According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby Basketball Fan on Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:44 am

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/22 ... st-fought/

Rondo F-Bombed Rivers; Two Almost Fought

One piece of information that has not come out during the alive/dead/alive/dead Celtics-Clippers trade talks is Rivers’ motivation in wanting to leave the Celtics.

It isn’t just that he doesn’t want to be a part of a rebuilding situation; it is because he has an intense dislike for point guard Rajon Rondo.

A source close to the Celtics tells Chris Sheridan of SheridanHoops.com that Rondo droopped an F-bomb on Rivers in the locker room during a team meeting, and Rivers went after Rondo and tried to fight him before the fracas was broken up.

(RELATED: PETER MAY COLUMN: WHAT IS UP, DOC?)

More details on that piece of news are revealed in this interview with Bill Lekas of SiriusMadDog Radio.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby S.R.05 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:47 am

then they're both idiots. doc shouldn't be trying to fight his players regardless of what they say
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby Basketball Fan on Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:04 am

Maybe Doc was getting Kevin Johnson flashbacks when he was talking to Rondo :boxing1:
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:15 am

LOL! No wonder Doc wanted out; he might just go to TV and so some broadcasting. Or do the Celtics trade Rondo?
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby Basketball Fan on Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:18 am

They won't trade Rondo who would they get in return?
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Postby 432J on Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:25 am

they want to build around rondo so they certainly won't trade him. and that's obviously the main reason why doc wants out.

but i do wish the lakers and celtics would revisit that rondo-gasol deal
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:02 pm

Basketball Fan wrote:They won't trade Rondo who would they get in return?


Pau....... :man1:
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Postby Congo Cash on Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:27 am

Yeah, this was shocking news indeed... :man11:
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby OX1947 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:03 am

If Rondo is fighting KG, Pierce, Allen, Doc, anyone, how long do you think it would talk before him and Kobe got into it. Please, no.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:15 am

OX1947 wrote:If Rondo is fighting KG, Pierce, Allen, Doc, anyone, how long do you think it would talk before him and Kobe got into it. Please, no.


Kobe and Rondo actually like each other though because they have similar personalities.

I wouldn't doubt if all of them didn't like Rondo, because he's the type of guy to tell those guys to shut up and stand up to them.

He could be the next Fisher to keep Kobe in line during games. :man12:
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:46 pm

OX1947 wrote:If Rondo is fighting KG, Pierce, Allen, Doc, anyone, how long do you think it would talk before him and Kobe got into it. Please, no.


Hell.... I wanna punch KG and Pierce and that's just from hearing the sound bites on TV... can't imagine what it's like being around them all of the time....

Rondo is interesting in a lot of ways. He's getting a reputation as being un-coachable but Doc doesn't seem to be the most flexible of coaches either. I'd take him on the Lakers in a NY minute for any of our "tradable assets".
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:51 pm

I'll take Rondo. Matter of fact, he's an unrestricted free agent in 2015. I'd rather have a point guard who is a great pure shooter, but if Rondo is the only option, he's definitely not a bad one.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:01 pm

^^Actually PG who are also shooters dominate the ball too much in today's league. IMO Rondo is the perfect PG in a lot of ways..... he doesn't NEED to shoot and he can create with the best of them. Add in defense and the fact that he elevates his game like few others in the playoffs and to me he might be the best PG for a team with Howard.

He doesn't need 3 screens to get into the lane like Paul and Nash either....... that allows the shooters to be on the parameter.

Complete pipe that we could find a way to get him and keep Howard and Kobe together. That would create a balanced 1, 2 and 5 positions... now for the other 8....
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:52 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Actually PG who are also shooters dominate the ball too much in today's league. IMO Rondo is the perfect PG in a lot of ways..... he doesn't NEED to shoot and he can create with the best of them. Add in defense and the fact that he elevates his game like few others in the playoffs and to me he might be the best PG for a team with Howard.

He doesn't need 3 screens to get into the lane like Paul and Nash either....... that allows the shooters to be on the parameter.

Complete pipe that we could find a way to get him and keep Howard and Kobe together. That would create a balanced 1, 2 and 5 positions... now for the other 8....


Do you think Rondo would "qualify" as a ball dominant point guard? He needs the ball just as much as a Paul or Nash, IMO. No, he doesn't need 2 or 3 screens & can create easy baskets for himself and teammates. I think your point about his defense is right on...he's long, athletic, plays the passing lanes, and he can stay in front of the opposing teams PG's which is more then we've in Fisher, Sessions, or Nash.

I don't think Kobe will be playing in 2015, IMO. I think if Rondo is available and Howard is locked at that time, we might offer Rondo a Max contract. Howard and Rondo will ideally have about 3-4 years; we can fill out the rest of the roster with only 2 max players. We have to spend wisely, though.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby charvin on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:36 pm

From what I've seen, Rondo needs to be (if we're implying that he isn't) a ball dominant PG to be successful. Otherwise, he becomes a second Tony Parker - he can create and get into the lanes, but is an unreliable mid/long-range shooter.
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Postby thkthebest on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:30 am

432J wrote:they want to build around rondo so they certainly won't trade him. and that's obviously the main reason why doc wants out.

but i do wish the lakers and celtics would revisit that rondo-gasol deal
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Dude, where have you been? Celtics have been trying to trade Rondo every year, but no team wants him because the Celtics are trying to trade him as if he's a superstar.

charvin wrote:From what I've seen, Rondo needs to be (if we're implying that he isn't) a ball dominant PG to be successful. Otherwise, he becomes a second Tony Parker - he can create and get into the lanes, but is an unreliable mid/long-range shooter.

O.o I know you didn't mean to...but this is such an insult to Tony Parker. This almost sounds like you are saying that Tony Parker is Rondo without the ball. Parker has a pretty good midrange jumper. It's not nonexistent like Rondo's.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby NoisyBook on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:10 am

He's unbelievable effective the game in many ways. He can score if he wants. We saw that in the 2012 playoffs.

Gasol for Rondo? Yes for every day. He's the only Celtic that I watch.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby charvin on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:23 am

Sorry to say, but I think exactly that. Even though over the years, Parker has developed his mid-range shot, it is still somewhat erratic and not consistent. To me, he still looks to be diffident (lacking confidence) in his shooting (teardrop shots not included) of jumpshots. Everyone has a jumpshot, it's just that I think both Parker and Rondo are unreliable at it, just that Parker is better than Rondo in this department.

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432J wrote:they want to build around rondo so they certainly won't trade him. and that's obviously the main reason why doc wants out.

but i do wish the lakers and celtics would revisit that rondo-gasol deal
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Dude, where have you been? Celtics have been trying to trade Rondo every year, but no team wants him because the Celtics are trying to trade him as if he's a superstar.

charvin wrote:From what I've seen, Rondo needs to be (if we're implying that he isn't) a ball dominant PG to be successful. Otherwise, he becomes a second Tony Parker - he can create and get into the lanes, but is an unreliable mid/long-range shooter.

O.o I know you didn't mean to...but this is such an insult to Tony Parker. This almost sounds like you are saying that Tony Parker is Rondo without the ball. Parker has a pretty good midrange jumper. It's not nonexistent like Rondo's.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:53 am

Rondo as a Laker terrorizing Doc's Clips?


that would be fun to watch
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:38 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:Rondo as a Laker terrorizing Doc's Clips?


that would be fun to watch

If there was a way, I'd do it in an instant. He may be a jerk, but he's a winner. The dude can game.
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Re: According to Chris Sheridan Rondo and Doc Rivers almost foug

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:57 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^Actually PG who are also shooters dominate the ball too much in today's league. IMO Rondo is the perfect PG in a lot of ways..... he doesn't NEED to shoot and he can create with the best of them. Add in defense and the fact that he elevates his game like few others in the playoffs and to me he might be the best PG for a team with Howard.

He doesn't need 3 screens to get into the lane like Paul and Nash either....... that allows the shooters to be on the parameter.

Complete pipe that we could find a way to get him and keep Howard and Kobe together. That would create a balanced 1, 2 and 5 positions... now for the other 8....


Do you think Rondo would "qualify" as a ball dominant point guard? He needs the ball just as much as a Paul or Nash, IMO. No, he doesn't need 2 or 3 screens & can create easy baskets for himself and teammates. I think your point about his defense is right on...he's long, athletic, plays the passing lanes, and he can stay in front of the opposing teams PG's which is more then we've in Fisher, Sessions, or Nash.

I don't think Kobe will be playing in 2015, IMO. I think if Rondo is available and Howard is locked at that time, we might offer Rondo a Max contract. Howard and Rondo will ideally have about 3-4 years; we can fill out the rest of the roster with only 2 max players. We have to spend wisely, though.


I don't think he's nearly as ball dominant as Nash or Paul.... the shots per game play that out. He scores if they play off of him and he's very good at taking what's available. He pushes the ball better than those two and not having to have the entire team focusing on freeing him up is a big deal IMO.

He's ball dominant compared to a Triangle initiator but I don't think so in comparison to the Nash/Paul type.
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