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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby JLaker17 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:30 am

I expected a loss to begin with, but all the Lakers really had to do was limit turnovers and get back on D and we win that game.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:37 am

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nameant wrote:Even if we were #1 in the west this was gonna be a tough game to get. Second night of a back to back in Denver against a young, energetic team?


Tough game against a pretty tough opponent these days. The reality is on a neutral court with rest Denver is a better team.... hurts, but it's the truth.


I don't agree Roos. Denver is explosive that is true. However, they broke out their margin of victory in the second quarter when we looked like we were in quicksand. The second half we out played them pretty effectively. Missed free throws and not getting back really hurt us. I am not saying we are a great transition team but we do seem to get better as the games progress. I look at the few blown layups by us, the weird rebounds or bounces and everyone clanking free throws and say if we cleaned up one of those its a different game. I know "If "IF" was a fifth we would all be drunk" but for me I didn't see a convincingly better team in Denver.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:12 am

borri wrote:Why are people upset over this loss? B2B @ DEN? 10% chance of winning going in.


^^ This. I absolutely expected a loss. I thought it would take a Herculean effort for them to win last night. This loss was almost a given. Back to back in Denver, mile high altitude, where the Nuggs have only lost three games all year long, coming on the heels of a gritty, back and forth battle with Dallas? Come on. They got kind of run out of the building by a younger, quicker, rested team that is good to begin with and a tough matchup with us even on equal footing? Surprise, surprise.

We all picked this one as a loss. Move on. On to the next games at home. They need to win both of those.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:19 am

Denver has more athletes, plays better team ball because they have no stars, has more shooters, is 36-22 to our 28-30, and has beaten us 3 of 4 times this season. I don't know man, they sure seem like a better team, this isn't about on paper or potential, in reality I think they're better, and a bad matchup for us.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:22 am

Weezy wrote:Denver has more athletes, plays better team ball because they have no stars, has more shooters, is 36-22 to our 28-30, and has beaten us 3 of 4 times this season. I don't know man, they sure seem like a better team, this isn't about on paper or potential, in reality I think they're better, and a bad matchup for us.


^^ They are a tough matchup for us no matter what, definitely. Better? I don't think so if we had a healthy Gasol and a healthy Hill in addition to what we have now. But always dangerous, and kind of our kryptonite for the reasons you mentioned.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:45 am

its gona be interesting if Mem/Den meet, talk bout polar opposites.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:49 am

I still think they are better. Again I'm talking reality not on paper or potential or going on our franchise name and past, in reality we are not that good. Yeah, we've been 11-5 the last 16, but who did we beat that was that great? All our wins are against crap to good teams at best, all our losses are to top teams, Miami, OKC, Memphis, Chicago, Clippers, Denver. Almost every time we face legit teams we lose or even get destroyed, we're better, but still not that good when it matters. What in the end does better mean if not a better record and beating you every time they play you, that criteria makes them better by every definition I can think of.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:54 am

Can't keep blaming stuff on altitude and back2backs. I'm sure we're not the only the only team who's played back2backs and we're darn sure not the only team's who's played in Denver experiencing their high altitude. It's the just the simple truth that we don't matchup well with teams like these.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:57 am

^^^ Denver is 24-3 at home. We are one of the many teams that have gone up there only to be heading home with a loss.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby dj vitus on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:44 am

To me, it seemed like the deficit never got out of hand because neither team can effectively defend each other.

Like the other two losses, Denver showed they can keep pace with us offensively as long as they can build a nice, early lead. Heck, they even kept pace with us in their only loss, but they just couldn't manage to stop us down the stretch.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:10 pm

what's our record when joey crawford officiates? i'd really like to see that.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:15 pm

Probably s*****. Thank God the other refs were there in 2010 Game 7 of the Finals to diffuse his idiocracy
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:46 pm

I swear J. Crawford is the most hated ref by any fanbase that know ref's by name :man10: , seems like every team forum I read it always point out Crawford hate for their team :man10: also Violet Palmer is a horrible ref as well, not cause she's a woman she just sucks.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:49 pm

By the end of the week we will FINALLY reach .500 (Wolves/Hawks in L.A) unfortunately we play @ OKC right after, but then get back to .500 after we beat the Hornets in a close game of a back2back :jam2:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Juronimo on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:59 pm

khmrP wrote:I swear J. Crawford is the most hated ref by any fanbase that know ref's by name :man10: , seems like every team forum I read it always point out Crawford hate for their team :man10: also Violet Palmer is a horrible ref as well, not cause she's a woman she just sucks.


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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:48 pm

I don't really think Denver is better than us...we can expect to lose at Denver any time we play there...esp on 2nd night of a b2b. Yesterday was a weird game because we were getting beat on ISO plays by guys that are NOT good at going ISO...guys like ANDRE MILLER were beating us off the dribble and scoring over Dwight and Kobe...that should NEVER happen...and i attribute that to the b2b and lack of energy from our team with the high altitude...there's a reason taht team is 24-3 at home.

I hope our team finally gets back to .500 by the end of this week...we absolutely have to take care of both Minny and ATL...and then hope we can stick with OKC and not lose 2 in a row because NOH is a tough team lately.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:23 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:I don't really think Denver is better than us...we can expect to lose at Denver any time we play there...esp on 2nd night of a b2b.

I dunno man, it's hard to deny that they are not better. Even their road record is superior to ours. I agree it is difficult to ball there, as well as with the b2b factors, but man....look at how they gel on the floor. That just shows they are better.

They force a bunch of TO's, get down on the break, have great ball distribution, and you can SEE that they LOVE playing with each other. Denver's a good team......
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby gcclaker on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:28 pm

Juronimo wrote:
khmrP wrote:I swear J. Crawford is the most hated ref by any fanbase that know ref's by name :man10: , seems like every team forum I read it always point out Crawford hate for their team :man10: also Violet Palmer is a horrible ref as well, not cause she's a woman she just sucks.

You know the Spurs got mad love for Joey, especially Timmy.

Both parties have a laugh-riot relationship...
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Juronimo on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:01 pm

gcclaker wrote:
Juronimo wrote:
khmrP wrote:I swear J. Crawford is the most hated ref by any fanbase that know ref's by name :man10: , seems like every team forum I read it always point out Crawford hate for their team :man10: also Violet Palmer is a horrible ref as well, not cause she's a woman she just sucks.

You know the Spurs got mad love for Joey, especially Timmy.

Both parties have a laugh-riot relationship...


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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:00 pm

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nameant wrote:Even if we were #1 in the west this was gonna be a tough game to get. Second night of a back to back in Denver against a young, energetic team?


Tough game against a pretty tough opponent these days. The reality is on a neutral court with rest Denver is a better team.... hurts, but it's the truth.


I don't agree Roos. Denver is explosive that is true. However, they broke out their margin of victory in the second quarter when we looked like we were in quicksand. The second half we out played them pretty effectively. Missed free throws and not getting back really hurt us. I am not saying we are a great transition team but we do seem to get better as the games progress. I look at the few blown layups by us, the weird rebounds or bounces and everyone clanking free throws and say if we cleaned up one of those its a different game. I know "If "IF" was a fifth we would all be drunk" but for me I didn't see a convincingly better team in Denver.



Well Puffy..... we can debate player vs player or coach or system or whatever..... what we can't debate is results. They are 8 full games in front of us and have the decided edge head to head. That's the only metric that counts isn't it?

Missing free throws is what we need to get used to as a fan base if Howard is staying. He isn't getting any better than maybe 55% or so.... that means we start games 5 to 7 points in the hole from the tip off......

That's the crazy thing about this season isn't it? We swap Bynum for Howard and Fisher/Sessions for Nash and drop 20 games in the standings..... The only ones still living the dream are the fans at this point.

The team is what it is..... that is not really that good. Injuries have hurt but I'm not sure we can point to them because even when we weren't that injured we weren't that good.

We're too "shallow" and we have too many "Alphas" who aren't that good off the ball. We have no "balance" on the floor and are running a system that has never won a championship. We have a GM that has given glowing votes of confidence in both Howard and the system/coach..... That's what it is.....
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:12 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
FabFourLakers wrote:I don't really think Denver is better than us...we can expect to lose at Denver any time we play there...esp on 2nd night of a b2b.

I dunno man, it's hard to deny that they are not better. Even their road record is superior to ours. I agree it is difficult to ball there, as well as with the b2b factors, but man....look at how they gel on the floor. That just shows they are better.

They force a bunch of TO's, get down on the break, have great ball distribution, and you can SEE that they LOVE playing with each other. Denver's a good team......


A lot of teams are better than us if you by our overall record. If we finish the season playing .700 ball there would only be 3-4 teams actually better
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:53 pm

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Well Puffy..... we can debate player vs player or coach or system or whatever..... what we can't debate is results. They are 8 full games in front of us and have the decided edge head to head. That's the only metric that counts isn't it?

Missing free throws is what we need to get used to as a fan base if Howard is staying. He isn't getting any better than maybe 55% or so.... that means we start games 5 to 7 points in the hole from the tip off......

That's the crazy thing about this season isn't it? We swap Bynum for Howard and Fisher/Sessions for Nash and drop 20 games in the standings..... The only ones still living the dream are the fans at this point.

The team is what it is..... that is not really that good. Injuries have hurt but I'm not sure we can point to them because even when we weren't that injured we weren't that good.

We're too "shallow" and we have too many "Alphas" who aren't that good off the ball. We have no "balance" on the floor and are running a system that has never won a championship. We have a GM that has given glowing votes of confidence in both Howard and the system/coach..... That's what it is.....


I can see your point if that is the metric you chose. I remember before the Lebron effect all the talk was how the weak the Eastern conference was so much so that the 10th seed in the West was top 3 in the East. I use that to say records doesn't always mean "better." I won't say anyone is wrong for saying that they have a better record and they won the season series against us thus they are better. I for one just don't believe it. Call me a fan or fanboy (not saying you did) but thats what I saw.

As far as freethrows you are right we have to get use to it. His mechanics look much better but that doesn't mean he will get up to 60%. It is what it is. However, we have also shown that we can overcome that when we have energy on both ends of the court. Haven't we had that over the last several games?

What I don't get is how easily we dismiss the "injuries" as a main issue. Our main players have played app 20 games together this season. We have had 2 coaches, 3 systems and a ton of injuries. I know it seems shallow or "excuse" like to point to that but I think it has been a major issue. We have seen what happens when they have all gotten together. I look at that as the positive. Will it mean playoffs? I don't know. Does it mean Championship if we make it the playoffs? Long shot of course. In the end, we have seen that now that Dwight is showing energy and effort we look like a playoff team that can compete. That has a lot to do with health of our center in my opinion.

I agree we could use a little more balance but that is not stopping us from competeing. Our entire issue has been around effort and energy. Kobe started playing from the post and the guys started doing what Mike's offense said in moving without the ball. We move and we have improved. Do we need some changes? More than likely. Is the season over? I don't think so but that is just me.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:53 pm

Eh. It's all about control.

Right now our team chemistry is a whopping 1% and that's driven off of Dr. Buss's passing. The key to beating a team that's faster and more athletic than you is controlling the tempo of the game. If we keep our turnovers low and shoot high percentage shots, we can beat that team. Plain and simple.

Unfortunately we can't do those things right now. Partly because we're banged up, but partly because we don't know each other yet as a team. It might sound weird since we've had almost a full season together, but that kind of knowledge about another player comes with continuity and with time. We've had neither of those.

Right now? Sure. They're the better team. They're the 5th seed and we're fighting for the 8th. That should say everything you need to hear right there.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby Lakeshow24 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:29 am

It was obvious the Lakers were losing that game from the opening tip. My goodness the pace was WAY too fast for any old team to handle. I had it on DVR (along with the Kings game), and after the 1st Qtr I decided to fast forward my way through the game to end the misery. I saw the score get into borderline blowout territory and I just went ahead and used my reserve energy to watch that Kings game.

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Re: WMC 12/13: Missed free throws, no Trans D = no .500 (28-30)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:11 am

apparently we lead the league in most fastbreak points allowed.

yeah, we're not winning with that.
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