Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby The Rock on Sat May 28, 2011 11:15 am

http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard

Cavs, Pistons, Twolves discussing 3-team trade that would give Cavs 1st & 2nd picks, sources say


Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick


Cavs would then draft Kyrie No. 1 and Derrick Williams No. 2. Nothing imminent but trade us being discussed by the teams.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby XXIV on Sat May 28, 2011 11:21 am

The Cavs must really think Derrick Williams is worth it if they are willing to spend their trade exception on a washed up Rip Hamilton.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby abeer3 on Sat May 28, 2011 11:49 am

hamilton's only got one year left, right? makes some sense, if they believe that those two guys are that much better than whomever is going to be there at 4.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby jimbo327 on Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 pm

3 bad teams trading turds to each other. sad.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby LAKEROC on Sat May 28, 2011 1:47 pm

I would do it, if I'm the Cavs. I still think they should consider drafting Enes Kanter. He may be there at #4, and I like the Irving-Kanter duo. Williams is a very good player, but I honestly like Enes Kanter more than Williams. Maybe they are moving up, since Kanter has had a phenomenal combine? 2012 is going to be stocked with small forwards(Harrison Barnes, Micheal Gilchrist,Quincy Miller, James McAdoo). Take Irving and Kanter(if you can guarantee he stays at #4).
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby The Rock on Sat May 28, 2011 2:09 pm

http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/74570788686139392

Forgot to mention that if trade happens Cavs would buy out Rip Hamilton. But may be smart to wait & see if amnesty clause in new CBA....


We need to go after RIP if he's bought out...he has skills to play PG/SG/SF on our team
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sat May 28, 2011 2:16 pm

The Rock wrote:http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/74570788686139392

Forgot to mention that if trade happens Cavs would buy out Rip Hamilton. But may be smart to wait & see if amnesty clause in new CBA....


We need to go after RIP if he's bought out...he has skills to play PG/SG/SF on our team

Especially if brown hires keuster(sp)...
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby John3:16 on Sat May 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Rip can not play SF. I also think he's washed up. He'd have to come very cheap to get a look.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby nameant on Sat May 28, 2011 2:32 pm

I would take Rip. In a reserve role he can provide a nice scoring punch and make the defense work.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby Rooscooter on Sat May 28, 2011 2:52 pm

^ We don't need to spend any $$ on a player that plays inside of 18'. Too many of those on this team right now. Floor spacing is what we need and a pass first point guard, not a mid 30's, injury prone shoot first 2.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby laakers on Sat May 28, 2011 5:42 pm

Wait, what do the pistons get other than ridding themselves of R.I.P.?
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat May 28, 2011 5:53 pm

laakers wrote:Wait, what do the pistons get other than ridding themselves of R.I.P.?


They get nothing but savings. The 8th pick in this weak draft is worth getting rid of to save that kind of cheddar.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby therealdeal on Sat May 28, 2011 5:55 pm

I don't think I want Rip Hamilton. Too old. Give the Lakers some youth.

If he's bought out he probably finds his way to Miami or Boston.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat May 28, 2011 5:58 pm

^ He'd start for Chicago.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby therealdeal on Sat May 28, 2011 6:05 pm

^ Good point, forgot them. Chicago would take a good look too.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby silver0187 on Sat May 28, 2011 6:17 pm

wow, nice move for the Cavs if it goes
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby Helljumper on Sat May 28, 2011 7:04 pm

Has there ever been a draft where one team had the first two picks?
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Postby TheBrownMamba on Sat May 28, 2011 7:05 pm

Smart move by the Cavs
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby eNlight on Sat May 28, 2011 8:17 pm

wow cavs trying desperately to beat lebron to the championship. only thing is, lebron is 4 wins away from gilbert's bold prediction.

only thing is, cavs have been horible in the draft besides lebron james. anyone remember luke jackson?
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby Jobu on Sat May 28, 2011 8:32 pm

Luke Jackson was a consensus lottery pick on almost every draft board in 2004, so you can't really fault the Cavs for drafting him. Heck, some boards had him going as high as 7. He was a contender for the college player of the year his senior year and I think the Wooden award too, so there was a lot of excitement surrounding him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/news/story?id=1826621
http://preps.scout.com/2/269725.html
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/2004mock.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/specials/draft/2004/06/15/mock.draft.1/index.html


They really didn't have many high draft picks the past 7 years and there's been significant turnover at the front office now, so I don't think you can really use the past as a barometer either. There's a new GM, new coach, new scouts, etc.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby GNC on Sat May 28, 2011 8:44 pm

an Irving + Williams duo would be a great tandem in the future.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby LAKEROC on Sat May 28, 2011 8:58 pm

To the person who asked if a team has ever had the top two picks in the draft. The answer is yes, however not in the NBA. I distinctly remember in 1992 the Indianapolis Colts selecting both 1st and 2nd in the 1st round of the draft. They drafted(if mememory serves me) Steve Ematman from Washington, and Quentin Coryatt from Texas A&M. As for if an NBA team has ever drafted 1st and 2nd, the answer is no. No NBA team in history has ever drafted 1 and 2 in the same draft before, and this would be the first time since 1992 that a professional sports team would have that luxury. Cavs make history if they can pull it off. I also personally believe the Williams talk is smokescreen. I feel that Minnesota like Enes Kanter, and wants to draft him. I think Cleveland realizes this, and knows now he won't be there at #4. I think this is why they are trying to move up and get him. I think Williams is a smokescreen. Rest assured though, Kyrie Irving is going #1, and that is no smokescreen.
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby SmoothOperator on Sat May 28, 2011 10:23 pm

I don't watch much college basketball, but I read nbadraft.net's scouting report on Derrick Williams..... even though his nba comparison is David West/Michael Beasley.... from the description of his strengths and weaknesses, he sounds alot like Marvin Williams...

If so, that's nothing overwhelming to get too excited about....

....anyone who actually watched him play want to correct me on this?
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby SmoothOperator on Sat May 28, 2011 11:08 pm

I would also like to mention a crazy idea I just thought of if the Cavs do get the #1 and #2 pick...

I'm not sold on Derrick Williams being even #2 worthy (based on my opinions through reading draft reports and watching youtube mixes... take it for what its worth lol), it does seem like Enes Kanter may be the better player to take at #2.

I think we can all agree Kyle Irving has all the makings of becoming a good nba PG.

Now here comes the crazyness.... looking back at the past 10 nba drafts and looking solely at the top 2 picks for every year... usually 1 of them would be considered a "bust" pick because they were taken that high.... I bolded the bust of each year... and consider them a bust at that pick because there usually is a player that was picked within the next 2-3 picks that became much better...

2010: #1 John Wall, #2 Evan Turner (Could have had Favors, Wesley Johnson, DeMarcus Cousins)
2009: #1 Blake Griffin, #2 Hasheem Thabeet (drafted 3,4,5 was James harden, Tyreke, Rubio)
2008: Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley (3,4,5 was Westbrook,Love, annd Gallinari)
2007: Oden, Durant (3,4,5 of Horford, Conley, Jeff Green)
2006: Andrea Bargnani, Lamarcus Aldridge (3,4,5: Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Sheldon Williams... okay, this year the #1 bust isn't too bad)
2005: Andrew Bogut, Marvin WIlliams (3,4,5: Deron williams, Chris paul, Felton)
2004: Dwight Howard, Emeka okafor (3,4,5: Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris... the Okafor pick at #2 was a decent pick)
2003: Lebron, Darko Milicic (3,4,5: Melo, Bosh, Wade)
2002: Yao Ming, Jay Williams (3,4,5: Dunleavy, Gooden, Tskitishvili.... never really got to see what Williams got to do due to his accident but may he be considered a bust because he had such a nil of a career?)
2001: Kwame Brown, Tyson CHandler (Pau Gasol, Eddy Curry, Jason Richardson)



....so the point I'm making is usually there's a "consensus" #1 and #2 where usually the lottery winner gets the luxury to decide who would be better. History has shown that in the past 10 years, the majority of times one of the top 2 picks is a bust.... the "bust" may end up having a solid career, but theres usually a few players taken directly after them who end up having a significantly better career.....

..... point is, Derrick Williams is fools gold and Kanter may be the better pick. :man12:
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Re: Cavs, Minny and Detroit discussing big trade

Postby LAKEROC on Sun May 29, 2011 10:33 am

^2010- Evan Turner- Way too incredibly soon to call him a bust.
2009- Hasheem Thabeet- Ok, I agree with this
2008- Micheal Beasley- Just averaged almost 20PPG, and almost 6RPG. Sorry, not a bust.
2007- Greg Oden- Guy has always played well.... when he plays...which is where the problem is. He is always injured. His talents are there, and he has already proven he can play in this league...when he plays. I still think he will end up having a better career than Kwame Brown or Darko Milicic, but that's not saying much.
2006 Andrea Bargnani- Sorry, he's not a bust. I disagree.

2005- Marvin Williams- Agreed 100%. He is a bust!

2003- Darko Milicic- Agreed 100%. He is a bust!

2002- Jason('Jay') Williams- Jason Williams(he will always be Jason to me),was a very good player for Chicago, and if it wasn't for that incredibly stupid motorcycle accident, he would probably be an all-star point today. I don't count him. He was excellent before the injury.

2001- Kwame Brown- Agreed 100%. He is a bust!
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