Mon. 4/11 vs. Suns - Results Inside - Postgame comments

Postby Kasumi on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:57 pm

Amazing how it became an 11-point game so quickly.
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:58 pm

The Suns were 10 point favorites to win this game, and they won by 11...





Lakers are garbage... 10 point dogs at home....




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Massive changes Mitch.

Massive.
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Postby Kirk20 on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:58 pm

Hard to believe it was a 2 point game 2 minutes ago :man4:
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Postby Kob3eight on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:58 pm

The bright side is Mitch got booed during halftime ceremony

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Postby Guest on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:58 pm

Joe Johnson, caron's man has 26 pts, 10-16

108-97 Final Phoenix
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Postby amanda08 on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:59 pm

omg! whats with all the 3's? :bang: ?????
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:59 pm

LAKERGIRL8 wrote:
leftymo wrote:I think this puts the nail in the coffin. If Caron Butler is a Laker next year, I'm not watching them.

just because caron is not having a good day today does not MAKE HIM A BAD PLAYER




He's been AWFUL all year. ALL year.


The sooner he's an ex-laker the sooner the lakers can move forward.
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Postby Guest on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:59 pm

Kob3eight wrote:The bright side is Mitch got booed during halftime ceremony

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Postby Ginofan on Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:59 pm

Seriously not that bad of a game....they kept up well. It wasn't even a whipping until the last minute and a half.
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Postby Kirk20 on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:00 pm

DWonderful wrote:Joe Johnson, caron's man has 26 pts, 10-16

108-97 Final Phoenix


Jim Jackson, Kobe's man had 25 pts, 9-17
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Postby Guest on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:00 pm

WE WANT BALLS!!!
WE WANT BALLS!!!
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Postby Kasumi on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:00 pm

leftymo wrote:The Suns were 10 point favorites to win this game, and they won by 11...





Lakers are garbage... 10 point dogs at home....




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Massive changes Mitch.

Massive.


I disagree, the team needs continuity and massive changes don't help with that. A couple key pieces, develop what you have and they will be good again.
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Postby Kob3eight on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:01 pm

Is someone recording 20th special after the game? Please post!!!
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Postby Karl11-Caron1 on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:01 pm

wow 50-34 pts in paint lakers w/ 50...


im surprised they didnt get around 70 pts in the paint from layups/dunks...

im guessing jim jackson and johnson shot lights out from outside the paint...which was what killed us... :bang: oh well
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:03 pm

DWonderful wrote:Joe Johnson, caron's man has 26 pts, 10-16

108-97 Final Phoenix





Actually in all fairness to Caron, he wasn't guarding Johnson for the most part. Since Q went out, he was guarding Jim Jackson.



But the only negative offensively was his 4 missed layups, and not being able to catch the ball.


The stuff I hate about Caron is what he doesn't do defensively. He doesn't help, he doesn't box out, and he stands 15 feet away from his man!


There were times in the 2nd half, where he just stayed put, and didn't even move, didn't even care where his man was, and didn't help either.

Once he goes to the middle of the key for no reason what soever, finds himself behind another guy so that when his guy gets a wide open 3 (jim jackson) he isn't even close to contesting it, making it seem like he was picked.

It was HORRIBLE...


Butler has to be moved. I can't take his stupidity...he's the anti-horry. Does all the little things to COST you games.
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Postby Little_Duck on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:05 pm

Butler has an excuse for being garbage. I mean he has so much passion. He should use that passion to be the greatest player ever. :bang:
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:05 pm

DWonderful wrote:WE WANT BALLS!!!
WE WANT BALLS!!!




Toronto almost won tonight at home, but they lost. Clippers didn't play. Lakers failed to gain any ground tonight. No more balls added with this loss.


With the Seattle win, we LOST balls.


We need Golden State, LAC, Toronto, and NYK to win for us to get balls.
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Postby Scyth3r on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:06 pm

Looked like Kobe was lazy at the end. Gave up the open 3 (because Kobe doesn't feel like he needs to guard his own man so damn often), and then gave another 3 (that was missed) and stood there not going after the rebound.
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:10 pm

missmyzte wrote:I disagree, the team needs continuity and massive changes don't help with that. A couple key pieces, develop what you have and they will be good again.




Well, first you have to evaluate the current talent, and realize that the talent on the floor isn't good enough, even with continuity.

Once you realize you have the talent, then you need the continuity. Right now the Lakers boast a backup PG, a 6th man SF, a backup C, and a SF playing PF for their starting lineup. 3/5 of the starting unit wouldn't start for a great many teams in the league!

So that's where the massive changes come from. Then have continuity.

The 96-97 Lakers had Kobe, Shaq, EJ, Elden, Nick, amongst others... they had the talent and just needed the continuity...

It's one thing to ask the Lakers to play better defense. It's another thing to expect Atkins (who can't guard anyone) to stop guys like Nash, Bibby, Parker. Expect Caron to handle Lebron, Melo, Vince, Tmac, Lewis, Manu, etc... Expect Odom to handle Duncan, Webber, Brand, Garnett... Expect Mihm to handle Kaman, Zman, Shaq, Yao...

It's a lack of talent.
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Postby Danny Ainge on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:14 pm

leftymo wrote:Did anyone see that? Caron was AWFUL on that play, and let Jackson bury an uncontested three for NO REASON...


where's danny ainge when you need hiM?
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Postby Kob3eight on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:16 pm

leftymo wrote:
DWonderful wrote:WE WANT BALLS!!!
WE WANT BALLS!!!




Toronto almost won tonight at home, but they lost. Clippers didn't play. Lakers failed to gain any ground tonight. No more balls added with this loss.


With the Seattle win, we LOST balls.


We need Golden State, LAC, Toronto, and NYK to win for us to get balls.


Its so sad, I want BALLS so bad...we all want BALLS, we all need BALLS, we all crave for BALLS.

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Postby LakerPR on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:23 pm

leftymo wrote:It's one thing to ask the Lakers to play better defense. It's another thing to expect Atkins (who can't guard anyone) to stop guys like Nash, Bibby, Parker. Expect Caron to handle Lebron, Melo, Vince, Tmac, Lewis, Manu, etc... Expect Odom to handle Duncan, Webber, Brand, Garnett... Expect Mihm to handle Kaman, Zman, Shaq, Yao...

It's a lack of talent.


On the other hand, other teams also expect scrubs to handle
Kobe/Mihm/Caron. You can't expect all-stars at every position.
Defense is about effort first, talent second. This Laker team has
no discipline and defense system. The coach is mostly at fault,
but Kobe also sets a bad example as the leader.
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Postby leftymo on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:32 pm

LakerPR wrote:
leftymo wrote:It's one thing to ask the Lakers to play better defense. It's another thing to expect Atkins (who can't guard anyone) to stop guys like Nash, Bibby, Parker. Expect Caron to handle Lebron, Melo, Vince, Tmac, Lewis, Manu, etc... Expect Odom to handle Duncan, Webber, Brand, Garnett... Expect Mihm to handle Kaman, Zman, Shaq, Yao...

It's a lack of talent.


On the other hand, other teams also expect scrubs to handle
Kobe/Mihm/Caron. You can't expect all-stars at every position.
Defense is about effort first, talent second. This Laker team has
no discipline and defense system. The coach is mostly at fault,
but Kobe also sets a bad example as the leader.



True, but there's a reason why prognosticators expected this team to win 42 games at best, or hang around the 6-8 playoff position. It's b/c they looked at the talent and realized they aren't that good!
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Postby extreme on Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:39 pm

We could have won, we didn't won because omg the threeeee are falling down like rain for phoenix.
They are a three point shooting team
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Postby Lakerfan36 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:03 am

extreme wrote:We could have won, we didn't won because omg the threeeee are falling down like rain for phoenix.
They are a three point shooting team


thats true...and the lakers arent ...i dont understand why they shoot SO MANY :bang:
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