Andrew Bynum Discussion: Out for the season, 2x knee surgery

nameant · by **nameant** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:57 pm

Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

bystander · by **bystander** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:57 pm

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:14 pm

John R. Finger:Doug: “It was kind of funny. Doc Rivers and I were talking one night and he was talking about low-post centers ...

John R. Finger:more Doug: "and he said the only guy he really worries about is Andrew Bynum and I was about ready to choke... "

John R. Finger:Doug: " ... “I was thinking, ‘Hey Doc, we’re going to get him tomorrow.’”about 30 minutes ago

GoldHammish · by **GoldHammish** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:37 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
John R. Finger:Doug: “It was kind of funny. Doc Rivers and I were talking one night and he was talking about low-post centers ...

John R. Finger:more Doug: "and he said the only guy he really worries about is Andrew Bynum and I was about ready to choke... "

John R. Finger:Doug: " ... “I was thinking, ‘Hey Doc, we’re going to get him tomorrow.’”about 30 minutes ago

Make us proud and kill 'em for us, Drew :jam2:

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:14 pm

He's going to get the Celtics at least 2 more times now and he's going to bring that fiery Laker hate with him.

Kill 'em, Drew.

Kobe8Fan · by **Kobe8Fan** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:28 pm

gcclaker · by **gcclaker** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:43 pm

SI just reported that Philly is looking to move Brown and Hawes either near the end of training camp in October or prior to the trade deadline in February. It would be wiser for them to lose Brown instead of Hawes who can at least produce on offense as a backup. I don't see Bynum playing over 35 minutes a game. It would be a strain on those knees of his.

MadMax · by **MadMax** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:35 pm

nameant wrote:Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

C'mon, when's the last time they had something to get this excited about? They just acquired the 2nd best big man in the NBA for a very reasonable price. I don't think he is a franchise player (yet?), but Philly fans are justified in their excitement, imo. Also, perhaps they are trying to show how much they appreciate him as a player because of the eventual contraction extension choice decision that looms down the road.

recoveringusername · by **recoveringusername** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:27 pm

nameant wrote:Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

Some fan bases aren't as blessed as the Lakers fans. Who has been the sixers best player since Iverson? Iggy, Brand? Of course they are excited knowing they got one of the best big men in the game. Who in the east can stop Bynum? lol

JSM · by **JSM** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:33 pm

The Rock wrote:He did say Eastern Conference has a lot of decent centers LOL

Hibbert, Nene, Okafor, Horford, Chandler, Lopez, Noah, Camby, Bosh, Amare, KG (some aren't C but will see some minutes there)

JSM · by **JSM** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:34 pm

gcclaker wrote:SI just reported that Philly is looking to move Brown and Hawes either near the end of training camp in October or prior to the trade deadline in February. It would be wiser for them to lose Brown instead of Hawes who can at least produce on offense as a backup. I don't see Bynum playing over 35 minutes a game. It would be a strain on those knees of his.

Plus Hawes was one of the players Drew mentioned during his presser of a guy he is looking forward to playing with.

Texas Lakers Fan · by **Texas Lakers Fan** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:38 pm

nameant wrote:Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

Why can't Drew be a franchise player? Why can't he lead Philly back to the promised land? We've ever seen Drew as the man on the team. No one can say with any certainty if Drew can be a franchise player or not. We'll find out, but to say he definitely can't be a franchise player is absurd.

dmaul · by **dmaul** on Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:41 pm

Historically, when a significant player is traded from the Lakers they are sad and disappointed. Obviously, tells us they loved it here, maybe liked where they live, the organization, etc. etc. When I see Bynum all smiles part of me thinks this is a guy who would be all smiles anywhere in the league because there's a bank in every city like he said. He just has to put in his few hours playing basketball and gets to spend the rest of his time having fun. I do give him credit for being a professional in the sense of not pouting, not threatening to not show up or threatening to retire like some players do. He's been a real pro dealing with all the trade rumors and frankly this must be a relief for him to finally be in a place that will embrace him and want him long term (at least for now).

And then I think it's too bad he didn't have the desire and motivation to give a good effort every game, to concentrate on rebounds and defense and not care about touches. To play so hard and want it so bad that he would be hurt if his name was ever mentionned in a trade rumor because he gave it his all for his team and would feel betrayed and disrespected if the franchise dared to question his loyalty and committment to winning and being a good teammate. But these qualities are not in his DNA. He's a borderline all-star player who does just enough.

KB24 · by **KB24** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:29 am

You have to understand this is the first time in a decade that Philly has a top 2 player at one position...not every franchise has 24 HOF players like the Lakers.

Think about that...in 70 years we have 24 HOFs and quite a few in the pipeline.

Murdock · by **Murdock** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:36 am

Am I the only one who thought that the press was kind of weird? Well you can't blame them they don't have that much of experience as Mitch has :D anyway it felt weird, they didn't even thank Andre for his time there and such ...

Also looking at Phillies roster, they had pretty decent and YOUNG team ... if they can develop I can see them as no. 2 in the east in two years time IMO ... very nice young team on paper

nameant · by **nameant** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:39 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
nameant wrote:Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

Why can't Drew be a franchise player? Why can't he lead Philly back to the promised land? We've ever seen Drew as the man on the team. No one can say with any certainty if Drew can be a franchise player or not. We'll find out, but to say he definitely can't be a franchise player is absurd.

If Drew could be a franchise player, why would we have traded him? It doesn't take a player 7 years before you know whether or not he has IT. Usually you know within a year or 2 whether a player can be a franchise player. Drew is a fantastic #2 but he's never going to be THAT GUY that carries a franchise. There are some things you just know from watching basketball for a long time. Read between the lines in Kareem's comments, he knows it as well. If the Lakers thought Drew could be a franchise player, they wouldn't have traded him. Dwight on the other hand, MAY lead this franchise as the man in the future. Big difference.

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:34 am

nameant wrote:
Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
nameant wrote:Wow...that was kinda sad. It's funny to watch franchises overreact. All respect to Andrew, he's an all-star player, but he's not good enough to be the face of a franchise or actually bring that franchise any sort of success. This guy acts like they just traded for the best player in the world. Philly definitely improved but a contender? Not quite.

EDIT: Also...the hyping up of Jason Richardson?? Dood is a journeyman.

Why can't Drew be a franchise player? Why can't he lead Philly back to the promised land? We've ever seen Drew as the man on the team. No one can say with any certainty if Drew can be a franchise player or not. We'll find out, but to say he definitely can't be a franchise player is absurd.

If Drew could be a franchise player, why would we have traded him? It doesn't take a player 7 years before you know whether or not he has IT. Usually you know within a year or 2 whether a player can be a franchise player. Drew is a fantastic #2 but he's never going to be THAT GUY that carries a franchise. There are some things you just know from watching basketball for a long time. Read between the lines in Kareem's comments, he knows it as well. If the Lakers thought Drew could be a franchise player, they wouldn't have traded him. Dwight on the other hand, MAY lead this franchise as the man in the future. Big difference.

Clearly Philadelphia believes otherwise. I think part of the problem is that you're ignoring a few details about Andrew's situation. I believe Drew was incapable of being a franchise player here in LA with Kobe still on the roster. Bynum IMO needed room to grow and he needed a team of his own that's built around him being the #1 option. From what I've read, almost everyone here is saying they believe Drew will flourish with his own team. Most folks seem to agree that it wasn't about Drew being incapable of carrying a team, it was about Drew being unmotivated and disinterested here in LA because an aging star is still the center of attention and the focal point of the offense.

nameant · by **nameant** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:49 am

I understand why they believe otherwise. He's a huge upgrade for them. And I agree he had a problem with being unmotivated and disinterested sometimes as the #2 guy, but that's his problem. That is what separates the top tier from the second tier. Yes Nash is older, but we have 3 superstars on this team now, 3 future HOFers. Do you believe any of them will be less motivated playing with each other? Plenty of teams have/have had 2+ franchise players at the same time and have flourished. The Heat just won it all with 2 franchise players, the Celtics had 3 of them that contributed at an equal level during their run, the old Lakers had Kobe and Shaq, Showtime had Magic, Worthy, & Kareem, the Bulls had Jordan and Pippen, and the list goes on.

As Drew became more established he seemed to zone out more when things weren't going his way. That was the one thing I didn't like about him. Dominating didn't seem to come natural to him even though he has the talent. The kind of players that aren't happy being on a contender and winning b/c they aren't the #1 guy aren't usually capable of being the #1 guy, or at least have a different focus other than winning. I have no doubt Drew will put up 20 and 10 for years to come with Philly, but do I believe those numbers will amount to anything and Philly will be legitimate title contenders with Drew as their franchise guy? Definitely not. I wouldn't mind being wrong b/c Philly would make Miami's run tougher, but I just can't see it. If Drew was capable of that, why would we have traded him in the 1st place? We upgraded to get THAT GUY, that franchise capable player.

Delicious · by **Delicious** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:12 am

I believe that Andrew has the ability to lead a franchise however his talents surpassed the role he was playing for the Lakers. When he tried to do more he was punished for it. We know shooting three's and wanting to shoot jumpers is not what is expected from your big man but I think we should have at least have let Drew explore his offensive abilities. Like Phil would allow Kobe to do, the makeup of the team and his personal injuries stunted his growth and it appears to me that is what lead him to feel disinterested. Playing with stars when you're becoming a star can be good or bad for you. Howard has tried on his own and failed
Bynum was carried and now wants to stand on his own two.

KB24 · by **KB24** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:00 am

JSM wrote:
The Rock wrote:He did say Eastern Conference has a lot of decent centers LOL

Hibbert, Nene, Okafor, Horford, Chandler, Lopez, Noah, Camby, Bosh, Amare, KG (some aren't C but will see some minutes there)

thats cold :man9:

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:28 am

nameant wrote:I understand why they believe otherwise. He's a huge upgrade for them. And I agree he had a problem with being unmotivated and disinterested sometimes as the #2 guy, but that's his problem. That is what separates the top tier from the second tier. Yes Nash is older, but we have 3 superstars on this team now, 3 future HOFers. Do you believe any of them will be less motivated playing with each other? Plenty of teams have/have had 2+ franchise players at the same time and have flourished. The Heat just won it all with 2 franchise players, the Celtics had 3 of them that contributed at an equal level during their run, the old Lakers had Kobe and Shaq, Showtime had Magic, Worthy, & Kareem, the Bulls had Jordan and Pippen, and the list goes on.

Actually, most folks would disagree with you here. Guys who are unsatisfied with being the #2 guy and hunger for that #1 option role often make the best leaders provided they're actually good enough to fill that #1 spot. Now if you have a player who isn't as good as he thinks he is, then yes, I'd agree with you. However Andrew is incredibly talented and a force on the floor when he's eager and motivated. Right now it's a bit of a toss up with him as he's had his ups and his downs over the years, but most folks are betting on him being motivated in his new surroundings.

With regards to Nash, he's an aging superstar hunting for a chip, and thus while he's not being relegated to role player status, history will tell us that players in his position are often more willing to defer a bit more than a player in his prime with two rings looking to forge his own legacy elsewhere. Comparing Drew's situation with Steve's is apples to oranges as they both have completely different goals at this point in their respective careers. It's why Boston's Big Three worked in '08 as all three of those guys were into the twilight years of their careers and hunting for their first chip. Conversely it's why Shaq and Kobe couldn't be held together beyond '04. Had one of those guys been ok with being a #2, they'd have dominated the league for a decade. Instead we all know how that turned out.

nameant wrote:As Drew became more established he seemed to zone out more when things weren't going his way. That was the one thing I didn't like about him. Dominating didn't seem to come natural to him even though he has the talent. The kind of players that aren't happy being on a contender and winning b/c they aren't the #1 guy aren't usually capable of being the #1 guy, or at least have a different focus other than winning. I have no doubt Drew will put up 20 and 10 for years to come with Philly, but do I believe those numbers will amount to anything and Philly will be legitimate title contenders with Drew as their franchise guy? Definitely not. I wouldn't mind being wrong b/c Philly would make Miami's run tougher, but I just can't see it. If Drew was capable of that, why would we have traded him in the 1st place? We upgraded to get THAT GUY, that franchise capable player.

I agree, but that has more to do with the reasons I described above i.e. said players aren't as good as they think they are. With regards to having that sort of #1 option mindset however, you just described what goes on in the heads of players like Michael, Shaq and Kobe who combined for half of the chips over the last two decades.

As for why we traded Drew if he's capable of being "that guy", because sometimes a player simply isn't able or willing to be as good as he can be if his surroundings aren't tailored to his needs and wants. Most of us believe that Drew does have franchise player potential, but that he simply didn't have enough room here in LA to turn that potential into production. FWIW, I think Drew has more #1 option potential than Dwight as he's seemingly always had more fire and passion for the game (when motivated) than Howard, I just happen to think that Howard is a better fit for our needs. At this point it simply depends on whether or not Bynum can keep himself motivated and focused for a full 82 game season + playoffs.

bystander · by **bystander** on Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:21 pm

KB24 · by **KB24** on Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:46 pm

Looks like fat Albert lol.

Doesn't seem to be in great shape...fat face.

jimbo327 · by **jimbo327** on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:25 am

ugly jersey

Texas Lakers Fan · by **Texas Lakers Fan** on Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:09 am

Just doesn't look right. :freak2:

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