Vasashi17 wrote:The thing about that is, are our starting 5 being used effectively?
I don't think they are....and that is where MDA is hugely at fault.
Lakers starters - 75.3 ppg / 32.3 rpg / 16.8 apg / 5.4 steals / 4.1 blocks / 11.7 TPG / 47%FG / 83.8 eff.
Opponents - 67.6 ppg / 27.7 rpg / 16.3 apg / 5.7 steals / 3 blocks / 8.6 TPG / 46% FG / 76.9 eff.
Across the board offensively our starters are better than the opponents. It's your biased opinion against MDA for the reason they aren't being used effectively. On average with our starters on the floor we are winning offensively by 8 points a game. How much more effective should they be? Miami's starters in comparison outscore their opponents by 11 points a game on 88.8 efficiency. Is Spo not using his starters effectively either? A 3 point and 5 point swing in points/efficiency isn't that big of a drop off and Miami has one of the best starting units in the league.
If you are talking defense, I don't know what to tell you. This league has turned into a league full of athletes that can cover from the 3 point line to the paint in seconds. We on the other hand have 4 out of prime players in the starters with a prime player that just now is getting back into his old self. This isn't the Lakers championship team anymore.
Nash is almost 40 and has to guard the hardest position in basketball. Kobe is in his 17th season and can't consistently lock people down anymore. MWP is past his prime and one screen eliminates him on defense. Pau hasn't been able to play defense for years. That leaves D12 to cover for everybody. This team sucks defensively or not used effectively because they can't keep up with the league for 48 minutes.
This isn't 2008 anymore, those players that were in their prime, 5 years later they aren't anymore. You're expecting things from players on defense (previous posts confirm this), that simply can't be done anymore because they are 1-2 years from retirement. But this is MDA's fault?
What team has been effective with 4 of their 5 starters 1-2 years from retirement?
I love JVG, but he came out recently saying that MDA deserves respect for not forcing his quick offense on this team and going to the strengths of this team. So our huge front line is resorted to PnR or stretch players, while our guards dominate the ball and try to play set-up. Still 7 man rotations....since December. Please tell me otherwise, how the direction and utilization of this team hasn't been done correctly?
Have you seen D12 in the post? He sucks. He's the number 1 ranked pick and roll guy last year and it's MDA's fault because he's running pick and roll with the D12 and Nash the two best pick and roll players in the game. That's a joke man c'mon.
The Kobe and Pau pick and roll is a highly efficient play to run, so why not run it?
Stretch players? You are referring to Pau, I'm assuming, but if you have watched the games since his return he hasn't stretched the floor because he's been playing exclusively on the elbow and in the post. When was the last time Pau played a stretch anything? The beginning of the season? But it's MDA's fault he's moved by closer the basket.
Our guards play set up? WHO doesn't do that in the NBA? That's what basketball is, the perimeter players look for the bigs and score. You're blaming MDA for something 100% of the league does and that is the perimeter players play setup and dominate the ball.
7 man rotations since December? Is this a joke?
Dec.2 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 4 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 5 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 7 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 9 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 11 - 8 man rotation
Dec. 14 - 8 man rotation
Dec. 16 - 8 man rotation
Dec. 22 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 25 - 8 man rotation
Dec. 26 - 9 man rotation
Dec. 28 - 9 man rotation
Jan.1 - 8 man rotation
Jan.4 - 8 man rotation
Jan.6 - 9 man rotation
Jan.8 - 9 man rotation
Jan.9 - 9 man rotation
Jan.11 - 10 man rotation
Jan.13 - 9 man rotation
Jan.15 - 9 man rotation
Jan.17 - 8 man rotation
Jan.20 - 8 man rotation
Jan.21 - 8 man rotation
Jan.23 - 9 man rotation
Jan.25 - 9 man rotation
Jan.27 - 9 man rotation
Jan.29 - 9 man rotation
Jan.30 - 9 man rotation
Feb.1 - 8 man rotation
Feb.3 - 8 man rotation
Feb. 5 - 9 man rotation
Feb.7 - 9 man rotation
Feb 8 - 8 man rotation
Feb.10 - 8 man rotation
Feb.12 - 8 man rotation
Feb.14 - 8 man rotation
Feb.20 - 8 man rotation
Feb.22 - 8 man rotation
Feb.24 - 8 man rotation
Feb.25 - 8 man rotation
Feb.28 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 3 - 8 man rotation
Mar.5 - 8 man rotation
Mar.6 - 9 man rotation
Mar. 8 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 10 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 12 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 13 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 15 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 22 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 25 - 9 man rotation
Mar. 27 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 28 - 8 man rotation
Mar. 30 - 8 man rotation
Do your homework next time maybe? There was about 5 games that he went 7 man rotation since December. Mostly recently the 3 games so far in April where Nash/MWP are out.
We don't see the blitzing offense that we normally would with MDA....but his imprints are all over this mess. And just look at how low we have fallen on the defensive front even with capable defenders on this team....I respectfully disagree with JVG...MDA's imprints are all over this team. But it felt good to see JVG associated in some way with the Lakers...maybe its something to look forward to.
Are defensive has fallen off? I wonder why? It's not 2008-2010 anymore. We are an old team playing in a league where speed and youth kill. We have capable defenders by name only, not on court skill. Kobe can't lock down for entire games anymore, MWP can try but he's lost a step. Pau has never played defense effectively. Nash can't lock down anyone. We have two capable defenders. Clark and D12. The others have lost a step or weren't good to begin with. This is 2013 now, our players are on the decline, while the league is getting into their prime. You can't just say ohh we have Kobe/MWP/D12 we will be a good defensive team. It doesn't work that way.
We are top heavy, but if the top was used right, you don't need to overly rely on the bottom...right? In fact, if you utilize the top efficiently, you don't have to overuse the top....and maybe, just maybe...you don't drive these guys into an injury plagued season.
So why are you complaining about the 7 man rotations? Our top 5 is outplaying the opponents and winning by a nice margin, while playing efficiently. We should be winning all these games. We don't need to use the bench, we are winning with the starters. He overuses the starters because the bench can't be relied upon to hold leads. Combine that with the injuries to two starters and you get what we are seeing.
Drive these guys to an injury plagued season? What the hell is that?
Nash broke his leg in the beginning of the season
Kobe sprained his ankle by a dirty play by Jones
MWP tore his meniscus by slipping on a wet spot on the floor
Pau has been breaking down ever since last year
Blake got hurt stepping on a spike strip and pulled his ab muscle without contact
Hill got hurt for the season and he wasn't even playing starters minutes
D12 tore his labrum due to a guy stripping the ball from him
C'mon this is ridiculous. Those aren't injuries you get from being run into the ground. You're just trying to deflect blame on MDA because you have a biased opinion towards him. Look at this objectively.
Management needed to make the smaller moves to shore up the roster....but their most erroneous move was the hiring of MDA with far more accomplished and decorated candidates available. The season was lost then IMHO.
The most erroneous move was getting a super lineup without addressing the needs of the bench.
Lakers bench - 26.8 ppg / 12.5 reb / 5.3 apg / 1.8 spg / 1.0 bpg / 3 tpg / 44%FG / 30.2 eff
Opponents - 33.4 ppg / 15 reb / 7.1 apg / 2.9 spg / 1/8 bpg / 3.9 tpg / 44%FG / 38.0 eff
We are getting outplayed across the board because we have no depth. That's losing us ball games. MDA is a dumba** because he's trying to win ball games by playing the starters because the bench is getting outscored by the same margin, the starters gain.
It's easy to say ohhh MDA sucks and this and that, but when you actually take a step back there are a bunch of other variables that go into why this season has been a bust. MDA isn't the greatest coach by any means and I would like to see a different coach for the team, but to continually blame him for a team that is poorly assembled and lacks any depth beyond player 8 on the roster is just ignorance.