet he gets it because of his history and uses those minutes to play like [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]!!

I know part of this post and many others are overreaction and there is still hope, but part of these complaints are unfortunately true too..
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby last stand on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:56 am

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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:16 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:

Everything seems okay until to ask yourself why would the Pacers need Andrea when they already have guys like Hibbert, West, & Tyler


To get rid of Granger, of course. :man10:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Murdock on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:33 am

couldn't have we just demote Brown to D coach position ... because this is just terrible ... we gotta be one of the worst defensive teams ... no effort, no structure, nothing
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby kenzo on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:35 am

^ Now, take out Dwight and imagine Pau playing C for 40mins a night :scurred:... :hurl:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:43 am

How the hell can we get a guy who took a team full of mediocre to low end players (Nash), a guy who put a team on his back and was able drag them into the Finals (Dwight), and pair them with a guy who is the best scorer in the league having one of his best seasons ever (Kobe) and be 14 and 15? It's mind boggling. It's a statistical anomaly. It's like I'm living in a nightmare where the Lakers find ways to screw up the season while the Clippers are dominating and I can't seem to wake up.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby MC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:55 am

Kome ball is the issue?

What about the system that is forcing it to become Kobe ball?

No player movement + average at best perimeter shooting + old + MDA = idiotic.

You know, for the roster that was perfect for him as is in this so called unified decision by the FO.

Now it's excuse after excuse?

please......... everyone and their mother knows what the issue is here and teams tend to take on the personality of their coach. Exactly what the Lakers, who should be coached by a defensive minded coach, are.... offense on the brain and not enough energy to make up for it on the defensive end. They need their focus there, they are built to play it if they are focused on it with the right sort of offense that takes advantage of weak-side off ball movement, screens and pace, not just ISOs or Nash P&R with 3 guys standing still hoping guys that aren't traditionally sharp shooters will all of a sudden become them.

When the perimeter shots aren't falling they are forced to go to ISO ball...... too easy to trap the P&R if you don't have the 3rd option available to you which is sharp shooting perimeter players. Better to get guys mid range looks off of screens and using your bigs between the pinch post and low post and use them to run guys off screens!

One play I like from MDA was the high post with Gasol running splits over the top and Howard trolling the low post area..... where did that go? it's again getting guys open of off screen like action with a good floor balance to defend the transition ..... use that type of action MORE!!!!! You might find the P&R starts opening up a bit once you force their defense to work around screens and double screens wearing them out with our SIZE softening up for the P&R game!!!!!! Mr. Offensive genius.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby themasterphil on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:45 am

its simple.....make trade for some young guys who can play defense, run and have desire to win, and please kick Ebanks out of this team.....its really simple to resolve this situation, its not hard at all.....just move 19 mil guy who score 2 points and play 0 defense
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:38 am

Sadly, we have become the Isiah Thomas era New York Knicks. In debt to our eyeballs with no cap relief to make a move. On the hook for TWO coaches' contracts. Superstars, some past their prime, that do not mesh together. This team is a total mess.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby odom1year on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:44 am

MDA misuses Pau. With D12, he should have to play better in both ends. MDA tells him to shoot 3 point. What a stupid gameplan.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:45 am

thisbjgz wrote:I remember one now..

Ebanks laughing his @#$ off on the bench when CP3 got the AND-1


It's okay. We will all be laughing our a**** off when he is out of the NBA, broke, working on his worthless rap career and driving around drunk to work on his street cred.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby odom1year on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:32 am

kenzo wrote:^ Now, take out Dwight and imagine Pau playing C for 40mins a night :scurred:... :hurl:


With D12 out, MDA still wants Pau to shoot 3 ball instead of playing inside game. That's the problem.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:45 am

kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:45 am

kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:46 am

432J wrote:kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Nobody is saying he's the problem.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:51 am

JGC wrote:
432J wrote:kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Nobody is saying he's the problem.

oh really?

because i've seen numerous posters here saying that kobe is the problem or part of it
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Re: WMC 12/13: Its all Kome Iso Faults (15-17)

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:02 am

432J wrote:
JGC wrote:
432J wrote:kobe is having such an amazing season and some of you are saying he's the problem?
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Nobody is saying he's the problem.

oh really?

because i've seen numerous posters here saying that kobe is the problem or part of it


Well, there's a big difference between being the problem, and being part of the problem. I didn't think it was the case in the Clippers game though. He played a solid floor game.

Do I think he is a part of the problem in terms of why we're a sub .500 team? Yes. Do I think he is THE problem? No.

If you want a specific example... do I think his poor defense this season plays a part in our less than stellar record? Yes. Do I think his poor defense is THE reason for our less than stellar record, not at all.

At the same time, he is doing some things out there in terms of scoring that I think has helped this team. It's just about putting it all together.

I do think it is somewhat telling though, when you see plays like when Kobe passes to Dwight who has his back turned because he doesn't think he's going to get it and the ball goes out of bounds, occasionally off Dwight's head. And I may be wrong on this but, it feels like, to me, we haven't seen a Dwight basket off a Kobe assist in quite some time. I just think the chemistry is just not there between these two guys yet. Why exactly, I'm not sure but they don't seem at all like a dynamic duo to me.
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