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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:15 pm

sister golden hair wrote:I can't understand why fans would cheer a laker victory against the celts when it doesn't help the laker franchise in the long run. That victory was counter-productive. From the perspective of the rest of the league. MDA is just the gift that keeps on giving.

I fail to understand why any Lakers fan would cheer defeat. There are no gaurauntees that we are going to get the next Kobe Bryant in the draft, the number 1 draft pick nor something that will turn us around in the next year or two. Guess in the end one side of the fanhood will not agree with the otherside of the fanhood.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby sister golden hair on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:12 pm

Basketball is entertainment, just like the movies. It's more entertaining for me, anyways, when the team I root for can come away with a championship ring at the end of the day. Beating the Celtics in a lost season, when there is no hope of making the play-offs, detracts from the possibility of the team establishing the foundation for the coming rebuild using the draft, as one of the available tools. No one said that one rookie next year will spell the difference between a ring next year or not. On the other hand, ending up with a mediocre draft pick certainly won't hasten that process either.. The better players once can get, one would assume the faster the rebuild. Losing out on a good, even great player, so that one can walk around thumping one's chest because of a meaningless win over yet another mediocre team seems like short-sightedness at it's worst.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Weezy on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:16 pm

It's one game, and it's the Celtics, that's how I can root for a win. I believe we will resume losing now, I don't believe one game will cost us a top 5 pick. You say it's entertainment, that's another reason I rooted for a win, I'm sick of my team losing every single game, I don't think it kills us to thrown in a win every 10 games for morale and one night to feel good as a fan. I see the big picture, but I also see that this IS entertainment, so if I want to root to be entertained for a night, that's not crazy to me. I don't see us thumping our chests, I see us having a little fun for one freakin night, if we can't have any fun what's the point of even watching.

It also comes across as extremely spoiled to me at times to say that we aren't allowed to enjoy anything as Lakers fans other than a championship. I started watching the Lakers in '93 and had plenty of fun doing it even though we didn't win it all for years. What must other teams fans think of our fans when they see us saying "no, you can't enjoy a win because it's meaningless", especially fans of teams that have never won a title and suck every season. Why should they bother watching and rooting for their teams when they never win, right? Because it's like you said, it's entertainment. As I've said a hundred times, I get that we're tanking but I'm more than a little sick of being told if I don't have a losers attitude I'm being stupid.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:27 pm

I can't speak for SGH, but this is how I feel about it...

It would have bothered me more if they fell flat and got routed by Boston, but I guess I can live with a W.

But looking on a more macroscopic scale, Ws not only hurt our draft standing, but it gives our FO yet another blasphemous reason to keep as is.

This product doesn't need tinkering...it needs a full on restructuring from the ground up...

Last year it was "training camp" and most of us were wondering just how complicated a pick and roll offense was anyways...I guess they should have went with the "easier" triangle. Christ...

Then there is all the noise about how MDA didn't have the right personnel for what he wanted to accomplish...then why the F would you hire him in the first place. But alas, we brought in the guards/youth/speed he was looking for this summer and in typical MDA fashion, they sure can speed up the tempo and chuck it from the perimeter, but can't play a lick of D.

Then comes all the injury excuses. Well, we would have been more competitive had we had Kobe from the jump, ignoring the fact that an uptempo offense could possibly play a role in the injuries we experienced. And if that's not it, then they choose to ignore how Doc kept the Clippers afloat without CP3, or how Thibs kept the Bulls afloat without their MVP for the better part of 2 years, or how about that guy in SA who has an old core of players who are in and out of the rotation, yet were moments away from another title.

I'm sorry if I'm not more excited about winning against a watered down C's unit. But I'm sure management will find a way to say, "We didn't have the type of year we anticipated, but at least we swept our dreaded rivals. Now if only we can get Kobe back and get a little more healthy and have an injury free and productive training camp...."

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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:27 pm

SGH- Again where is the given that we will have a certain draft pick. I want our team to play their butts off every game and if they can win then win the game cause Basketball is Lakers basketball which means leaving it on the floor to me. You call it entertainment then why watch cause a injured team with 2nd tier and d-league players can't be fun for you can it? I don't get the short-sighted comment considering the Lakers have rarely rebuilt through the draft. So what makes you assume they are planning on doing it that way again? There is nothing in our history that says the Lakers are going to rebuild in that fashion. Again, I guess that is were one side of the fan base differs from the other. On my side I don't find ANY win a bad thing. I don't get mad at losses like before because I know that each loss is a chance to get more ping pong balls for the top pick. That being said, still never a reason to wish my team to lose a game but thats just me.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Weezy on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:40 pm

I want a high draft pick, but you seem to have as much a chance of getting that first pick going off history as you do finishing last or 7th, losing a couple more games guarantees nothing. I guess I'm also not seeing the franchise changing/saving player in this draft so many others are. Wiggins and Parker look nice, but not franchise to me. Embiid might stay in college and he's raw offensively. Exum is a gamble IMO, Smart doesn't look special to me, and Randle seems good, but a little undersized, and not exactly dominant in the post. I'd still love to have any of these players on a rookie contract though, and I think we will, which is why I'm not sweating one win once in a while. It was a fun game, I'm not gonna be sorry I enjoyed it.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:50 pm

Not really a WMC just going along with the current topic in the thread, I still don't see us keeping our pick.. Mitch has commented over & over about how much more value picks have now.. If we land a top pick there's no doubt in my mind he's going to try to try to take advantage of the currently inflated value of draft picks & trade it for a player that can get us back to being relevant right away.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby The Rock on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:05 pm

I'm pretty superstitious don't call these guys Killer Bs!!! Last time we had that bunch they sucked together after a hot start Lol (Blake, Barnes, Brown)
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:14 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Not really a WMC just going along with the current topic in the thread, I still don't see us keeping our pick.. Mitch has commented over & over about how much more value picks have now.. If we land a top pick there's no doubt in my mind he's going to try to try to take advantage of the currently inflated value of draft picks & trade it for a player that can get us back to being relevant right away.

If we land outside of the top 3 or 4 I'm fine with that.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby sister golden hair on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:29 pm

From a franchise rebuilding perspective, more wins equal less of a chance to re-build successfully. They need young, good, cheap talent. If they get a top draft pick, that can go a long way toward rebuilding quickly. It's simple: a fan can get his kicks watching the team beat a meaningless opponent, given the circumstances, or they can take heart in getting one step closer to putting a competitive team out on the floor in the coming years. One scenario makes you feel good for about 10 minutes;' the other might give you satisfaction as a fan for a helluva long time if the team can rebuild in an expeditious manner.

Seems cut and dried to me. But perhaps watching the FO screw up repeatedly has allowed me to disengage emotionally from the team. I'm looking at the situation as objectively as I can. The more games they win the rest of the season, the lower their chances are of getting a great young player which, in turn, increases the chances of the team rebuilding quickly. There are no guarantees of rings, even if they get a top 3 pick. On the other hand, getting a middling pick is more likely to result in continued mediocrity.

I'm just looking at the percentages (loosely speaking) and my analysis says that the more the rest of the season, the more they hurt themselves. The FO has already damaged the team greatly by selecting a coach who has managed to alienate all the bigs because they don't "fit" the system he prefers to run. One of those bigs (D12, a premier FA) could have been parlayed into a nice set of assets (assuming the FO ultimately decided he wasn't for them). But doubling down on MDA only helped drive him away. That was a huge F-up, and yet I hear people try and argue with a straight-face that they didn't want D12 anyay, etc. really? because even in this horrendous season having D12 on the roster expands the possibilities for the FO exponentially to right the ship. We are presently witnessing how hard it is to do anything when options are circumscribed.

I don't think it can be argued that MDA has been a disaster (although God knows, some will try to argue otherwise). The franchise is already behind the eight-ball, in part because of his hiring. They are already a few steps behind other team in the effort to re-build. They quicker they make up the stagger the better.

The only true winner in the Celtics game was Boston. By losing to the lakers, they help themselves and hurt the lakers.

And yet several Laker fans seems happy about that.

Okay.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:41 pm

Look at the standings right now, Sacramento won tonight, they beat Boston. We are right back where we started pre-Boston game.

We aren't catching Philly or Milwaukee.
Sacto got Cousins back so they should win more games than us the rest of the year
We play in the Western Conference and we have a BRUTAL schedule coming up (Take a look)
New Orleans, Utah will have a better record than us based on their rosters are better

The only team we are "gunning" for is Orlando. Boston w/ Rondo will win ball games in the weak East.

If we are in the "top" 5 we are fine. Look at the past drafts, if you redid them, you would find getting the top 3 pick doesn't guarantee a top player.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby trodgers on Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:48 am

As soon as you say X is entertainment and mean that's all it is, you commit yourself to accepting whatever anyone finds entertaining as legitimate. You like when X turns out this way; others disagree. No argument is worthwhile in that scenario.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Juronimo on Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:44 pm

@sistergoldenhair how can you expect any Laker fan to root for a loss against our hated rival or any other team for that matter? I for one will root for a win against every team we play. Call it what you want. F tanking. I can't sign on to that. It's wrong.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby The Rock on Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:32 pm

Lakers in last place wooo :jam2:
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:36 pm

I like the new kids. And definitely a whole lot more than I liked Blake.
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Re: WMC 13/14: Welcome Killer B's beat the C's (19-36)

Postby 432J on Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:44 pm

The Rock wrote:Lakers in last place wooo :jam2:

keep it up guys!
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Re: WMC 13/14: The land of no D for the lonely (19-37)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:21 am

Back from vacation I see nothing changed . Still the same sorry arse FO with no vision in charge , which failed to get ONE single asset for players who are going to walk for free at the end of the season ...
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:54 pm

WMC: I got nothing!
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:56 pm

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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:00 pm

This was like watching a 1983 San Antonio-Denver game..... well like 3 1/2 quarter of one anyway.

7 total players over 20 points in the game. Some pretty good lines by players on both sides.
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:04 pm

kendall marshall hasnt made a shot in 3 games
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:07 pm

CaCHooKa Man wrote:kendall marshall hasnt made a shot in 3 games

I think he has been off since we brought in Blaze and Brooks.
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby Weezy on Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:10 am

So if we're talking, that wasn't a smart win considering the opponent is just above us in the standings. It's hard for me to be mad when I'm tuning in to be entertained and Farmar has a performance like that though, not to mention Meeks and Brooks.
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:31 am

^^^^ we will lose at least 7 of the next 8 games so this win has little consequence in the tanking race ... we're definetely in good shape :man10:
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Re: WMC 13/14: 20 wins before 40 L's (20-39)

Postby kenzo on Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:36 am

Why win? :man3: If it's not Boston or Miami i want to see us SUCK. If stupid games like this will make us miss out on the few of the top picks, i'll be beyond pissed. Give us fans, something to look forward to.
Good thing the next few games ar loses :man9:
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