Combine results: Best athletes, from ESPN INsider

Combine results: Best athletes, from ESPN INsider

Postby SWOL on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:26 pm

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While the height and weight measurements from the NBA predraft camp are interesting and relevant, NBA GMs and scouts also spend a lot of time dissecting the results of the NBA physical combine.

Last year Joey Graham (Raptors) rated as the top athlete in the draft, boosting his draft stock. Rashad McCants (Timberwolves) and Luther Head (Rockets) also finished in the top 10 and saw a nice little bump to their stock, too.


Players are asked to bench press 185 pounds as many times as they can, test their vertical jump two ways (no step and maximum) and run several drills to measure speed and lateral quickness.


For the fourth straight year Insider has obtained this confidential report from a league source.


North Carolina's David Noel tested as the top athlete in the draft. He was followed by Arkansas' Ronnie Brewer, Louisiana Lafayette's Dwyane Mitchell, Michigan's Daniel Horton, Memphis' Rodney Carney, Villanova's Randy Foye, Louisville's Taquan Dean, Georgetown's Brandon Bowman, Maryland's Nik Caner-Medley and UNLV's Louis Amundson.


St. Louis' Ian Vouyoukas, Denver's Yemi Nicholson, Bradley's Patrick O'Bryant, Oklahoma State's Frans Steyn and Texas' Brad Buckman tested as the worst athletes in the draft.


UCLA's Jordan Farmar shocked everyone by recording the biggest maximum vertical with a whopping 42 inches. Five other players jumped 40 or more inches in the maximum vertical jump: Mitchell (41.5), Brewer (41), UConn's Rudy Gay (40.5), Washington's Brandon Roy (40.5) and Iowa State's Will Blalock (40). Nicholson (26) and UConn's Marcus Williams (28) had the two worst scores in the camp.

Hartford's Kenny Adeleke and Gonzaga's J.P. Batista tested as the strongest athletes in the camp. They both bench pressed a 185-pound bar 26 times. Three other players got the bar up 20 or more times: Duke's Shelden Williams (25), Bowman (24) and Cincinnati's Eric Hicks (20). Memphis' Shawne Williams tested the worst with zero reps.


In the lane agility testing, Horton had the best score, finishing the drill in 10.35 seconds. Foye and Dean tied for second at 10.53 seconds. Noel and Illinois' James Augustine (10.54) also tested very fast. Nicholson had the worst score (13.7 seconds).


In the three-quarter-court sprints, Carney led the way in a blinding 3.06 seconds. Noel (3.07), George Washington's Danilo Pinnock (3.08) and Charlotte's Curtis Withers (3.1) also tested well. Nicholson came in last again (3.72).


Here's a look at how the top players in the draft performed in every category:


COMBINE RESULTS
Player Rank No step
vertical Max
vertical Bench
press Lane
agility Sprint
Maurice Ager 37 29.5 35 11 11.73 3.22
LaMarcus Aldridge 68 26.5 34 8 12.02 3.43
Hilton Armstrong 67 28.5 31.5 13 12.28 3.53
Ronnie Brewer 2 35 41 19 11.32 3.14
Rodney Carney 5 32 38.5 10 10.57 3.06
Mardy Collins 33 31.5 37.5 9 12 3.27
Jordan Farmar 12 33.5 42 11 11.07 3.17
Randy Foye 6 32 38 14 10.53 3.23
Rudy Gay 26 33 40.5 9 11.03 3.32
Aaron Gray 75 26.5 30.5 17 12.63 3.71
Adam Morrison 59 25.5 30.5 11 11.46 3.37
Patrick O'Bryant 79 26.5 30 13 12.68 3.63
J.J. Redick 51 27.5 33 6 10.94 3.29
Brandon Roy 30 34 40.5 6 11.13 3.27
Saer Sene 72 28.5 31 7 12.52 3.38
Cedric Simmons 20 30.5 35 15 11.05 3.31
Tyrus Thomas 21 34 39.5 8 11.36 3.2
Marcus Williams 73 24.5 28 4 11.3 3.4
Shawne Williams 57 32 31 0 10.69 3.3
Shelden Williams 31 29 33.25 25 11.53 3.59


Analysis: The big winner here is obviously Brewer, who tested much better than expected in the vertical jump and strength categories. Combine that with his excellent measurements, and it looks like Brewer could move up in the draft. You don't find that combination of size, strength and athleticism in a guard very often. His so-so lane agility test was the only thing that hurt him, but given his size the score isn't bad.


Farmar also should get a big boost from his combine results. No one -- and I mean no one -- expected him to top out the vertical jump testing. He also tested well in the strength department. His speed scores were a little on the average side for a point guard, but given the type of game that he plays, this was a win for Farmar.


People have been saying Foye is a poor man's Dwyane Wade. How does the tale of the tape between the two compare athletically? Here's a look at Foye compared to Wade's 2003 testing:


TALE OF THE TAPE: WADE VS. FOYE
Height Weight Wingspan Standing
reach Max vert Bench Lane agility Sprint
Wade 6-5 212 6' 10¾" 8' 6" 35 9 10.56 3.08
Foye 6-3½ 212 6' 6¼" 8' 1" 38 14 10.53 3.23




Wade is considerably bigger when you add wingspan and standing reach to the equation. Foye jumps higher and is stronger. Both have similar lateral quickness, but where Wade really shines is in the sprint. That score would've been good for third place in this draft class.

Gay, Thomas and Carney have been billed as the best athletes in the draft, and their scores certainly verified that. What was a little more surprising was Roy. He's been billed as an average athlete, but he tested better than expected -- especially his 40.5-inch vertical.

As we reported earlier, Redick tested better than you'd think in just about every category except strength. He is by no means a great athlete, but he's not a bad one, either.


Five top players really took a huge hit in the testing.


Marcus Williams tested dead last among all guards in the draft. Guys like Gerry McNamara, Carl Krauser and even Mardy Collins tested better. When several GMs called him a below-average NBA athlete, they weren't kidding.


Collins didn't fare so well himself. The lane agility score of 12 seconds is awful for a guy trying to play guard.


O'Bryant also tested poorly for a guy who looks so athletic out there. He tested as the 18th-best center at his position. That's not good. His vertical jump, lane agility and sprint were all poor. That was a major surprise.


Texas' LaMarcus Aldridge is athletic but he pales in comparison to LSU's Tyrus Thomas in almost every category. Aldridge ended up being ranked 28th out of 33 power forwards in the draft.


Gonzaga's Adam Morrison also didn't do anything to dispel talk that he's not a great athlete. Only one true small forward, Marquette's Steve Novak, tested worse. The only thing that saved Morrison from sinking to last place was a good showing in the bench press.

One note: A number of potential first-rounders were either not invited to the combine or were unable to attend, so we don't have their scores. They include Italy's Andrea Bargnani, Kentucky's Rajon Rondo, Villanova's Kyle Lowry, Michigan State's Shannon Brown, Switzerland's Thabo Sefolosha, Ukraine's Olexsiy Pecherov, Florida State's Alexander Johnson, Miami's Guillermo Diaz, Rutgers' Quincy Douby, Cincinnati's James White, UConn's Josh Boone, Colorado's Richard Roby and Texas' Daniel Gibson.
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Postby slimjim on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:47 pm

keep an eye out for taquean dean...

he won't get drafted IMO...

but i think he can make a roster if he can plays good in the SPL
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Postby LUUUKE on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:50 pm

farmar 42?????????

FARMAR!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

but man..im sold on brandon roy
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Postby la3346 on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:58 pm

Man, those numbers are whacked. How many times do they measure these guys? What if some guys tried harder than others?
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Postby G on Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:50 pm

la3346 wrote:Man, those numbers are whacked. How many times do they measure these guys? What if some guys tried harder than others?


Am I the only one that laughed extremely hard at this?
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Postby Flatlyner on Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:37 pm

G wrote:
la3346 wrote:Man, those numbers are whacked. How many times do they measure these guys? What if some guys tried harder than others?


Am I the only one that laughed extremely hard at this?


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Postby bb7793 on Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:22 pm

slimjim wrote:keep an eye out for taquean dean...

he won't get drafted IMO...

but i think he can make a roster if he can plays good in the SPL


If he somehow doesnt get drafted Mitch better try to get him in here. I have seen him light up some folks before. I think he could thrive in the Tri especially with open shots, he has the heart to knock them down
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Postby JSM on Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:17 pm

Some interesting notes I saw...

Aldridge could only do 8 bench presses
Bobby Brown, McCray, and Hill-only 1 :man3:
Yemi Nicholson-only 8, I would have thought he would have been able to do more
Sene-only 7

Craig Smith, Frans Steyn, and Shawne Williams didn't do any. I don't know why.

Dwayne Mitchell has the most impressive vert. 37 1/2 in. without a step. 41 1/2 in. with a step.

Carney has the speed. 3/4 quarter sprint in the best time, 3.06 seconds.

Top 5 athletes
1) Noel
2) Brewer
3) Mitchell
4) Horton
5) Carney
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Postby eNlight on Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:22 pm

slimjim wrote:keep an eye out for taquean dean...

he won't get drafted IMO...

but i think he can make a roster if he can plays good in the SPL


plays well :mhihi:
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Postby slimjim on Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:43 pm

bb7793 wrote:
slimjim wrote:keep an eye out for taquean dean...

he won't get drafted IMO...

but i think he can make a roster if he can plays good in the SPL


If he somehow doesnt get drafted Mitch better try to get him in here. I have seen him light up some folks before. I think he could thrive in the Tri especially with open shots, he has the heart to knock them down


ya the ting about dean is that he screams triangle PG

his biggest knock is that he is a tweener(SG in a PG body) who has little PG skills

all he can do is defend and shoot the lights out

those are the only 2 things we need from our PG.... odom and kobe will be doing all the facilitating

the dude is atheletic as as they get....

3.9% body fat.... :man4:

i'd love banks starting with smush and dean coming off the bench... great depth at PG

he can be had for cheap too!!!! it's pretty much a gurantee we can get him with our 2nd round pick...
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Postby KB24 on Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:43 pm

damn I love Brewer.

Mitch you freakin idiot, DO IT
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Postby showtime32 on Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:32 am

How could Wade only have a 35" max vert.... I find that veryyy hard to believe. And isn't he listed at 6'4?

Also, I was just wondering, how exactly does the lane agility test work?
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Postby slimjim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:07 am

showtime32 wrote:How could Wade only have a 35" max vert.... I find that veryyy hard to believe. And isn't he listed at 6'4?

Also, I was just wondering, how exactly does the lane agility test work?


my highschool tested agility like this

lie on ur belly.. the teacher says go... as fast as you can get up and run...

run 10 metres pick up a small wooden block, reverse go the other way back to the start switch the blocks...(there is 1 at the starting point) run back 10 metres to where you first got the block, switch the blocks again, and than back to the start


i'm guessing there agility test is something like that, going back and forth over "X" amount of distance.
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Postby High IQ on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:34 am

FARMAR? :man4: :man4: :man4:
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Postby showtime32 on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:46 am

slimjim wrote:
showtime32 wrote:How could Wade only have a 35" max vert.... I find that veryyy hard to believe. And isn't he listed at 6'4?

Also, I was just wondering, how exactly does the lane agility test work?


my highschool tested agility like this

lie on ur belly.. the teacher says go... as fast as you can get up and run...

run 10 metres pick up a small wooden block, reverse go the other way back to the start switch the blocks...(there is 1 at the starting point) run back 10 metres to where you first got the block, switch the blocks again, and than back to the start


i'm guessing there agility test is something like that, going back and forth over "X" amount of distance.


wow that seems a lot for 11seconds?? thanks for that, do u know what they would do precisely, coz i wanna compare my measurements to theirs.
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Postby purple_and_gold_fever on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:44 am

Flatlyner wrote:
G wrote:
la3346 wrote:Man, those numbers are whacked. How many times do they measure these guys? What if some guys tried harder than others?


Am I the only one that laughed extremely hard at this?


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Postby LukeWalton on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:50 pm

Jordan Farmar has a 42 inch vert....im pretty shocked..

I hope he stays in the draft..Hopefully Lakers can draft him.
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Postby slimjim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:58 pm

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1351

very interesting article about the overhyping of the measurements...

this article compares these "top atheletes" to players who ranked much lower in the same year but are having huge success in the nba

i was hyped about these measurements and though highly of some and much lower of others because of there measurements.. but read the article and i think we will all agree...

don't that these results seriously...
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:31 pm

i wonder what kobe how kobe was ranked in 96
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Postby Cruiser on Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:02 pm

There's an article by Jonathan Givony talking about how worthless the athletic combine results are in how poorly they translate to the NBA.

It's a worth a read.

For instance, Dwayne Wade was the 14th most athletic player in 2003. The most athletic players the last two years are NO LONGER in the NBA. Bosh was like 40th in 2003; similarly, Aldridge is in a similar position this year...
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:02 pm

Cruiser wrote:There's an article by Jonathan Givony talking about how worthless the athletic combine results are in how poorly they translate to the NBA.

It's a worth a read.

For instance, Dwayne Wade was the 14th most athletic player in 2003. The most athletic players the last two years are NO LONGER in the NBA. Bosh was like 40th in 2003; similarly, Aldridge is in a similar position this year...


its like 3 posts up :man12:
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Postby ZenMaster4President on Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:52 pm

slimjim wrote:http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1351

very interesting article about the overhyping of the measurements...

this article compares these "top atheletes" to players who ranked much lower in the same year but are having huge success in the nba

i was hyped about these measurements and though highly of some and much lower of others because of there measurements.. but read the article and i think we will all agree...

don't that these results seriously...


I think it worth quoting again. May be should have its own thread.

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