WMC 12/13: Mercy kill. (0-4)

Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:18 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
odom1year wrote:Stop complaining anyone other than Kobe. This is Kobe's team. When the best player of your team missed 17 of total 25 attempts and committed team high 6 turnovers. The best player should take the responsibility and blame. And for Lebron, he is number 1 in the league, better than Durant. No question about. Kobe's just at best top 5 right now.


Kobe had a bad shooting night for sure... That being said, dude it doesn't matter what we do you find a way to blame Kobe. LMAO...


Yeah, just do what u do, whine about the refs like u always do.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby Legendary on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:26 am

I ask the staff: that if I have a member on my block list...that if they are quoted by ANYONE ELSE...is there a way that I can still not see the post...?

How 'bout that? Or is this the wrong forum for such a suggestion..? Probably.

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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:38 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:Yeah, just do what u do, whine about the refs like u always do.


Awe thats cute.... I'll continue to whine about the refs and you keep posting like the steller insightful poster that you are. :bow: I actually follow your post to get a better understanding of the game, the team and heck everything. Matter fact, I change my mind the officiating was perfect and the Lakers were just outclassed, outplayed, outgunned and really out of Miami's league. Thanks you rock. :jam2: :bow:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby odom1year on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:41 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:Lebron was unreal tonight. Just dominated for stretches. Hit some huge answer baskets. If he plays like this come playoff time, they will be a super tough out.


The worst part is their 3-pointer is not falling in yet and Bosh sucks tonight.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby NeeJee on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:50 am

Can someone please make a gif or post a video of Lebron doing a freakin barrel roll and getting up like nothing happened please?? That would be amazing.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby DHL on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:28 am

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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:33 am

turnovers....even with kobe shooting that bad we could have won. also gotta get dwight going like cavs and bucks games. didnt really see that tonight after 1st quarter.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby QA_Rocks on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:42 am

NeeJee wrote:Can someone please make a gif or post a video of Lebron doing a freakin barrel roll and getting up like nothing happened please?? That would be amazing.


Then do one with that scenario over a pommel horse.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby NewDynasty on Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:06 am

Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby khmrP on Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:12 am

NewDynasty wrote:Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.


not saying Nash doesn't suck but you sir are box score watcher if you think Calderon would make this team better :man10: and this team makes avg. PG look good, good PG look great, and great PG look godlike. Perfect example, Blake, drops a triple double on us as a clipp with Fish guarding him, as a laker he hasn't even come close to do anything like that
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby Scnottaken on Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:13 am

Oh dang, I forgot the cardinal rule of CL. . . never come to LD after a loss. . .
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby QA_Rocks on Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:18 am

Did anyone else get Robert Horry flashbacks, when Pau tapped out the ball to the 3, and kobe grabbed it and hit the shot?

Horry - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQDsZljAOY

Kobe - (Skip to 0:15) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzotJj8i97o
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby NewDynasty on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:20 am

khmrP wrote:
NewDynasty wrote:Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.


not saying Nash doesn't suck but you sir are box score watcher if you think Calderon would make this team better :man10: and this team makes avg. PG look good, good PG look great, and great PG look godlike. Perfect example, Blake, drops a triple double on us as a clipp with Fish guarding him, as a laker he hasn't even come close to do anything like that


Calderon has 5:1 assist to to ratio. its true i dont watch him play but i watch nash play and he sucks. He hasnt been making his shots, he is attempting ridiculous passes which lead to TO. We could have had a 10 point lead end of first quarter if nash hadnt turned over the ball 4 times in 5 mins
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby borri on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:55 am

khmrP wrote:
NewDynasty wrote:Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.


not saying Nash doesn't suck but you sir are box score watcher if you think Calderon would make this team better :man10: and this team makes avg. PG look good, good PG look great, and great PG look godlike. Perfect example, Blake, drops a triple double on us as a clipp with Fish guarding him, as a laker he hasn't even come close to do anything like that


The problem with Nash is, he's gotta be really good offensively, getting everyone going and getting his own to overcome his HUGE defensive deficiencies. In PHX he was really really good. It helped that they had a PnR specialist in Amare and shooters surrounding Nash.

Here, we neither have a PnR and pick and pop guy nor shooters. It's not a good situation right now Lakerland.

We are burning Kobe out having to chase the OPP's best backcourt player night in and night out.

It was clear tonight that Nash was bothered by MIA's speed and quickness.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:08 am

20 turnovers, 10 missed free throws and Miami's great defense and gameplan. Kobe and Nash couldn't get an inch of daylight out there and we had no answer for LeBron down the stretch.

Our defense had a few moments but couldn't sustain it. The 4th quarter became a layup drill and we again looked confused out there on our rotations.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby hollywood swinger on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:34 am

borri wrote:
khmrP wrote:
NewDynasty wrote:Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.


not saying Nash doesn't suck but you sir are box score watcher if you think Calderon would make this team better :man10: and this team makes avg. PG look good, good PG look great, and great PG look godlike. Perfect example, Blake, drops a triple double on us as a clipp with Fish guarding him, as a laker he hasn't even come close to do anything like that


The problem with Nash is, he's gotta be really good offensively, getting everyone going and getting his own to overcome his HUGE defensive deficiencies. In PHX he was really really good. It helped that they had a PnR specialist in Amare and shooters surrounding Nash.

Here, we neither have a PnR and pick and pop guy nor shooters. It's not a good situation right now Lakerland.

We are burning Kobe out having to chase the OPP's best backcourt player night in and night out.

It was clear tonight that Nash was bothered by MIA's speed and quickness.

thank you. i been saying pg is our biggest problem on this team along with pau. kobe said it post game 'i need some help offensively' who do you think that was for? nash. pau experiment should be over. trade him for athletes and youth. nash can't be a primetime player anymore with teams throwing athletes like this at us plus his attitude is not attack mode. and please stop with the calderon nonsense people i don't want another non american player on this team. the 2 weakest links are foreigners canada & spain.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should of won that one (17-22)

Postby khmrP on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 am

NewDynasty wrote:
khmrP wrote:
NewDynasty wrote:Nash sucks, I wish we could get Calderon somehow. I dont understand what happened to the Nash that used to burn us but he sucks now.


not saying Nash doesn't suck but you sir are box score watcher if you think Calderon would make this team better :man10: and this team makes avg. PG look good, good PG look great, and great PG look godlike. Perfect example, Blake, drops a triple double on us as a clipp with Fish guarding him, as a laker he hasn't even come close to do anything like that


Calderon has 5:1 assist to to ratio. its true i dont watch him play but i watch nash play and he sucks. He hasnt been making his shots, he is attempting ridiculous passes which lead to TO. We could have had a 10 point lead end of first quarter if nash hadnt turned over the ball 4 times in 5 mins


those #'s are misleading, he doesn't create those easy shots for people, he just passes to a guy that keeps moving to get open. Nash could do the same on that Tor team but this team is full of star players who aren't gona move around for Nash to just pass too and they shoot. Just look at Tor complaint of the guy, doesn't penetrate, only affective running PnR and pounds the ball into the ground until his TEAMMATES get open for a easy pass/asst. Sure Nash seems to be only affective on PnR too but he does penetrate at times, wish he would do it more. Defensively Calderon wouldn't do anymore than what Nash is doing. Still I wasn't one of those who was jumping up and down the day we traded for Nash, you can't bank on a 38 yr old to be a key cog in your system, sure I was happy we got something but I just didn't feel Nash was gona be our savior and I didn't fall for the hype either that he was gona save Pau's career.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby ThizGuy83 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:17 am

Finally watched the game since the new year. Lakers look a lot better since I last seen them. Lakers could have won it but as usual. There defense. Even tho its improved. There still ball watching and there help rotation sucks. Free throws. Too many missed. The 2 that Howard missed towards the end hurt alot. And Kobe just plain missing. If he had made a few more. Different ball game.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:29 am

We basically get beaten by the same play three times down the stretch ...

Miami scored points 90, 92 and 94 by running a double screen for Allen (twice) and Wade
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:38 am

The obvious was those TO's to start the game.

Kobe went back to so so D, missed some lay ups, oh and Joey Crawford and the refs sucked.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby dj vitus on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:57 am

Why does it seem like every loss to Miami ends in a last-second, meaningless, "statement" slam dunk by LeBron? Insecure, much? :freak2:
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby dj vitus on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:58 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:We basically get beaten by the same play three times down the stretch ...

Miami scored points 90, 92 and 94 by running a double screen for Allen (twice) and Wade

It's almost a sure-fire move, like Kareem getting 6 sky hooks in a row once.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:04 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:We basically get beaten by the same play three times down the stretch ...

Miami scored points 90, 92 and 94 by running a double screen for Allen (twice) and Wade


True. And they played great D down the stretch not allowing us to convert on that end. They showed us the difference between them and us in that last two minutes. We need to get to where they are. They have their go to plays and they know what they are doing on defense to close it out. We are currently a work in progress. But I liked our effort and we certainly gave them a great fight. I still think we match up pretty well against them. They just have their game plan worked out while we are finding ours with two new starters and a new system.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby JGC on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:05 am

dj vitus wrote:Why does it seem like every loss to Miami ends in a last-second, meaningless, "statement" slam dunk by LeBron? Insecure, much? :freak2:


Well, it is a statement. To his team.

Not ours. That's why it feels meaningless to you and us.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Should've won that one (17-22)

Postby cleverdevil on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:14 am

Tough game to call. Hard fought battle against the champs where there were lots of good and bad to take away from.

The bad:
-20 turnovers vs THE premiere fast break team in the league just won't cut it.

-Pick and roll defense was atrocious tonight (sound familiar?), we were let off the hook most of the night with Miami's shooters inability to knock down the 15-18 footers when they gained separation off the screens, we were not so fortunate the last 5 minutes of the game in that respect.

-Bad pick and roll offense, slip screens can be a valuable asset as opposed to setting hard screens, but not against a team who 100% sells out to trap the ball handler off the screen. Gotta body up on those screens, then dive, otherwise you give your point guard no separation and passing lanes.

-Horrible entry passes to the post. It has been bothering me all season seeing these over the top passes to Dwight and Pau down low, Miami played them perfectly by fronting the paint, staying close to Dwight and Pau and using their athleticism to either tip the pass, or have a weak side defender intercept the pass.

The good:
-20 Turnovers vs THE premiere fast break team in the league, and we were in the game up until the last 120 seconds.

-Though all to inconsistently, we showed some really crisp offensive sets to break guys open, Metta knocked down his open threes, Kobe managed to salvage a below average night when we needed him most. Pau and Dwight did a good job for the most part on the offensive glass, and when he had lanes to work with Steve made really good decisions with the basketball.

-The halfcourt defense really impressed me throughout the game. Sure, Miami could've changed this narrative by knocking down a few contested jumpers, but the fact that most shots outside the paint were contested is definitely a step in the right direction.

The Takeaway:
-I wasn't expecting to win this game, I was looking for a continuation of the positive play we had the last two games. The turnovers hurt, for sure, but for the most part, I feel confident moving forward with what I saw. Miami's defensive intensity waxed and waned throughout the game, but I thought we more than held our own against THE BEST defense in the league. So, while I do believe some changes need to be made, this team, in my opinion, is not as utterly hopeless as some on these boards claim.

-It was completely staggering to see what a difference athleticism makes, at times it really felt (as I said in the gameday thread) as though the guys in black were moving in fast forward, the intensity and speed in which they trap and rotate on defense is devastating. Also their ability to space the floor and penetrate with multiple players really puts pressure on the opposing defense. Their passes seemed to be flying at 100 mph, yet rarely do they fumble the pass or throw it out of bounds. Our passing is so slow and deliberate that it really is the cause of so many turnovers for us.

-I really hope that people are finally realizing what a great coach Erik Spoelstra is. Great defensive strategies, really crisp offensive sets (even if they aren't the most progressive ideas, double screen, who knew?). This guy really knows his stuff, and it makes me feel smart because I was ringing his bell two years ago when people were calling for Pat Riley to take over.

Thanks to anyone who actually read this far. Go Lakers!
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