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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby noobiew on Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:05 pm

I hope Bynum to get healthy and does well for the 76ers
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Weezy on Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:20 pm

revgen wrote:^I don't know how to "look it up". Search function on this site isn't very accommodating. I type in "Bynum laughing bench". All I find are posts from "KeepBynum" talking about Dwight laughing on the bench.

I do remember him not joining huddles and people getting pissed. The laughing during losses, not so much. Then again, we never had a losing season while he was starting, so losses weren't regular occurrences.


Oh I see, well I didn't mean look it up on the site I actually meant do a google search for it because I'm sure there's video. It didn't even occur to me that you'd do a site search, this would be too far back to take the time to find in that way. A quick google search didn't come up with what I was looking for right now, only "Bynum laughs after taking a 3 pointer" and "Bynum laughs after game 2 collapse vs Thunder", but I think this was at least a few years ago. Again though, what does it really matter, to me it isn't a big deal if he did, when you get beat big what are you supposed to do except either stew about it with a stern face, or laugh at how bad it is.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby laker911 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:39 pm

revgen wrote:
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Psychobroker wrote:^ massive, even bigger/more muscular than when he left the Lakers.. i'm hoping he proves all his naysayers wrong (again). :jam2:

Again? When did he ever prove us wrong? Shouldn't he be playing to be able to prove us wrong in the first place? He also has a lot of maturing left to do.


Depending upon who you are...

1) When he became an all-star and a 2nd team all-nba player last season.

2) Oh, and my favorite one...when he became an all-star and a 2nd team All-NBA player, people were making the excuse that Pau "sacrificed his game" so that Bynum could achieve those goals. Nevermind that it was Pau who played like crap during the 2011 playoffs, forcing Bynum into the 2nd option role by necessity. Pau continues his course of horrible play even when Bynum is gone.

3) Our defense continues to suck eggs despite our "slow lazy center" not being here anymore. Our 3x DPOY center was supposed to kiss it and make it better. It appears that some PF "throw in" Mitch acquired in the Howard deal is actually making it better while our "slow lazy PF" is out.

4) The "D12 is a franchise player" crowd. Oops. Looks like we'll be looking for #1 to pair with #2 when Kobe and Nash leave.

1) That is because there is a lack of good centers in the NBA. Bynum is the second best center, but that is not saying much.

2) I agree with this. I never once in my whole post said Pau was going to get better once Bynum left.

3) I would have loved to see how Bynum would have faired defensively with Pringles as our coach.

4) He is a franchise player. He led the Magic to the 2009 finals when he was the main man. This is statistically Howards worst season and it's still close or maybe even better than Bynums best season. I don't get how you can whine and make such a silly assumption.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:43 pm

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Psychobroker wrote:^ massive, even bigger/more muscular than when he left the Lakers.. i'm hoping he proves all his naysayers wrong (again). :jam2:

Again? When did he ever prove us wrong? Shouldn't he be playing to be able to prove us wrong in the first place? He also has a lot of maturing left to do.


Depending upon who you are...

1) When he became an all-star and a 2nd team all-nba player last season.

2) Oh, and my favorite one...when he became an all-star and a 2nd team All-NBA player, people were making the excuse that Pau "sacrificed his game" so that Bynum could achieve those goals. Nevermind that it was Pau who played like crap during the 2011 playoffs, forcing Bynum into the 2nd option role by necessity. Pau continues his course of horrible play even when Bynum is gone.

3) Our defense continues to suck eggs despite our "slow lazy center" not being here anymore. Our 3x DPOY center was supposed to kiss it and make it better. It appears that some PF "throw in" Mitch acquired in the Howard deal is actually making it better while our "slow lazy PF" is out.

4) The "D12 is a franchise player" crowd. Oops. Looks like we'll be looking for #1 to pair with #2 when Kobe and Nash leave.

1) That is because there is a lack of good centers in the NBA. Bynum is the second best center, but that is not saying much.

2) I agree with this. I never once in my whole post said Pau was going to get better once Bynum left.

3) I would have loved to see how Bynum would have faired defensively with Pringles as our coach.

4) He is a franchise player. He led the Magic to the 2009 finals when he was the main man. This is statistically Howards worst season and it's still close or maybe even better than Bynums best season. I don't get how you can whine and make such a silly assumption.


1) Doesn't matter what the era is. The folks who claimed that he'd never be an all-star were proven wrong.

2) Doesn't matter what you think. There were those on this forum who actually bought that line of BS.

3) No difference. Helping the helper is a problem under D'Antoni just like it was under Mike Brown. Also, since we actually funnel the guard to the shotblocker this season instead of having the shotblocker chase guards on the perimter, I expect that Bynum would have probably had more blocks this season if he were healthy. Not that it really matters since he's not here.

4) He led a defense-first Orlando team in a weak Leastern Conference with the Celtics missing KG. And that season, the offense was ran through Turkoglu more than it was through D12. He'd decide either to take the shot himself or pass it to Lewis or D12. When they started running the offense through D12 in later years, they failed miserably, especially that first round loss to Atlanta in 2011 where Dwight averaged 5.5 TO's and 0.3 assists. Not exactly 1st option material. D12 is at his best when he's more involved as a defensive anchor and less involved in running the offense. He should be exclusively used as a finisher only. We need to get a real #1 to pair with him when Kobe and Nash retire. Kyrie Irving would be nice.

This is not statisically his worst season. He's averaging more blocks than he did last season. He's also had worst PPG seasons in his career.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Congo Cash on Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:35 am

They are both immature, and Bynum changes his hairstyle every 2 minutes...
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:11 pm

revgen wrote:
Weezy wrote:
revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.


I don't recall him ever doing it while we were losing a game.


naw he was on the sideline palms up after getting benched for shooting a 3 and acting like he didn't give an F while laughing and joking with Ebanks on the bench.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:17 pm

revgen wrote:
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revgen wrote:Once again, what Bynum and D12 do for other teams besides ours doesn't concern me.

D12 isn't your boy, but you claim he's 1000x better than Bynum ever was? He'd have to be Kareem-level at least to come even close to being 1000x better.

Immature compared to who? Howard? Slow compared to who? Yao Ming? His "80 year old knees" have done way more for this team so far than D12's knees have. Until that changes, the "1000x better" proclamation is simply a joke.


dwight immature off the court, Bynum immature on and off the court, so yea there's big difference there. How exactly would knock knee Bynum being more for this team again when he's still sideline? :man3: Slow compared to Noah, Chandler, more so even compared to the current bum of a center according to you thats currently on our team :man10: who btw is recovering and still PLAYING from back surgery something you have FAILED thus far to acknowledge in any of your rebuttal in regards to Bynum. So like I said you are a true fan through and through to still be able to argue in Bynum favor when the dude career is probably over in the next 2-3yrs tops if he's lucky.


1) I don't recall Bynum knocking up a Laker cheerleader off the court and having baby mama issues. :man10: I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so. Both of them have maturity issues. To claim otherwise is simply ridiculous.
He's busy harashing his neighbors and trying to find that next handicap spot to park in
2) He's done more for this franchise than D12 has done so far. Plain and simple. Maybe D12 surpasses what Drew has done. That hasn't been the case so far. Claiming that D12 is 1000x the player Bynum ever was is simply ridiculous until D12 actually brings more to the table than a possible lottery season.
yes its fair to assese a players contribution after a mere 30 or so games while the other bozo is still clowning around with his Fro and reinjuring his knees by bowling :freak2:
3) Yao Ming was slower than Bynum and the rest of the centers you noted. His Rockets were among the best defensive teams in the league. If Bynum's "slow" feet were responsible for our defensive breakdowns, we wouldn't keep having them with our 3x DPOY onboard.
Hou played one of the slowest pace in the league then and had one of lowest offensive ratings in the league then as well (give and tak). Howard is still showing High on PnR and more often then not can still recover back into the paint, just cause team D still suck doesn't mean Howard isn't doing his job, Bynum stop showing at all on PnR which I guess I can't blame him after a while when he doesn't get help but neither is Howard but he still shows hard on them
4) So what if he's coming off back surgery? He's still playing. If you can hold it against Bynum for playing hurt and being "gimp", then the same courtesy should be applied to D12.
again, Bynum NOT playing, so address that will you please had we kept him?
5) I'm not talking about the next 2-3 years. I'm talking about what he has done as a Laker player. I've repeated this about 2-3 times already, but apparently doesn't get through your thick skull.
and apparently you like to judget a player based on 30+ games or so to a guy who was here all of his career, yea fair assesement, I mean with that kind of rationale I could easily say Nash sucks and he's barely a marginal upgrade from Fish, you know since Fish did so much for our team over the years :man12: :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:48 pm

Weezy wrote:
revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:50 pm

Weezy wrote:Well I could be wrong, but I remember it pretty clearly and people got mad. We lost bad and he was laughing on the bench joking around with a few end of bench guys, look it up I'm pretty sure it happened.


He was laughing and chuckling about the 3 he took that got him benched against the warriors. We were winning that game by 6 or 8 when he took it, and I can't believe so many people blew that shot way out of proportion, considering the terrible shot selection the rest of our team displayed last year. Heck, MWP takes more ill-advised shots in 1 quarter than Bynum took all last season.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:56 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
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revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...


^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:57 am

I miss Bynum. Call me crazy. Maybe it's all the Dwight/Laker drama. Oh, well...
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby 432J on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:45 am

i don't miss drew all that much at all

it always seemed like there was some sort of headache with him anyways
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:54 am

432J wrote:i don't miss drew all that much at all

it always seemed like there was some sort of headache with him anyways


Winning games and making the playoffs never gives me headaches.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:28 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:I miss Bynum. Call me crazy. Maybe it's all the Dwight/Laker drama. Oh, well...


Most of Bynum's issues came out of desire to do more IMO. He wanted to contribute more.... he also had a "desire" to win that is rare these days....Kobe, Pau and Phil even went so far as to give him props for it even though it was causing issues at times. He always seemed to elevate when given the chance in big situations. He had as many game sealing shots/plays last year as Kobe did for example.

Howard seems more interested in image and "Brand" to me.

They both cared enough to be difficult and disruptive..... it just seems that Bynum was more about winning and taking care of business on the floor than Howard is.

In the end comparisons are mute..... we have Howard and Bynum is not playing anywhere.....
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Psychobroker wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
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revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...


^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.


Well it wasn't the first of under-handed comments.

I don't know...being a Laker...being a prized Laker draft pick, having been unproven, having a completely RAW game, getting the chance to work with KAJ, having the GFOAT put faith in you and wait for you to develop, passing on J Kidd when he wasn't even proven, giving you a max deal on a bum knee... etc. the list goes on.

Dude at least owed us the respect of "I'm a Laker, this is where I play this is where I want to be. But it's a business & if something happens, there's banks in every city".

Even then I would've have criticized, but his comments reflect that he was all about the $$, whether true or not.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:09 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
Psychobroker wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
Weezy wrote:
revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...


^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.


Well it wasn't the first of under-handed comments.

I don't know...being a Laker...being a prized Laker draft pick, having been unproven, having a completely RAW game, getting the chance to work with KAJ, having the GFOAT put faith in you and wait for you to develop, passing on J Kidd when he wasn't even proven, giving you a max deal on a bum knee... etc. the list goes on.

Dude at least owed us the respect of "I'm a Laker, this is where I play this is where I want to be. But it's a business & if something happens, there's banks in every city".

Even then I would've have criticized, but his comments reflect that he was all about the $$, whether true or not.


Bynum grew up in NJ with a single mom. He knows he's lucky to be playing basketball for a living and making millions, whether it's with the Lakers or it's with another team. I don't think he has the romantic connection for playing with a particular team. That doesn't mean that he's all about the money. He showed heart playing on a bad limb during the 2009 and 2010 campaigns. He didn't have to do it. He just has a different perspective than somebody like Kobe, who grew up in an upper-middle class two parent household with a father who played basketball for a living and moved from city to city playing for different teams.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:39 pm

For sure the dude has a passion for ball, and I appreciate him playing in '09 & '10. Who knows, Kobe might have that 6th ring if Bynum played in '08.

I think his comment was made more out of frustration with the state of the team at the time.

But I'm not asking him to be a Kobe -- just asking for some loyalty. Just asking for more respect for the team that drafted you, invested in you, planned around you, and took care of you despite not knowing how it would end.

All kinds of Lakers & other NBA players in trade rumors haven't made comments like that. Even Pau, now, hasn't stooped to that level.

It's true, there are banks in every city--but it was the way he said it in the context that it was said.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:56 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
It's true, there are banks in every city--but it was the way he said it in the context that it was said.


I think he wanted out of LA and he was going to get out either by trade or by being a FA..... Also remember that agents broker most of the trades that happen in this league months before they go down..... I'm sure LA's interest in Howard went back 2 years or so and Bynum's agent was fully aware of what LA wanted to do.... which was go for a new Face of the Franchise.

Knowing all of that and being in his position that comment would be "mild" compared to what I'd probably toss out there....... :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:04 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Just asking for more respect for the team that drafted you, invested in you, planned around you, and took care of you despite not knowing how it would end.


And Bynum returned the favor by playing on swollen limbs to help the team win 2 chips. And this same team also traded him for a primadonna who won absolutely nothing because that primadonna has a higher Q rating and a better health track record. You can talk all you want about loyalty. This is a business. Teams and players are going to find the situation that works best for them.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:49 pm

Fair enough. I'm not discounting the contributions he's made for this team. But I also think playing for the Lakers is special, & sure, maybe Bynum didn't buy that sentiment.

Didn't think about it from the agent/player perspective, though in my mind, part of that game is to keep your lips sealed. Admitting nothing gives you the most leverage.

Also by the logic that it's a "business" and people do what's best for them, isn't that what Howard was doing by getting out of ORL? How come more franchise players don't go left and right suggesting they are completely comfortable playing elsewhere...like Steve Nash?
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:00 am

Chillbongo wrote:
Psychobroker wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
Weezy wrote:
revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...


^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.


Well it wasn't the first of under-handed comments.

I don't know...being a Laker...being a prized Laker draft pick, having been unproven, having a completely RAW game, getting the chance to work with KAJ, having the GFOAT put faith in you and wait for you to develop, passing on J Kidd when he wasn't even proven, giving you a max deal on a bum knee... etc. the list goes on.

Dude at least owed us the respect of "I'm a Laker, this is where I play this is where I want to be. But it's a business & if something happens, there's banks in every city".

Even then I would've have criticized, but his comments reflect that he was all about the $$, whether true or not.


Not sure how you can't see the adversity he had to overcome - from the lofty standard of Shaq, Kareem, Wilt hanging over his head when he was drafted (youngest ever), getting up from the floor when Shaq HAMMERED one over him, only to respond with his own on Shaq, to the Kobe vid / tirade / trade demand of May 2007, with Bynum responding 6 months later by dominating out of the gate ad would have earned his first all-star nod, were it not for that damned injury landing on Odom's foot. He fought back from that and started to dominate again, only to get injured AGAIN against the Grizz, AGAIN by a teammate (Kobe rolling into his knee) while .... even after all that, after the Kobe demands for J-Kidd, injuries, etc, he STILL came back and finally earned the all-star nod last year. Not to mention him playing solid D on Dwight in the 2009 finals when he was in there, even on that same bad knee, as well as vs Boston in 2010 (7 blocks in game 3), only for critics to pile the blame on him and say he owed US something? LOL wut?

That kid bounced back from all the adversity, the HUGE microscope and proved he could be a top 1/2 center in the league... and he's not dedicated? no fire? that was the knock on him first .. which was wrong. Yes, he has a temper and a mean streak, and also a sense of entitlement... but that's not the same as Dwight's type of shallow immaturity. That's a guy who has PROVEN himself time and again, and felt his time was last year, and he handled the challenges with coaching decisions and perimeter defense poorly.

But to say he's immature in the sense of not having his basketball priorities in order is just flat wrong, just based on how he'd always bounce back from adversity. That's what chaps my balls about all the Bynum dumping. I just don't see how Dwight would have stood that immense pressure to perform, given his passive/aggressive nature. At least Bynum says what's on his mind and doesn't [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] around an issue.

And with that, he's having to prove himself again -- good for him, I look forward to seeing him do just that.

Now he's on the bike ... next is lateral movement/cuts in the next two weeks:

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Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:55 pm

And working in the post.... look at :45 ... nice test and he seems sharp, but not much lift of course.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:07 pm

No denying what he's gone through, and I appreciate you narrowing it down year by year because it was a lot.

BUT, no, I never actually suggested his basketball priorities were out of place. And if you look above I said, "it sounded like he was all about the money, whether true or not".

It was the attitude that was pissing me off. It was although he was THAT good, his role on that Laker team was defense and rebounding and the 3rd offensive option, and he seemed to have a problem with that by his comments, three point shooting etc.

You could tell he was fed up and wanted out of LA. I just wished (knee aside) he thought like this: OK, I'm gonna do exactly what I need to do with Kobe & Pau to win rings, and once we do and they're gone, it's my franchise.

Unfortunately his knees & his mindset towards his role was a liability.

Dwight left being "the man" to come be a subordinate to Kobe. Bynum, having been subordinate, wanted to be the man.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 pm

^ hear you, but Dwight is already complaining about being in that role, even though he's 2nd in the league in touches among centers.. I get where you're coming from, but I also feel we would have won more games - particularly in the 2011 playoffs vs OKC - had we CONSISTENTLY used Andrew in the post instead of seeing Kobe go Kobe ball/iso on us in crunch time. Andrew had earned his spot, and was CLEARLY a unique offensive weapon, so to relegate a guy like that to 3rd wheel is just idiotic imho.

Now Dwight - well, he can't hit the side of a barn door and God forbid he gets fouled in the act of shooting.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:29 pm

And I agree. Andrew is day & night ahead of Bynum in terms of offense.

I think you meant the 2012 playoffs....and I just looked at the box scores here: http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/westseries6/

Yeah, I think game 3 or 4 Kobe went iso ball. But if you look at the stats we had even scoring distribution. Bynum was taking more shots than even Dwight this year, and rightfully so given that he actually has a post game.

But anyways, could we have gone to Bynum more? Sure. But if you remember he was absolutely terrible at handling double teams -- which is exactly what they started doing when he would dominate.

Chicken or egg though. There are definitely aspects of Bynum's game I dearly miss.
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