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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:41 pm

^ When Dwight is healthy he still is the better fit.

And yes Earl Clark alone appears to be a massive piece in this puzzle.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:43 pm

Bynum was gone regardless IMO.

We have Howard now....

The "Fantasy" of what Howard was to many here when he was in Orlando has failed to live up to those expectations. I watched a lot of him before he got here and frankly I'm not that surprised by what we see. Yes, he's injured, but he's also been overrated the last few years as well. When you combine the two and distill the reality he's a very good player that relies on his freakish athleticism to cover the gaping holes in his fundamental game.

I've been in the minority here in thinking two things about his defense.... first, he's been overrated on that end of the floor in the past.... he's great off the ball but not so good on the ball. His fundamentals as far as blocking out and positioning are not good at all. We have a loss because he failed to block out on consecutive free throw misses late in the 4th earlier this year. Second, I don't believe in the theory of a "defensive anchor". It's a myth created by the hype machines IMO. To designate someone as that is to let others off the hook for playing team defense. Defense is a team approach.... when you start singling out players to do this or that it's already failed.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:16 pm

I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:01 pm

^Not that I know Bill Russel's game....but Shaq dominated the league, averaged 30 ppg in the playoffs with 3 assists 15 boards on 55-60% from the field.

I don't think Dwight is anywhere near that, nor will he be.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby khmrP on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:07 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

:man10: you valuation is wack, Javal Mcgee makes $10mill/yr and Chanlder makes $13-14mill/yr, even slow bro Hibbert makes max. Dude got a bad attitude but the hate is getting epic now with these comments.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:15 pm

khmrP wrote:
V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

:man10: you valuation is wack, Javal Mcgee makes $10mill/yr and Chanlder makes $13-14mill/yr, even slow bro Hibbert makes max. Dude got a bad attitude but the hate is getting epic now with these comments.

I was thinking the same thing. There's no way that Dwight Howard is worth LESS than the max. If only because big men who can be effective on both ends of the floor are rare. In a free market of the history of the NBA is he worth the max? Not right now. But there's a limited number of bigs in the NBA right now worth a crap.

And he's the best of the bunch.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:24 pm

Dang, Hibbert is max?

Yeah, for sure Dwight is max then. But IMO, not worth it if he's going to be having a lot of 8 point, 1-7 FT games.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:47 pm

He's in his weakest state right now and he doesn't have many of those. Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon and that Dwight will again be the number one guy and I don't see him having more than a handful of single digit shot attempts.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:53 pm

therealdeal wrote:Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon

noooooooooooooo


But seriously, even if he got more FGA's it wouldn't result in better games, necessarily. Now if he gets them in the pick and roll with Nash, sure.

But I get your point, he's a max player when he's a featured option. Well lets see it then Dwight!
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:12 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon

noooooooooooooo


But seriously, even if he got more FGA's it wouldn't result in better games, necessarily. Now if he gets them in the pick and roll with Nash, sure.

But I get your point, he's a max player when he's a featured option. Well lets see it then Dwight!

Just like everybody else (in fact likely moreso), it's been a really tough transition. Nash was the man, Kobe was the man, Nash was the man, and Gasol/Artest are both old. It's been tough finding the balance.

I think Dwight is getting it, but it's been a slow process for him; mainly because he's younger and less mature.

I think as time goes on and he heals up and gets to work out again more, he'll regain some of what made him so effective before. I don't know when the last time he played this weak physically was. He simply can't move people out of the way like he used to. He used to literally move people with his massive shoulders. As he regains form there, his offense won't look quite so bad.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby last stand on Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:00 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.


yes. a good indicator of dwight's ability is him at 23 years old going against kobe bryant and a pau gasol (in his prime)

makes sense. some people use very solid logic
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby dmaul on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:14 pm

Do not miss this stiff one bit. Even as disastrous as the season has been and Howard not 100% and possibly leaving in the summer, it was worth the gamble. I'd rather have everything unfold the way it has than to have Bynum sitting on the bench this whole year and the fanbase cursing him and our luck for having that kind of player. In the end, even if Howard goes, we can get pretty good pieces for him and that's better than Bynum and maybe even better than Dwight.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby revgen on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:50 pm

laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?


Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:31 am

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V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.


yes. a good indicator of dwight's ability is him at 23 years old going against kobe bryant and a pau gasol (in his prime)

makes sense. some people use very solid logic


Didn't Dwight come into the league at 18? That's 5 years in the league, in his athletic prime. I'd say that's decent logic. Besides, how much has his game grown since then.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:57 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.


By Dwight's 3rd year the Magic became an elite defensive team every season. They were no worse than top 6 in the league except for last year when he played injured and missed games, they were 12th as a result

His defense isn't overrated at all. We're just not getting the same Dwight that the Magic had.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby dj vitus on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:49 am

Forget his knees, man. What the bleepity bleep is this?!! :toilet3:

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Postby BigDan24 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:51 am

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:02 pm

revgen wrote:
laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?


Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?


Dwill is having his worse staticial #s of his career, ALL his stats are down across the board, his coaching staff has called him out for being out of shape and he playing with mulitple injuries that will require surgery. So different player probably same if not worse results. You make it sound as if FO should've KNOWN they were gona eventually hire Antoni in regards to getting Dwill over D12, how does logic like that even apply :man3:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:08 pm

Bynum seems to have lost touch with reality. :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Juronimo on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:24 pm

dj vitus wrote:Forget his knees, man. What the bleepity bleep is this?!! :toilet3:

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Alexxander on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:39 pm

dj vitus wrote:Forget his knees, man. What the bleepity bleep is this?!! :toilet3:

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This guy is outta his mind, lol. Can't stop laughing, what's gotten into him? :man10: :man10: :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby revgen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:01 pm

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revgen wrote:
laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?


Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?


Dwill is having his worse staticial #s of his career, ALL his stats are down across the board, his coaching staff has called him out for being out of shape and he playing with mulitple injuries that will require surgery. So different player probably same if not worse results. You make it sound as if FO should've KNOWN they were gona eventually hire Antoni in regards to getting Dwill over D12, how does logic like that even apply :man3:


Even with the season D-Will is having, D-Will fits the current coach/system better than D12 does. D12 is also having a worse season statistically this season and also needs surgery in the offseason, so your point is moot.

Yes, I'm saying what I would have done had I known that we were going to hire D'Antoni. Hiring a guy like him makes no sense if D12 is the player you're building around for the future.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:11 pm

revgen wrote:
khmrP wrote:
revgen wrote:
laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?


Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?


Dwill is having his worse staticial #s of his career, ALL his stats are down across the board, his coaching staff has called him out for being out of shape and he playing with mulitple injuries that will require surgery. So different player probably same if not worse results. You make it sound as if FO should've KNOWN they were gona eventually hire Antoni in regards to getting Dwill over D12, how does logic like that even apply :man3:


Even with the season D-Will is having, D-Will fits the current coach/system better than D12 does. D12 is also having a worse season statistically this season and also needs surgery in the offseason, so your point is moot.

Yes, I'm saying what I would have done had I known that we were going to hire D'Antoni. Hiring a guy like him makes no sense if D12 is the player you're building around for the future.


it is not moot because unlike Deron, Howard has to play next to a #1, Deron isn't playing next to anyone to have his #'s affected like it has even with the injuries and my point was it wouldn't matter if its Deron or D12, the record would we similar if not worse since we wouldn't have a center, I'm pretty sure as some have noted Pau would've easily worn down that much quicker if we didn't have this gimpy Howard. Well as for last point unfortuantely there's no one in the FO that can see into the future like you did.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:13 pm

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby revgen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:56 pm

khmrP wrote:
revgen wrote:
khmrP wrote:
revgen wrote:
laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?


Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?


Dwill is having his worse staticial #s of his career, ALL his stats are down across the board, his coaching staff has called him out for being out of shape and he playing with mulitple injuries that will require surgery. So different player probably same if not worse results. You make it sound as if FO should've KNOWN they were gona eventually hire Antoni in regards to getting Dwill over D12, how does logic like that even apply :man3:


Even with the season D-Will is having, D-Will fits the current coach/system better than D12 does. D12 is also having a worse season statistically this season and also needs surgery in the offseason, so your point is moot.

Yes, I'm saying what I would have done had I known that we were going to hire D'Antoni. Hiring a guy like him makes no sense if D12 is the player you're building around for the future.


it is not moot because unlike Deron, Howard has to play next to a #1, Deron isn't playing next to anyone to have his #'s affected like it has even with the injuries and my point was it wouldn't matter if its Deron or D12, the record would we similar if not worse since we wouldn't have a center, I'm pretty sure as some have noted Pau would've easily worn down that much quicker if we didn't have this gimpy Howard. Well as for last point unfortuantely there's no one in the FO that can see into the future like you did.


That doesn't explain D12's rebounding numbers going down. It also doesn't explain how his TO's are just as bad this season (3.0 TO's this season, 3.1 TO's career avg) despite not being a #1 option. It also doesn't explain how his PF's are the highest of his career despite playing less minutes. D12 has said it himself. He's not 100% and it's affecting his play.

I'm not so sure the records would be different. Many teams don't have legit centers anyway. And the NBA rules favor guards more than they ever have before. A 3 guard lineup and our current coach/system would mesh together much better than what we currently have, even if we have to have Sacre or Clark playing center.

The FO is the body that determines whether they will fire a coach or not. So in essence, they can predict the future when it comes to hiring and firing.
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