Xavier Henry Discussion: Xmin

Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:33 am

Slurpee22 wrote:Realdeal - do you think the Grizzles gave up on Xavier to early? the guy looks primed to have a breakout year.

I think Henry wasn't ready for the NBA when he was drafted by the Grizzlies. He came out too early, couldn't find consistency, and the Grizzlies didn't have time to develop him. Then he went to the Hornets/Pelicans and didn't have a ton of confidence, he had already developed a reputation as a bust, and he didn't fit their plans.

The Lakers had room for him and gave him a shot and Henry took advantage. Was it too soon to give up on him? Maybe, but we probably would have too. It was just not the right situation for him.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:36 am

The Griz have players they want to play over X. They didn't have time to develop him and he was oft injured so no one can blame them from giving up on him. One man's trash is another man's treasure. :jam2:
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:41 am

Xavier should have stayed in school. He's just one of the many players who think they are the s*** leaving early and find out the reality that they aren't going to dominate the league.

Lucky for us, we are in a position to develop him and he seems to have found the perfect niche for his abilities.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:43 am

Doc Brown wrote:Xavier should have stayed in school. He's just one of the many players who think they are the s*** leaving early and find out the reality that they aren't going to dominate the league.

Lucky for us, we are in a position to develop him and he seems to have found the perfect niche for his abilities.

Bingo.

And if he keeps playing this way, we might have found a keeper.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:46 pm

The one thing our so called coach did right was starting X.

If X can add a couple of things to his game, the ability to pull up from midrange instead of always going to the basket every time. Also if he adds a right hand. He does those 2 things and he'll be a solid starting SG.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby XXIV on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Juronimo wrote:The one thing our so called coach did right was starting X.

If X can add a couple of things to his game, the ability to pull up from midrange instead of always going to the basket every time. Also if he adds a right hand. He does those 2 things and he'll be a solid starting SG.


MDA does deserve credit for starting Xavier that was a great move that benefited both X and Young.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:14 pm

Juronimo wrote:The one thing our so called coach did right was starting X.

If X can add a couple of things to his game, the ability to pull up from midrange instead of always going to the basket every time. Also if he adds a right hand. He does those 2 things and he'll be a solid starting SG.


Agreed...Give Rambis and the staff time to develop him, and I think we got a steal. Heck of a signing by Mitch ...
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:19 pm

He is becoming my favorite new laker. He's got a feel for the game, seems dedicated, and has a little bit of confidence on top of the athleticism and NBA body. I think he's a keeper.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby abeer3 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:41 pm

I wonder which wing position he's ideally suited for. his skills generally say sf, but he can't use his size there like he can at sg. wes Matthews found a way around that; maybe Xavier can, too.

right now, his game reminds me of a young maggette.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:He is becoming my favorite new laker. He's got a feel for the game, seems dedicated, and has a little bit of confidence on top of the athleticism and NBA body. I think he's a keeper.


Me, too.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby last stand on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:45 pm

abeer3 wrote:I wonder which wing position he's ideally suited for. his skills generally say sf, but he can't use his size there like he can at sg. wes Matthews found a way around that; maybe Xavier can, too.

right now, his game reminds me of a young maggette.


I think he can use his body just fine. Because its combined with quickness and speed. Also he really understands pick and roll.

So he can honestly play both the 2 and 3
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:00 pm

He's starting to put it together...let's wait and see if it lasts, but so far so good for sure :-)
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:30 am

abeer3 wrote:I wonder which wing position he's ideally suited for. his skills generally say sf, but he can't use his size there like he can at sg. wes Matthews found a way around that; maybe Xavier can, too.

right now, his game reminds me of a young maggette.


Great post and call with Maggette. I see that too in that relentless aggressiveness to got to the hoop, but still the ability to hit outside.

Not sure which he seems better suited for either, abeer3. But I have to say I really like this idea of grooming him to play the SF. He just seems like a natural fit there, and if he learns to play the three, with an emphasis on team play and defense, I think it will round out his game which so far I think has a tendency more towards a scoring 2. I'd like to see him developed as a more all around player. He has all the potential in the world for it with his combination of strength, speed and athleticism, and his head for the game. He's so young still, too.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Barnstable on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:44 pm

I think Maggetty is underselling X as a 2 way player. He's going to be way better than Cory Maggetty defensively IMO.

But I'd like X to play the 2 more than 3, because defensively, I like the idea of Henry and Johnson playing together (If Pringles will ever realize Wes is a SF not PF). They could switch everything, and their man and team defense would be solid.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:54 pm

Rooscooter wrote:He is becoming my favorite new laker. He's got a feel for the game, seems dedicated, and has a lot of confidence on top of the athleticism and NBA body. I think he's a keeper.


Fixed. First game of the season and playing for the L.A. Lakers when we're supposed to get our butts kicked and he never looked nervous from his first minutes and hasn't yet to this day. Then he steps up that night and has the game of his life. Gamer. Doesn't pound his chest, just has a great vibe about him as he plays.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:30 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:He is becoming my favorite new laker. He's got a feel for the game, seems dedicated, and has a lot of confidence on top of the athleticism and NBA body. I think he's a keeper.


Fixed. First game of the season and playing for the L.A. Lakers when we're supposed to get our butts kicked and he never looked nervous from his first minutes and hasn't yet to this day. Then he steps up that night and has the game of his life. Gamer. Doesn't pound his chest, just has a great vibe about him as he plays.


^^ And let's not forget his Laker debut where dropped 29 and 6 in pre-season. Nor did he flinch when moved to the starting lineup last game. 18 points as a starter. Great stuff. And like you said about the Clipper game - career high regular season scoring at 22 points. It's truly heartening to see this guy do well for us.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Toklat on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:47 pm

I also like that he doesn't pound his chests or do cartwheels... he is just very enjoyable to watch play. Hopefully for many years.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:04 pm

Barnstable wrote:I think Maggetty is underselling X as a 2 way player. He's going to be way better than Cory Maggetty defensively IMO.

But I'd like X to play the 2 more than 3, because defensively, I like the idea of Henry and Johnson playing together (If Pringles will ever realize Wes is a SF not PF). They could switch everything, and their man and team defense would be solid.


^^ Pretty darned good idea Barnstable. I'd be in favor of that. Things will change when Kobe comes back, obviously since he's the two, but until then this might be a very good change-up to the starting lineup.

Let's face it, Nash/Blake combo is awful. Blake has no business playing the 2. He didn't under Brown, and he doesn't under Pringles either. And he played 32 minutes at 2 last game. :hurl:

Nash or Blake at the one, Henry at 2, Johnson at 3, Hill or Williams at 4 and Pau at 5 would be a very nice lineup. I'd like to see that. That leaves Farmar/Blake at 1, Meeks at 2, Young at 3, Hill or Williams at 4, and Kaman at 5 off the bench.

Those are some balanced, and solid lineups with everyone playing at their best prospective position, and nobody taking on too many minutes. Good combinations of youth and vets.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:26 pm

^^^ That kind of attack / strategy with this team seems SO effing obvious and we KNOW it would be more effective than his wet dream he keeps chasing. For the love of god DAN wake the BLEEP up. Adjust!! AGAIN. Or you will be for sure gone. Maybe before the season is even over. (but probably not) Mitch and hopefully Jimmy have to be watching what he comes up with for HIS most effective set of "DVDs" as to what he would do with the roster that Mitch has put together for THIS year. I would imagine they talk off the record with Kurt as well because he has had a career around winning situations. As unseemly as that might seem. Then again maybe not. Maybe Kurt would have to just not do that to be ethical.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:39 am

Lakerjones wrote:
Barnstable wrote:I think Maggetty is underselling X as a 2 way player. He's going to be way better than Cory Maggetty defensively IMO.

But I'd like X to play the 2 more than 3, because defensively, I like the idea of Henry and Johnson playing together (If Pringles will ever realize Wes is a SF not PF). They could switch everything, and their man and team defense would be solid.


^^ Pretty darned good idea Barnstable. I'd be in favor of that. Things will change when Kobe comes back, obviously since he's the two, but until then this might be a very good change-up to the starting lineup.

Let's face it, Nash/Blake combo is awful. Blake has no business playing the 2. He didn't under Brown, and he doesn't under Pringles either. And he played 32 minutes at 2 last game. :hurl:

Nash or Blake at the one, Henry at 2, Johnson at 3, Hill or Williams at 4 and Pau at 5 would be a very nice lineup. I'd like to see that. That leaves Farmar/Blake at 1, Meeks at 2, Young at 3, Hill or Williams at 4, and Kaman at 5 off the bench.

Those are some balanced, and solid lineups with everyone playing at their best prospective position, and nobody taking on too many minutes. Good combinations of youth and vets.

Agreed completely.

Nash (15)/Farmar (28)/Blake (5)
Henry (28)/ Meeks (15)/ Young (3)
Johnson (24)/ Young (24)
Hill (28)/ Williams (15)/ Gasol (5)
Gasol (23)/ Kaman (25)

Still no one playing more than 28 minutes per game with more balance. It preserves Nash and Gasol and still uses all the youth that we have until Kobe comes back.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:37 pm

^^ That looks great to me, realdeal. :jam2:

Now if only D' Antoni would wake up and realize that he needs to do something of this nature.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby kenzo on Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:39 am

^^ i like it... especially the PT for Blake :man1:.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:51 am

Lakerjones wrote:^^ That looks great to me, realdeal. :jam2:

Now if only D' Antoni would wake up and realize that he needs to do something of this nature.

I'm not sure what the plan is here. Maybe he's just fiddling around until Kobe comes back because he doesn't want to get a rotation switched up due to Kobe? I don't really know.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:13 am

^^ I have other ideas about why. Basically it boils down to the fact that he is wedded to playing small ball. I don't need us to play "Big" - but just normal rotations/positions would be such a huge improvement.

He's fixated on playing two PG's or three guards, he's fixated on going small at 4 and 5 with Johnson and Hill respectively. This is why I was saying earlier in the preseason that this roster ISN'T actually the fit that everyone was saying for D' Antoni. He is playing most players out of their natural or most effective positions in order to fit his "idea." To me, it's just more stubbornness, not unlike what we saw from the other Mike. He refuses to play Johnson at 3, doesn't like playing Hill at all seemingly, and wants Blake to be our shooting guard. And he almost has no idea how to use Kaman, even though it's obvious that he's a very good backup Center. It's annoying. And the fixes are very simple.
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Re: Xavier Henry Discussion: X Man

Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:37 am

I just don't agree that it's not built for him, LJ. It is, he's just not using it correctly anyway.

The lineups you want him to run or the lineup that I came up with around here IS built for him. It CAN run his system of basketball which is high paced, take all open shots, and push both ends of the court.

He just hasn't seen it.
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