WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:07 pm

I am so tired of losing....the word "patience" is making me inpatient.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:45 pm

Wmc:

*dont play Howie and Hill together
*MWP should not have more shots than Howie
*DONT PLAY MORRIS AT ALL!
*Try and mix in 2 Starters with the bench unit
*Stop playing Jamison out of position
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby raviator on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:28 pm

432J wrote:artest really needs to cut down on the shots

does anyone else cringe whenever the ball lands in his hands?


I'm actually starting to cringe more when Morris has the ball.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby Kit on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:29 pm

I thought Morris played some great D last night.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby jOeyB7000 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:06 pm

Kit wrote:I thought Morris played some great D last night.



So did I. He was actually able to keep Parker in front of him minus a few times he got picked off on a screen.

I'm not a stat junkie, but if anyone can pull up the advanced stats for when Morris was on Parker it would be really appreciated.

On offense however, Morris is a freakin train wreck. I think they should only play Morris with Kobe and have Morris play a Fisher type role aka camp out in the corner and hit the 3. Anything more than that is a turnover waiting to happen.

My WMC: That line up to close out the game.. MWP/Kob/Jamison/Pau/D12.. At the critical juncture in the game when we absolutely have to tighten the screws on D, we give the Spurs the advantage of a HUGE mismatch by putting MWP on Parker. Jamison is good to spread the floor I guess but we all know his D is nothing to write home about.

All in all, this was a very winnable game and our lack of execution is what cost us at the end. I don't believe in moral victories, but if I did then this would go in the moral victory column. We have shown improvement every single game since we got rid of Brown and if we would have faced the Spurs last week with Brown at the helm, I'm confident we would have gotten blown out by 20+. We are taking steps in the right direction and with a real coach on board this weekend I expect us to keep improving.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby 432J on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:48 pm

raviator wrote:
432J wrote:artest really needs to cut down on the shots

does anyone else cringe whenever the ball lands in his hands?


I'm actually starting to cringe more when Morris has the ball.

i cringe whenever morris is within 10 ft of the court
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby Kit on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:49 pm

I hope MDA set him straight.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby The Rock on Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:08 pm

- We need to get better at taking care of the ball
- We need to make better % of free throws

its one or the other. We cant lose in both categories. Squandering scoring opportunities at the free throw line AND giving the opponent more possessions to work with will lead to an L even if you're leading the rebounding battle and shooting a high % from the field. We have to take care of the ball and maximize each posession

Guys like MWP and Meeks need to strop dribbling too much
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby Tragic on Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:25 pm

Jordan Hill and 'Tawn shouldn't be so unselfish when catching the ball so deep in the post. Commit and take it to the basket. We had so many turnovers over unnecessary passes.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby thkthebest on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:07 pm

I think turnovers will be an issue for this team...basically the entire year, especially without Nash. But if Lakers can cut down about 3 turnovers a game (about 15 a game), I think we'll be fine.

Last season, OKC, Miami, and Boston were all pretty bad at taking care of the ball too.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby JGC on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:59 pm

Why is no one talking about our inability to get the ball inside? We got almost nothing for Howard all game long. We had the same issues last year as well.

For me, that was the #1 problem. Not taking advantage of our .... umm biggest advantage.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby Finwë on Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:17 pm

JGC wrote:Why is no one talking about our inability to get the ball inside? We got almost nothing for Howard all game long. We had the same issues last year as well.

For me, that was the #1 problem. Not taking advantage of our .... umm biggest advantage.

Especially with our second unit (to start 2nd quarters for example), this is very evident. Jordan Hill winds up getting more post touches than him in that lineup. I don't know what that's about.
An obvious issue is spacing, and that's taking away from Howard's chances to score as well, because he gets doubled on the block and is forced to pass out..
Hopefully D'Antoni implements a few ways of improving that.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby JGC on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Finwë wrote:
JGC wrote:Why is no one talking about our inability to get the ball inside? We got almost nothing for Howard all game long. We had the same issues last year as well.

For me, that was the #1 problem. Not taking advantage of our .... umm biggest advantage.

Especially with our second unit (to start 2nd quarters for example), this is very evident. Jordan Hill winds up getting more post touches than him in that lineup. I don't know what that's about.
An obvious issue is spacing, and that's taking away from Howard's chances to score as well, because he gets doubled on the block and is forced to pass out..
Hopefully D'Antoni implements a few ways of improving that.


Yeah ... that's a good point. I noticed that as well. Hill getting more post touches than Howard. Let's hope D'Antoni can figure that one out because our players cannot, and neither could Mike Brown. We were complaining about that all last year that our bigs are our biggest advantage and we never used them enough.

I do think the doubling in the post has a lot to do with it, but I guess I'm not necessarily talking about getting him the ball in the post. I'm talking about running plays to get him easy looks. Remember how we were all talking about how Nash would get him like 5 easy looks per game? We can't even get him more than 1 per game it seems like.

I'm also concerned because one of the original reasons Dwight didn't want to play here is because he wouldn't get the ball. But beyond placating him, we need to do that to have the best chance of getting a win.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Oh so close! (3-5)

Postby cthroatgtr on Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:34 pm

WMC is easy...Meeks & Duhon was a disaster. So bad they finished with the "BIG" lineup. Meeks has to be pressing. I don't recall him being THAT bad. I mean just awful. Makes you wonder why they let go of CDR. Morris was not very good on offense but played good defense. He is at his best playing next to Kobe so he can defer to Kobe.

Can't complain too much though. Really could have used Nash.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Vs Suns (3-5)

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:03 pm

Minutes

Just don't like seeing Kobe log so many minutes. If he continues at this pace I see him burning out by the all-star break. His minutes need to be in the 34-35 minute range (actually they should have been tonight if Bernie had taken him out when he was supposed to)
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Re: WMC 12/13: Vs Suns (3-5)

Postby Jellincon on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:09 pm

WMC's:

-The first half D was tough to watch. In the second half we got a little better though.
-The starters should've been out of the game half way through the 4th. (Kobe with 38 minutes but Meeks had only 9)
-Pau showing up for only the 1st quarter.
-IMO we were able to score 110+ becasue Metta was raining 3's tonight. We can't really rely on Metta to be this hot from 3 every night. If we can get this type of 3 point shooting from Meeks + Jamison + Duhon on a nightly basis, we'll be better off.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby Weezy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:10 pm

I agree, Kobe can't play this many minutes all season, he'll be dead for the playoffs, he'll get injured, it just can't happen. Maybe Nash coming back will take a lot of pressure off him, hopefully it does, though he won't be back for a while now. My WMC is defense, there was none in the first half. Maybe Phoenix just couldn't miss, but it looked like lazy D to me for the most part. Thankfully it picked up in the 2nd half, MWP, Hill and Dwight took over for a stretch. Morris had some good defensive possessions as well.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Vs Suns (3-5)

Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Jellincon wrote:WMC's:

-The first half D was tough to watch. In the second half we got a little better though.
-The starters should've been out of the game half way through the 4th. (Kobe with 38 minutes but Meeks had only 9)
-Pau showing up for only the 1st quarter.
-IMO we were able to score 110+ becasue Metta was raining 3's tonight. We can't really rely on Metta to be this hot from 3 every night. If we can get this type of 3 point shooting from Meeks + Jamison + Duhon on a nightly basis, we'll be better off.



Take a few of those 3s away from Artest and give them to Nash. There's your difference.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:14 pm

WMC: The Fans!

Haha...already calling this Showtime part deux. Worthy and Rambis just looked at each other during the postgame show when Andy read that fan tweet. I literally yelled out...just stop it! :man10:

There can only be one. Need a new handle, cause its just disrespectful calling this team Showtime...come'n fans?!
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:15 pm

ima call it fun&gun
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:16 pm

Yeah...I like fun n gun too.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:18 pm

What about 24 seconds or hiss...just playing off the SSOL thing.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby Weezy on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:29 pm

fkmikebrown wrote:ima call it fun&gun


I'ma call it " punkin' chunkin' ", because that's what it reminds me of, let it fly.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby shaq_hater on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:30 pm

that's a nice classy hoody antawn jamison's got.
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Re: WMC 12/13: run and gun Lakers (4-5)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:32 pm

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