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Postby JLaker17 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:45 pm

Barnes here we'd still have the same problem in my opinion, which would be effort on defense. I think its more annoying that we aren't over .500 and the Clippers are absolutely dominating.
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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:00 pm

TNT crew said it best.

help, recover, get back. repeat.

thats what the clippers do and thats what we should do on D. we ned guys to bring the effort and energy and a coach to practice it.
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Postby hollywood swinger on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:03 pm

pau is finished. time to cut bait with this waste of 18mil. trade him for any dynamic player we can get.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:04 pm

Ariza3 wrote:TNT crew said it best.

help, recover, get back. repeat.

thats what the clippers do and thats what we should do on D. we ned guys to bring the effort and energy and a coach to practice it.


10 people played at least 7 minutes for the Clips in the first half against the C's.... it's easy to play your butt off for 3 to 4 minute stretches when your that deep..... add in that they are fairly young at most positions and you can see why they can do it and we can't.

We are about 8 deep and our best player HAS to play 36 minutes for us to have a shot at a win right now....
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:27 pm

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So Puffy, is it a conspiracy?...... or just circumstance? Why play or follow the team if you believe it's a conspiracy? If it's circumstance it will even out in the end won't it? Reversion to the Mean or the Law of Averages will take over at some point.

We already shoot more free throws than anyone in the league.... by a long ways in fact over the teams that everyone seems to think get favored so I just don't see the "Stern is out to get us angle" here....

Either way I don't think there is a way you can pin the Denver loss on the Refs.... Age, inconstancy, system not matching the personnel and rigid coaching style seem to be a more appropriate target to me.....

Why does it have to be a conspiracy because I acknowledge lopsided officiating that can effect games? Heck, is it wrong to say Joey Crawford has it against Timmy D? Officials have their own bias just as we as fans do. As far as the "law of averages" is concerened sure that sounds great but when will it level out? After Dwight is so frustrated by getting hacked he takes an ill-advised hard foul? Will it be in the next game when we are already up by 20 and then we get the touch calls? Again, my point is consistancy don't let Pau get pushed clearly under the basket without a call then call a foul on Nash who gets run into on the other end. Is that too much to ask?

In the end, some posters like like to blame Kobe as the most appropriate target. Then there are some who think Pau is the most appropriate target. MDA, System, Jim Buss, Turnovers, Fouls, Foulshots etc..etc..etc..etc... For me, personally, I think the officiating of the last 4 games is disgusting and costly.
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Postby khmrP on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:51 pm

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Saw that. What exactly is that?

Inflammation of the fascia (a fibrous connective tissue) in the arch area of the bottom of your foot.


that thing is painful, i had it in one foot and then you favor the good foot and the good foot eventually gets it, took me 6 months to get better but these guys gets professional type treatment I just had to wait it out.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby khmrP on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:54 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:TNT crew said it best.

help, recover, get back. repeat.

thats what the clippers do and thats what we should do on D. we ned guys to bring the effort and energy and a coach to practice it.


10 people played at least 7 minutes for the Clips in the first half against the C's.... it's easy to play your butt off for 3 to 4 minute stretches when your that deep..... add in that they are fairly young at most positions and you can see why they can do it and we can't.

We are about 8 deep and our best player HAS to play 36 minutes for us to have a shot at a win right now....

Barnes sure is making Mgmt. decision to keep Ebanks looking better by the day :man6: wtf were they thinking :bang: I know all you guys like to harp/moan bout his playoff performance but dam dude is killing it out there now and even his ugly playoff shooting still he effects the game way more then Ebanks on the defensive side.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby easyguy on Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:33 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
So Puffy, is it a conspiracy?...... or just circumstance? Why play or follow the team if you believe it's a conspiracy? If it's circumstance it will even out in the end won't it? Reversion to the Mean or the Law of Averages will take over at some point.

We already shoot more free throws than anyone in the league.... by a long ways in fact over the teams that everyone seems to think get favored so I just don't see the "Stern is out to get us angle" here....

Either way I don't think there is a way you can pin the Denver loss on the Refs.... Age, inconstancy, system not matching the personnel and rigid coaching style seem to be a more appropriate target to me.....

Why does it have to be a conspiracy because I acknowledge lopsided officiating that can effect games? Heck, is it wrong to say Joey Crawford has it against Timmy D? Officials have their own bias just as we as fans do. As far as the "law of averages" is concerened sure that sounds great but when will it level out? After Dwight is so frustrated by getting hacked he takes an ill-advised hard foul? Will it be in the next game when we are already up by 20 and then we get the touch calls? Again, my point is consistancy don't let Pau get pushed clearly under the basket without a call then call a foul on Nash who gets run into on the other end. Is that too much to ask?

In the end, some posters like like to blame Kobe as the most appropriate target. Then there are some who think Pau is the most appropriate target. MDA, System, Jim Buss, Turnovers, Fouls, Foulshots etc..etc..etc..etc... For me, personally, I think the officiating of the last 4 games is disgusting and costly.



How can you be upset over something that is out of your hand or out of the Lakers hands? The best they can do is play a good game all around. Play defense that have never been played before, play with passion, play with motivation, play with a purpose. When we are up by 30pts, what can the refs do? I've seen games where the refs try to keep the game tight by calling silly calls, but to no avail, the other team just basically have this purpose and the passion to overcome anything.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby JGC on Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:41 pm

easyguy wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
So Puffy, is it a conspiracy?...... or just circumstance? Why play or follow the team if you believe it's a conspiracy? If it's circumstance it will even out in the end won't it? Reversion to the Mean or the Law of Averages will take over at some point.

We already shoot more free throws than anyone in the league.... by a long ways in fact over the teams that everyone seems to think get favored so I just don't see the "Stern is out to get us angle" here....

Either way I don't think there is a way you can pin the Denver loss on the Refs.... Age, inconstancy, system not matching the personnel and rigid coaching style seem to be a more appropriate target to me.....

Why does it have to be a conspiracy because I acknowledge lopsided officiating that can effect games? Heck, is it wrong to say Joey Crawford has it against Timmy D? Officials have their own bias just as we as fans do. As far as the "law of averages" is concerened sure that sounds great but when will it level out? After Dwight is so frustrated by getting hacked he takes an ill-advised hard foul? Will it be in the next game when we are already up by 20 and then we get the touch calls? Again, my point is consistancy don't let Pau get pushed clearly under the basket without a call then call a foul on Nash who gets run into on the other end. Is that too much to ask?

In the end, some posters like like to blame Kobe as the most appropriate target. Then there are some who think Pau is the most appropriate target. MDA, System, Jim Buss, Turnovers, Fouls, Foulshots etc..etc..etc..etc... For me, personally, I think the officiating of the last 4 games is disgusting and costly.



How can you be upset over something that is out of your hand or out of the Lakers hands? The best they can do is play a good game all around. Play defense that have never been played before, play with passion, play with motivation, play with a purpose. When we are up by 30pts, what can the refs do? I've seen games where the refs try to keep the game tight by calling silly calls, but to no avail, the other team just basically have this purpose and the passion to overcome anything.


This. If we played an otherwise great game and lost because of a poor call or two down the stretch I might be inclined to blame the officials. But I honestly don't know how anyone can watch those games, watch the way we played as a team, and then say we were not the reason for the losses. I mean, we didn't even look very good in most of our recent wins (outside of the Xmas day game).

Honestly, it just reeks of sour grapes to me to complain about the refs after a game. I mean, I know, every fan of every team does it and every fan thinks the league is out to get them. I guess I just want us to be above fans of other teams.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:24 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
So Puffy, is it a conspiracy?...... or just circumstance? Why play or follow the team if you believe it's a conspiracy? If it's circumstance it will even out in the end won't it? Reversion to the Mean or the Law of Averages will take over at some point.

We already shoot more free throws than anyone in the league.... by a long ways in fact over the teams that everyone seems to think get favored so I just don't see the "Stern is out to get us angle" here....

Either way I don't think there is a way you can pin the Denver loss on the Refs.... Age, inconstancy, system not matching the personnel and rigid coaching style seem to be a more appropriate target to me.....

Why does it have to be a conspiracy because I acknowledge lopsided officiating that can effect games? Heck, is it wrong to say Joey Crawford has it against Timmy D? Officials have their own bias just as we as fans do. As far as the "law of averages" is concerened sure that sounds great but when will it level out? After Dwight is so frustrated by getting hacked he takes an ill-advised hard foul? Will it be in the next game when we are already up by 20 and then we get the touch calls? Again, my point is consistancy don't let Pau get pushed clearly under the basket without a call then call a foul on Nash who gets run into on the other end. Is that too much to ask?

In the end, some posters like like to blame Kobe as the most appropriate target. Then there are some who think Pau is the most appropriate target. MDA, System, Jim Buss, Turnovers, Fouls, Foulshots etc..etc..etc..etc... For me, personally, I think the officiating of the last 4 games is disgusting and costly.


I didn't say is "had to be a conspiracy"... I asked if you thought it was. A trend of poor officiating has but a few conclusions if you follow it through. Either it's intentional or random.... not much between that has a rational basis IMHO.

We got a few bad calls and several that should have been called over the last few games but I don't think it's influencing the games as much as you...... I haven't seen a game where the officiating has determined the game yet this year in fact.

The team isn't playing well and there is a lack of chemistry.... especially on the defensive end. I see no connection to officiating that leads to that end.

You seem to want to connect Howard's lapse in judgement on previous no calls.... Again, I cannot see cause and effect in this either. He's frustrated, I agree, but I'm not letting the coach and other players off the hook for that frustration and putting it on the "boogie man" referees. He's being hung out to dry on a play by play basis by his teammates.... not the Refs. His huge advantage in the post is being overlooked by the Coach.... not the Refs. He's been officiated differently from the beginning of his career.... just like Shaq. I think by now he understands it.

I'm all for the Lakers playing up to their potential and not having to lay blame anywhere...... :man12:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Raped. Plain. And. Simple. (14-15)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:52 pm

if we kept barnes instead ebanks, and actually showed some care to players and went hard after sessions selling him on learning from Nash (who would have been starting so far until Nash got back)...we could have been playing a bench unit of:

Sessions
Meeks
Barnes
Metta
Hill

that would have been amazing. even just Blake/Duhon if sessions still didn't resign just playing Barnes and Metta together would have been awesome defensively and definitely on the bada** tough guy scale. or even starting Barnes and putting Jamison in the bench would be amazing. letting go of Barnes without even trying to resign him was very stupid of us. especially him playing with Nash would have done wonders. look what cp3 is doing or Bledsoe.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:07 pm

Barnes left because of Mike Brown.
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Postby The Rock on Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:13 pm

How soon you guys forget, Barnes had some monster games with us early in the year. The dude wears down later in the year. RIght now hes playing harder than everyone else and it comes in handy but come March/April and playoffs when EVERYONE is hustling and playing hard the dude gets exposed for his lack of skills

Also all he does is shoot and gets cleanup opportunities, its not like hes creating for himself and become some go to scorer. He had more responsibilties here and he didn't play at an adequate rate...wait till the playoffs come around when the game slows down the dudes inability to knock down an open jumpshot will get exposed
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Postby kenzo on Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:16 pm

... and Sessions wanted no part of Los Angeles. He took the same amount of $ to play for the freakin Bobcats.
As for Barnes, i was pissed the minute we let him go. I loved his energy, he would look realy good with Nash on the court :bang:
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Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:51 pm

Morris plays 6 minutes and gives us nothing positive in the box score. I think starting Ebanks would be smarter. he can give the same d if not better and way more with his ability to rebound, finish at the rim, hit mid range, etc.

way rather start Ebanks than Morris especially if its only or 5-6 minutes a game.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:38 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Morris plays 6 minutes and gives us nothing positive in the box score. I think starting Ebanks would be smarter. he can give the same d if not better and way more with his ability to rebound, finish at the rim, hit mid range, etc.

way rather start Ebanks than Morris especially if its only or 5-6 minutes a game.


ebanks is probably a worse player than morris at this point. and thats saying a lot.
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Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:46 pm

kenzo wrote:... and Sessions wanted no part of Los Angeles. He took the same amount of $ to play for the freakin Bobcats.
As for Barnes, i was pissed the minute we let him go. I loved his energy, he would look realy good with Nash on the court :bang:

F** Sessions. He was scared of the spotlight and screwed us over in the playoffs. As for Barnes he's playing well in the regular season just like he did with us and he'll choke in the playoffs just like he did with us as well.
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Postby v1n5anity on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:01 pm

Why do people insist that he will choke in the playoffs? The only reason that happened when he played for us was because he got injured at the worst time (right before playoffs). Not everyone is Kobe Bryant and can play through injury.
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Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:10 pm

Matt Barnes spent two years with the Lakers before leaving for the Clippers.

The Clippers (23-6) are currently riding a 15-game win streak and Barnes is averaging 11 points a game on 50.2% shooting from the field.

According to an NBA executive, one of the main reasons the Clippers have won so many in a row is "Matt Barnes is playing out of his mind."

When told of the comments, Barnes' response included a slam of ex-Lakers coach, Mike Brown.

"I've been working hard these past few summers. Last year, playing with the Lakers, I was told when I could shoot. If I made mistakes, I'd come out of the game," said Barnes. "This year [Coach] Vinny [Del Negro] has installed a lot of trust in me. He lets me go out there and play my game. If I mess up, he still sticks with me and that goes a long way with any player."

Barnes' year with Phil Jackson was a disappointment when he simply wasn't healthy for the postseason. Last year the forward played 63 games, in the lockout-shortened 66-game regular season, for Brown, averaging 7.8 points a game on 45.2% shooting. While he was banged up throughout the playoffs once again, Barnes clearly didn't feel like he had Brown's trust.

"Coach [Del Negro] has confidence in me; that's all I need," said Barnes. "I can play. I've just been stuck in a bad situation for a little while."

Of course now that the Lakers have Coach Mike D'Antoni running the team, Barnes would have been a much more natural fit. Over the offseason, the Lakers did not look to re-sign him and the Clippers were happy to bring the veteran aboard for his second stint with the team.

The Lakers and Clippers meet again at Staples Center on Friday January 4. The Clippers took the first game on Nov. 2, 105-95.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:20 pm

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The thing about Matt Barnes' comments re: Lakers. It was more about who was in charge at the

time - Coach Mike Brown. Matt didn't feel like he was trusted - that he was told when to shoot - any mistake and he'd be benched.

Meanwhile Barnes raved about Vinny Del Negro and the trust he's given him - allowing him to play freely - make mistakes and keep balling.

Matt is having a great year for the Clippers - but Brown wasn't all to blame - Barnes was hobbled late in the year with injury.

http://www.latimes.com...


He didn't want to be here because of the coach.
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Postby cthroatgtr on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:20 pm

For all of the great trades that Mitch has done, his talent evaluation has left something to be desired. Morris has the athletic ability but missing it between the ears. Ebanks...just doesn't have the motor. Glock was what he was destined to be an undersized SG with no handle. Perhaps he should trade all picks and let the other teams weed out the players. I mean Hill proved to be a steal.

Really don't understand starting Morris and then putting him on Melo. Melo plays SF & PF and you put a PG on him???? If you want MWP off the bench along with Meeks perhaps try Jamison with the starters. I don't know what else you got to work with. MWP at PF means Jamison is a man without a country though I think he would do well along with MWP. I wish we could give Morris a brain transplant. I mean I know athletes are dumb but come on already.

I still trade Pau. I don't think it is a fluke his numbers have been in decline ever since Bynum got healthy...he doesn't work at PF.
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:23 pm

After reading what Barnes said about his time here, Mike Brown effed us over in the free agent department. :man2:
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Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:27 pm

if we had dantoni from the offseason im sure wed have a better bench than we do now. barnes would prob be here still. might have help sessions wanting to stay. grant hill would have come here for sure.

Nash/Sessions or Blake
Kobe/Meeks
Grant/Barnes
Pau/Metta/Jamison
Dwight/Hill

bench would have been solid. f u mike brown
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Postby Nashty Gal on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:29 pm

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Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:35 pm

V1n5anity wrote:Why do people insist that he will choke in the playoffs? The only reason that happened when he played for us was because he got injured at the worst time (right before playoffs). Not everyone is Kobe Bryant and can play through injury.

Because he's never been a good playoff performer. History tends to repeat itself,
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