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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:54 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Doc Brown wrote:Pau and defense in the same sentence should never mix. Jack was throwing up floaters with no arc tonight and Gasol couldn't get 1/4 inch off the ground to block it.

Pau was terrible on D but that is not why we lost. Stop blaming Gasol for a collective failure that starts with our coach


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You're trying too hard. Where in my post did I say that was the reason we lost?

Crap, was on my phone. It was supposed to say "people should stop blaming Gasol" :bang:

Pau played 23 minutes, and there were some notable defensive lapses. But I think our problems ran much deeper than that tonight.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:02 am

The Lakers had a good rotation before Pau came back, with Jamison and Clark splitting minutes at PF, and doing some occasional center. Pau should be worked in slowly, coming off the bench at first. My WMC is that MDA is catering to Pau's whims, when he should limit his minutes until he gets back into shape. A couple more faux Paus (spelling intended) and we'll be sitting at home during the first round.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby kenzo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:48 am

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby borri on Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:59 am

Bad idea to start Pau. Ruined whatever chemistry this bad team had developed in Pau's absence.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby KB24 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:12 am

enough with the excuses.

this team just isn't that good. Losses happen and they also happen in embarrassing fashion. Every game there is another reason but the truth is the same. Mediocre teams always find a way to lose.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby SpencerHarrison on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:17 am

Yeah I kind of can't believe Pau is starting.

That just seems utterly insane.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby themasterphil on Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:36 am

Problem with Lakers is really simple. They are just too slow for NBA basketball in this moment. If you have Metta, Nash, Pau in first five that just cant work, no chance. Beside that there is MDA system with really slow players, thats good way for disaster nothing else. In Pau absence Clark was in and they have some chance to defend transition, now its impossible. You need to have quick guards and one really fast and athletic PF. We dont have anything of that. So for me this season is gone. Q is can they take one or two games in first round and thats it. If you want to win in this league right now you need SPEED SPEED SPEED.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby cleverdevil on Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:12 am

themasterphil wrote:Problem with Lakers is really simple. They are just too slow for NBA basketball in this moment. If you have Metta, Nash, Pau in first five that just cant work, no chance. Beside that there is MDA system with really slow players, thats good way for disaster nothing else. In Pau absence Clark was in and they have some chance to defend transition, now its impossible. You need to have quick guards and one really fast and athletic PF. We dont have anything of that. So for me this season is gone. Q is can they take one or two games in first round and thats it. If you want to win in this league right now you need SPEED SPEED SPEED.


I agree whole heartedly. The team is too old in too many key spots to be able to handle the schedule. I mean 2nd game of a back to back has been almost automatically a loss all season. They are too slow to play effective half court defense for a complete game or transition defense at any point during a game.

And in terms of winning a title....its not 2008 anymore. These "young and/or athletic" teams like OKC, Miami, Denver and Memphis have experience in the playoffs and aren't going deer in the headlights. Even the Spurs are really young outside of Ginobili, Duncan and Parker. Our "experience" just isn't enough anymore. This offseason needs to see a few of these 1 years moved like Pau, Metta and Blake for some youth and talent, even if it isn't a perfect talent for talent return. Next year will be the exact same if this same team stays intact.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby denimPortugal on Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:30 am

I'm totally disgusted. unbelievable season.
I just want it to end quickly, and then...blow up the roster!
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby The Rock on Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:34 am

Last night's loss just sapped the spirit out of the team, we looked like how we did did in DEC, lots of self doubt, confusion, finger pointing, etc. Come on Pau be the team player and go to the bench! We need Clark more than Pau right now
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:09 am

The Rock wrote:Last night's loss just sapped the spirit out of the team, we looked like how we did did in DEC, lots of self doubt, confusion, finger pointing, etc. Come on Pau be the team player and go to the bench! We need Clark more than Pau right now

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:34 am

Look, Clark is clearly gassed. His effort and defense is ahead of Gasol's for sure. And he can get us the cleanup buckets we need.

But right now his jumper is off and he isn't in NBA starter shape. His legs are gone. It's obvious. We really can't put that much pressure on him. He shouldn't be playing 35-40 minutes a night right now, we need to make sure he's healthy. He's not in starter shape.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby The Rock on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:36 am

Clark doesnt need to play 35 mins a night, he just needs to start and finish the games. Jamison/MWP can split the remaining PF minutes. Less Pau, more Clark but that doesnt mean Pau should only play 10 mins and Clark should play 40 mins
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:43 am

I think Pau at 15 minutes is fine. Make all those minutes when Dwight isn't in the game. But if Dwight is playing more than 35 minutes that's hard.

Another real problem is our bench. They can score (Blake/Jamison/Meeks/Pau) but not defend for s***. Without Pau, the bench has no anchor. And with Pau, we don't have much of an anchor. I think Pau's minutes need to be limited but people here acting like he is the reason we lost the last 3 games.

Did he help? No. Should we play Dwight and Pau together? Probably not. But having Pau out there alone is a defensive liability. It really is on MDA to leave him at 15 minutes a game and try to get some offense out of him and maybe use his length to stop a possession or two. Clown a*** coach has no clue
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Re: WMC 12/13: Didn't see the game. We lost. (36-34)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Nash - Fractured fibula, Hip and Back
Kobe - Sprained ankle, Bone spur
Dwight - Torn labrum, back surgery
Pau - Concussion, elbow, torn plantar fascia, tendonitis
Hill - Herniated disk, microfracture surgery on hip
Blake - Punctured foot, abdominal strain
MWP - undisclosed leg/hip injury for 2 months, torn meniscus
Clark - Foot problem
Jamison - Partial tear in wrist

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Neo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:28 pm

Even with the list Doc provided, I still believe the biggest mistake was not getting Phil.
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Re: WMC 12/13: Didn't see the game. We lost. (36-34)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:38 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Nash - Fractured fibula
Kobe - Sprained ankle
Dwight - Torn labrum, back surgery
Pau - Concussion, elbow, torn plantar fascia, tendonitis
Hill - Herniated disk, microfracture surgery on hip
Blake - Punctured foot, abdominal strain
MWP - undisclosed leg/hip injury for 2 months, torn meniscus
Clark - Foot problem
Jamison - Partial tear in wrist

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I mean WTF, everything that could go wrong this season.....Has.


Updated the misery that is this season.


And people actually dismiss the injuries as a little thing. That is 8 of our players that have had significant injuries. How we are even in the playoff race at all.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby dj vitus on Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:41 pm

Nashty Gal wrote:the only time i watch tv is to watch the lakers play. so i'm paying 80 bucks a month to watch this hot mess of a team. that's my wmc of the season

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:33 pm

Team has been through alot and Doc's post is pretty damning...

But I refuse to believe that with all the injury excuses, we wouldn't be better than 1 game over .500 with another guy running the show.

Again, Kobe and Dwight suited up for the majority of our games. Chemistry and injury issues have been proven excuses by teams that have had similar issues and have still persevered.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:45 pm

I don't see the problem with starting Ebanks other than chemistry. his defense would be good and would be some athleticism. hope Kobe starts at the 3 and Clark backs him up. leaving Jamison at the 4.

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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:49 pm

^Ebanks is not playing unless its garbage time, IMO. It really sucks; we were depending on him to develop & maybe even fill in for such a time as this but that's a foregone conclusion at this point...
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:50 pm

Vash- I can understand that point and it isn't far-fetched to think a coach like Sloan or Phil may have a better record but that is just speculation. I personally think there is a great deal of discord for MDA that should be laid on the players. Dwight has only, since the All star game, started playing like the Dwight of old. Prior to that he was a shell of himself, he was setting horrible picks and barely rolling to the basket. I will blame the coach for the energy the team plays with, the minutes certain guys were playing and the semingly lack of effort the team has played with in way to many games. We have enought talent even with injuries to compete so I won't say it is an "excuse" either. I just won't dismiss it as nothing either.
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby Ariza3 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:53 pm

everyone of the timberwolves played less than 30 mins in a win. they'll be rested. chase shved ak47 Cunningham didn't shoot too well but of course tomorrow they'll all go off. jj barea went off tonight and prob win against Blake tomorrow.

pek on Dwight is pretty tough for Dwight on O and his rebounding and stretch will be a problem too. Kobe ISO can't be in full effect and pau has the advantage so he better show up on BOTH ends. unexceptable if we lose. and if we win it better be a blowout. no excuses
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby noobiew on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:04 pm

With Metta possibly done for the season, we might see some actions from Ebanks.

Starting lineup : - Dwight - Jamison - Clark - Kobe - Nash

Bench unit : - Pau - Meeks - Blake - Ebanks
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Re: WMC 12/13: It is all your fault? Blame away! (36-35)

Postby dj vitus on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:10 pm

noobiew wrote:With Metta possibly done for the season, we might see some actions from Ebanks.

Starting lineup : - Dwight - Jamison - Clark - Kobe - Nash

Bench unit : - Pau - Meeks - Blake - Ebanks

Knowing MDA, it will probably be

Starting lineup: Dwight - Pau - Jamison - Kobe - Nash

Bench: Clark - Meeks - Blake
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