Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:37 am

Source: Aldridge's rep meets with Olshey to talk trade scenarios

LAS VEGAS – The camp for Portland Trail Blazers All-Star forward LaMarcus Aldridge arranged a meeting with general manger Neil Olshey in a Las Vegas hotel lobby on Sunday to suggest several trade scenarios, a league source informed CSNNW.com.

According to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the situation, the meeting was described as being productive with both sides focused on doing what's best for both parties.

Aldridge, 27, has two years and roughly $30 million remaining on his current contract and I'm told Olshey is in no rush to facilitate a deal at the urging of a player's camp, especially if the organization isn't getting equal value in return.

Trading Aldridge for a collection of draft picks will not be an option.


Prospective teams holding the rights to Joakim Noah, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Al Horford and Anthony Davis, as of now, have declined to involve their franchise players in any potential deals for Aldridge, a league source told CSNNW.com.

Unless something changes after Summer League, the likely development is Aldridge returning to Portland next season and having a strong year to increase the likelihood of Olshey pulling the trigger on a deal.

When Aldridge is a year removed from becoming a free agent, his camp will have more leverage than at the current time.

Aldridge told CSNNW.com that he did not request a trade and we confirmed that as being fact. However, he's not opposed to one and he has no issue with returning if that be the case, a source close to All-Star revealed to CSNNW.com.

Unfortunately, this situation hasn't died down.

Aldridge has played his entire seven-year career as a member of the Trail Blazers. He has a career average of 18.3 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.9 assists and 1.0 blocks per game.

http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/source-aldridges-rep-meets-olshey-talk-trade-scenarios

I don't think they'd take Pau unless they can't get a better deal. We'll probably have to wait until February to have any chance of him landing here.

Pau is an expiring, which means they'll have cap room in 2014. Something they don't have right now with Aldridge onboard.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby ThizGuy83 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:40 am

a pau for aldridge deal in the works? :man1:
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:28 am

I don't want Aldridge if it costs us LeBron/Carmelo. And yes I'm serious.

Because honestly we can go get Love in 2015 (with or without the above deals) who I think is a better fit for the Lakers and who played at UCLA. He's a stud and I think he'd love being here.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby 432J on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:33 am

therealdeal wrote:I don't want Aldridge if it costs us LeBron/Carmelo. And yes I'm serious.

Because honestly we can go get Love in 2015 (with or without the above deals) who I think is a better fit for the Lakers and who played at UCLA. He's a stud and I think he'd love being here.

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having a chance at acquiring lebron, carmelo, or love is much more important than getting aldridge. yeah he's good but is he any of those 3 players i mentioned? no
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:50 am

therealdeal wrote:I don't want Aldridge if it costs us LeBron/Carmelo. And yes I'm serious.

Because honestly we can go get Love in 2015 (with or without the above deals) who I think is a better fit for the Lakers and who played at UCLA. He's a stud and I think he'd love being here.


I believe if you can get something for Pau, you do it. You don't rely on the hope that LBJ/Melo will show up at your door. If Aldridge needs to go in order to land Lebron/Melo, we'll have no problem finding a taker for him.

Also, Aldridge's current contract ends in 2015, so picking up Love in free agency won't be an issue.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:56 am

revgen wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I don't want Aldridge if it costs us LeBron/Carmelo. And yes I'm serious.

Because honestly we can go get Love in 2015 (with or without the above deals) who I think is a better fit for the Lakers and who played at UCLA. He's a stud and I think he'd love being here.


I believe if you can get something for Pau, you do it. You don't rely on the hope that LBJ/Melo will show up at your door. If Aldridge needs to go in order to land Lebron/Melo, we'll have no problem finding a taker for him.

Also, Aldridge's current contract ends in 2015, so picking up Love in free agency won't be an issue.

I would agree with that idea, but not for Aldridge honestly. I don't value him as highly as I do Rondo or Love.

I'd gladly give up the 2014 plan if we got the RIGHT guy. I'm just not sold that Aldridge is that guy.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby thkthebest on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:59 am

What the...kind of surprised by the responses. If we can get Alridge, then you have to do it. I would take Aldridge over Carmelo any day. I really don't get the infatuation with Melo, and besides, Aldridge would ENTICE LeBron to come.

I don't see it happening since they just rejected the #1 and #19 pick for him, but Aldridge > Melo.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:01 am

This is surprising to me...I think they're developing a decent team in Portland. Lillard, Matthews, Batum, and Aldridge are a decent team going forward...unless he wants to win right now on a championship level team?
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:20 am

thkthebest wrote:What the...kind of surprised by the responses. If we can get Alridge, then you have to do it. I would take Aldridge over Carmelo any day. I really don't get the infatuation with Melo, and besides, Aldridge would ENTICE LeBron to come.

I don't see it happening since they just rejected the #1 and #19 pick for him, but Aldridge > Melo.

I don't agree that Aldridge is better than Carmelo Anthony at all. They're very similar: mostly scoring except that Carmelo is by and far more versatile.

Aldridge isn't a great defender, he's not a fantastic athlete, he's not even as great a rebounder as he should be given his size.

I like him, but I don't love him. I don't love Carmelo either, far from it, but I think Anthony is FAR better bait than Aldridge. Not even close honestly.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby thkthebest on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:59 am

They aren't similar at all. Aldridge is also a good defender...not really sure where his bad defense reputation comes from. He doesn't average 3 turnovers per game. He doesn't take his team out of the game by chucking up shots or by not playing any defense and further pissing them off. Melo is only good when his jumper is on. Otherwise, he's absolutely useless and will actually hurt your team. Aldridge also has a good jumper, but even if it's off, he can finish inside and defend well. He'll take shots within the flow of the offense and won't hurt your team by continually chucking.

Melo:
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- Out of shape unless he plays in the Olympics the summer before the season.
- Minimal impact on his team
    - +3.2 per 48 minutes this season (Olympic season)
    - -2.0 per 48 minutes last season
    - +0.8 per 48 minutes 2 years ago
- Bad defense and even when he "tries", he loses focus after like 5 seconds.
- Plays same position as LeBron


Aldridge:
Code: Select all
- Since he's a professional, he doesn't need the Olympics to remain in shape.
- Has an amazingly positive impact on his team
    - +9.2 per 48 minutes this season (down year, shot too many jumpers)
    - +12.6 per 48 minutes last season
    - +15.3 per 48 minutes 2 years ago
    - Drastic difference to Melo's
- Plays good defense. His rebounding kind of takes some of that away from it, but KG has played elite defense this past 5 seasons without rebounding at an elite rate. Gasol rebounded at a similar rate before coming to the Lakers too.
- Plays a different position from LeBron


Those +/- numbers are a huge difference. Lamarcus also has the higher RAPM. It's sad when your team can't even perform better with your star max player (Melo) and we'd be doomed to throw the max at him. Meanwhile this other guy goes under the radar after having such a significant impact every single season. Without Aldridge, Blazers had a bottom 5 offensive rating and a bottom 3 defensive rating last year.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:07 am

He goes under the radar because he's not as good. I don't put any stock really into plus/minus numbers. They're fun to look at, but it's all extremely situational. If Nash gets hurt, Farmar comes in, and the team goes on a 8-0 run with Kobe scoring then Farmar gets a +8? Eh.

I'm saying they're similar in the most basic of terms: they mostly score and that's it.

I didn't say Aldridge wasn't a good defender, I said he wasn't a great defender. He's not. He's alright.

Aldridge "flies under the radar" because he's incapable of going off like Carmelo Anthony is. Carmelo poses a lot of the similar problems that Kobe Bryant does: if he's not on, he'll cost you. But the point is that he's on more often then he's not and his ability to score the ball far, far outweighs Aldridge's. There's a reason that Carmelo was an MVP candidate for a minute last season and Aldridge didn't make the playoffs.

Look, I like Aldridge. I think he'd be a good piece on a great team, but not at the expense of other pieces that are better than him. I agree that if we got Carmelo and that was all then I wouldn't be too happy. It doesn't have to be Carmelo and LeBron per se, but Carmelo and someone else to control the tempo and take the ball handling out of Carmelo's hands... that's a good combination. Carmelo is at his best when he's being assisted in my opinion.

Aldridge is good, but his talent level isn't on the same plane as Carmelo Anthony. If we had Carmelo AND Aldridge I might be okay with that though.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby thkthebest on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:35 am

I have to completely disagree with you on this. Those +/- examples are extremely situational and a cause of small sample sizes (like a 3 minute sample size). I gave you a 3-season sample size where Aldridge just destroyed Melo. In the grand scheme of things, if you're a good player, your team will do better with you on the floor. If that doesn't happen, then how in the world can you be considered a good player...much less an elite one? You can also look at RAPM, which adjusts for different players/lineups, and Aldridge more than doubles or comes close to doubling Melo every season for the past 3 years.

Going under the radar has nothing to do with how good you are, and I don't think you really believe that unless I'm misunderstanding you. Spurs went under the radar, despite constantly getting a top seed. Dirk and the Mavs went under the radar during their championship run. Even Harden went under the radar. So many people thought he couldn't make the transition from 3rd option to 1st and just now, he averaged 25/5/5 on 60TS%.

You can't fault Aldridge for not making the playoffs. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense for you to value Love higher who's NEVER been in the playoffs. He hasn't even been in the playoff hunt. When Roy went down, Aldridge lead that team to the playoffs with 48 wins, but you value Love over Aldridge. I have a feeling you might even prefer to have Love over Melo.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:47 am

Yeah actually. :man10:

I just have a better gut feeling for Love. Since he's came into the league he's improved dramatically and that's a great sign. His game has evolved to better suit his body and to better suit what he's capable of doing.

But again, I just simply disagree about Lamarcus being better than Carmelo Anthony. I don't think there's much you could do to change my mind about that. It's nothing personal, but I'm unimpressed by the numbers. Numbers can do a lot for you, but they don't pass the eye test in this case for me.

I'm not even a great fan of Anthony's, but I can see where his value is higher than Aldridge's. I wouldn't want to trade for Aldridge and miss on Anthony/LeBron because of it. And I'd bet that most people would agree that LeBron would rather play with Carmelo than with Aldridge. Especially if there's a possibility of re-signing Gasol for cheap.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:26 pm

thkthebest wrote:They aren't similar at all. Aldridge is also a good defender...not really sure where his bad defense reputation comes from. He doesn't average 3 turnovers per game. He doesn't take his team out of the game by chucking up shots or by not playing any defense and further pissing them off. Melo is only good when his jumper is on. Otherwise, he's absolutely useless and will actually hurt your team. Aldridge also has a good jumper, but even if it's off, he can finish inside and defend well. He'll take shots within the flow of the offense and won't hurt your team by continually chucking.

Melo:
Code: Select all
- Out of shape unless he plays in the Olympics the summer before the season.
- Minimal impact on his team
    - +3.2 per 48 minutes this season (Olympic season)
    - -2.0 per 48 minutes last season
    - +0.8 per 48 minutes 2 years ago
- Bad defense and even when he "tries", he loses focus after like 5 seconds.
- Plays same position as LeBron


Aldridge:
Code: Select all
- Since he's a professional, he doesn't need the Olympics to remain in shape.
- Has an amazingly positive impact on his team
    - +9.2 per 48 minutes this season (down year, shot too many jumpers)
    - +12.6 per 48 minutes last season
    - +15.3 per 48 minutes 2 years ago
    - Drastic difference to Melo's
- Plays good defense. His rebounding kind of takes some of that away from it, but KG has played elite defense this past 5 seasons without rebounding at an elite rate. Gasol rebounded at a similar rate before coming to the Lakers too.
- Plays a different position from LeBron


Those +/- numbers are a huge difference. Lamarcus also has the higher RAPM. It's sad when your team can't even perform better with your star max player (Melo) and we'd be doomed to throw the max at him. Meanwhile this other guy goes under the radar after having such a significant impact every single season. Without Aldridge, Blazers had a bottom 5 offensive rating and a bottom 3 defensive rating last year.


These stats match what my eyes see. Not quantified is the fact that Melo also mentally checks out when the pressure is on and isn't a team leader at all.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby PurpleNGold1 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:16 pm

IVE BEEN HEARING BLAKE GRIFFIN FOR LMA
The Portland Trail Blazers and representatives of LaMarcus Aldridge met recently to discuss trade scenarios, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The Blazers have had talks with Chicago about Joakim Noah, with Minnesota about Kevin Love, with Los Angeles about Blake Griffin, with Atlanta about Al Horford and with New Orleans regarding Anthony Davis.

Those teams have declined to involve their players in any potential deals for Aldridge, a source said.

Neil Olshey is reportedly in no rush to facilitate a deal for Aldridge, who has two years and roughly $30 million remaining on his contract
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:26 pm

^ That report says they're NOT doing that. :man10:

And I think that'd be a bad fit honestly. No more high flying.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:10 pm

I'd take Aldridge over Carmelo any day. Aldridge can play F/C and would fit much better alongside Lebron. Carmelo is a ball stopper with a pretty unimpressive all around game, and his effectiveness would be limited playing alongside a ball dominant player such as Lebron.

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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby Johnnyboy on Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:53 pm

therealdeal wrote:I don't want Aldridge if it costs us LeBron/Carmelo. And yes I'm serious.

Because honestly we can go get Love in 2015 (with or without the above deals) who I think is a better fit for the Lakers and who played at UCLA. He's a stud and I think he'd love being here.


Aldridge >>melo or love. And lebron isn't coming to the Lakers cmon guys. If you can get pau for aldridge you do it as fast as possible before the blazers change their minds. Than you sign a superstar in 2014.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:24 pm

^Don't be so quick to right off Lebron as a Laker. I would say there's a very good chance that he's considering it. He's already won a couple championships, and what would be a better way to continue to improve his brand than playing for the premier franchise in one of the greatest cities in the world.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:44 pm

I agree with Frank, THK, and Roo.

I would also like to add that Melo and D'Antoni were never on the same page in New York, which was part of the reason why D'Antoni "resigned" from the team. If Melo is coming here, I'd be surprised if D'Antoni is still here.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby thisbjgz on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:33 pm

I'd just wait for Love..we all know Klove wants out of Minny bad, lol. Plus he'd be coming home to LA. Love >>>> LMA when healthy, not even close IMO.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:56 pm

^Trading for LMA won't interfere with us going after Love in 2015. LMA's contract also ends in 2015.
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby S.R.05 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:08 pm

carmelo is definitely better than LMA
BUT, i think id rather pair LMA with lebron over carmelo with lebron...assuming lebron is even a real possibility
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:50 pm

Not big on LMA , takes too many midrange J , not a great passer ... rebounding and protection of the rim are suspect ...

It's not easy to judge the impact and level of players as LMA or Kevin Love since they are on bad/ below average teams though

The question is could LMA be a legit 2nd option ala 08-10 Pau if you paired him with Lebron
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Re: Aldridge Wants Out of Portland

Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:00 am

revgen wrote:^Trading for LMA won't interfere with us going after Love in 2015. LMA's contract also ends in 2015.


I think people who keep saying Love >>> Aldridge have their beer goggles on b/c they keep missing the point you and others are making.

Besides, We could flip Aldridge for someone else much easier than we could Pau... we get younger, tougher and just better at the PF/C and come out with a better trade chip? Why the heck wouldn't we do that?
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