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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:34 pm

thanks for helping win two rings but good riddance
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby dmaul on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:44 pm

lakerswiz wrote:^ His two major injuries were freak accidents. He might not love basketball and he might be not as dedicated, but to say that those injuries weren't freak accident is laughable in itself.

OK, so a couple of his injuries may have been of the freak nature. Then he has a propensity for getting injured in freak accidents. He has a propensity for getting injured in non-freak accidents. He has a propensity for getting injured...period. I'll guess that that won't change until the end of his career. It's not just bad luck. He's brittle.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:06 pm

LakerFanIam wrote:Think of how many Millions this stupid stunt may cost Drew...

Contract year, still major issues with the knees, showing no sign of maturity or responsibility...

For a guy that expects to get Max Money, he's sure not helping his cause.


Yeah... I'm "L"ing MAO listening to himself dig himself and Gumby a deep hole for come contract negotiation time in this contract year. Something to the effect of, "Well if bowling is going to hurt my knee, what is dunking a basketball (playing the game) going to do?"

But give me my max money....nothing to see here...keep moving and just write that check.

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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:01 pm

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Andrew Bynum's agent continues to keep the specifics of his client's knee issue a secret.

All of the publicly available information on Bynum suggests a probable diagnosis of osteochondral lesions says one of the nation's top orthopedic surgeons, a condition that may keep Bynum out for the season.

The condition could heal on its own within four to six months, but that would keep Bynum out until March or April.

The surgeon said that surgery could keep him from playing for up to a year.

Bynum should know whether he needs surgery by December.
The surgeon spoke on condition of anonymity because Bynum is not his patient.



http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224596/Bynum_Could_Be_Out_Until_March_With_Rest_One_Year_With_Surgery

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One of the top orthopedic surgeons in America, who is not involved in Bynum’s treatment and has not seen his MRIs


Stopped reading after that.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby LAKEROC on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:29 pm

I'd love to have Bynum back next year for MLE, even with all of his injuries, backing up Dwight at the 5. Lakers would essentially have gotten Dwight Howard for Josh McRoberts and Christian Eyenga :man10:
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby Kou on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Thank god he's not our problem anymore.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby ZenMaster4President on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:58 pm

Even if Dwight leaves after this season, we still won the trade. So much anxiety spared for our fans... can you put a price on that?

And that is even without considering that this is not his last injury, probably.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby jimbo327 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:41 pm

The good news is that Bynum can park legally in the handicapped spot now since he is such a fan of them through the years. Karma. I know a lot of celebs and athletes park in the handicap spots, but it's just not right.

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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:55 pm

gill wrote:
Andrew Bynum's agent continues to keep the specifics of his client's knee issue a secret.

All of the publicly available information on Bynum suggests a probable diagnosis of osteochondral lesions says one of the nation's top orthopedic surgeons, a condition that may keep Bynum out for the season.

The condition could heal on its own within four to six months, but that would keep Bynum out until March or April.

The surgeon said that surgery could keep him from playing for up to a year.

Bynum should know whether he needs surgery by December.
The surgeon spoke on condition of anonymity because Bynum is not his patient.





http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224596/Bynum_Could_Be_Out_Until_March_With_Rest_One_Year_With_Surgery

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Well I was curious as to what osteochondarl lesions are. Not a very good ring to it. Sounds like bad news according to this on a Cedars - Sinai site:

http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/He ... icans.aspx

Osteochondral Lesions/Osteochondritis Dessicans

Osteochondral lesions or osteochondritis dessicans can occur in any joint, but are most common in the knee and ankle. Such lesions are a tear or fracture in the cartilage covering one of the bones in a joint. The cartilage can be torn, crushed or damaged and, in rare cases, a cyst can form in the cartilage.

In the knee, such cartilage damage can occur between the femur (thigh bone) and the tibia (shin bone). In the ankle, osteochondral lesions usually occur on the talus, which is the bone that connects the leg to the foot.


Symptoms

After the initial pain and discomfort of a strain or sprain subsides, individuals usually resume or even increase their activity level. If an osteochondral lesion has occurred, however, everyday activities that put pressure on the joint, may lead to pain and swelling, although the joint usually is fine when at rest. A patient with an osteochondral lesion will often feel a dull ache in the joint and may also experience a mild locking or clicking of their knee or ankle joint. The affected joint may also seem to be loose.

Causes and Risk Factors

Usually, an osteochondral lesion occurs when there is an injury to the joint, especially if there is an ankle sprain or if the knee is badly twisted. Individuals who play sports such as soccer, football, rugby and golf may be at risk of an osteochondral lesion. Although the cause of such lesions is unknown, they may involve a genetic predisposition to such a condition. They also may be caused by abnormal bone development, especially when they occur in children. Repetitive trauma has also been associated with the development of such lesions.

Diagnosis

It can be challenging to diagnose an osteochondral lesion at the time of injury. Many scans may miss the damage caused by the lesion, which is also masked by the sprain or trauma that caused the injury.

A physician will examine the joint for instability and range of motion. An X-ray may be ordered, but a cartilage tear is difficult to see on an X-ray, so a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) or computed tomography (CT) scan may be required. In some cases, both an MRI and CT are needed to diagnose an osteochondral lesion.

Treatment

Although wearing a brace or cast may ease the discomfort of an osteochondral lesion, they are usually not enough to remedy the problem permanently, except in children, who can respond well to non-surgical treatment.

For adults, such a condition usually requires surgery. The type of surgery that is most effective depends on the size, location and severity of the lesion. Most commonly, a surgeon will perform an arthroscopic exploration and treatment. The damaged cartilage is cleaned out and removed. If the damage is small, the surgeon may drill into the bone, which causes a small amount of bleeding and encourages healing. If damage is extensive, then a bone graft can be inserted to replace the cartilage. For older patients, a knee replacement may be an option. It is not a preferred option for younger patients, since failure of the knee replacement and the need for revision is more likely in younger patients.

After surgery, weight should be kept off the affected knee or ankle for four to six weeks. In some cases a cast must be worn for part or all of that period. Physiotherapy is then recommended to rehabilitate the affected knee or ankle. The vast majority of patients experience no pain or swelling even 10 years after surgical treatment of such lesions in the ankle. Treatments for lesions in the knee are more challenging, but also have promising outcomes.


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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby noobiew on Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:06 am

I am really rooting hard for Bynum and want him to success in Philly, wish you a fast recovery Drew !
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby Phil XI on Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:16 am

gcclaker wrote: He could have been another Joe Barry Carroll... for that matter.

Lakers fans wouldve given a left nut for JBC-like start to career from Bynum - only missed 15 gms in first 6 years, avgd about 21/9. It was the second half of his career that spoiled his rep (and the succedd of the Celtics at GSWs expense).
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:58 pm

I hope he doesn't trick another team into giving him the max. He's fools gold, and whoever signs him is in for years of torment. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" his knee is going to blow up again. I'm alarmed at his nonchalance attitude towards dealing with his injuries in the past. Never seeming to take proper precautions. There's a reason he's not a superstar, and will never be one. And that's because he just doesn't care about the game enough.

In contrast Derrick Rose is fighting tooth and nail to come back. He's dying without the game of basketball in his life. He was crying for goodness sake.

That is love for the game, and I always wish Bynum had the same attitude.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby The Rock on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:59 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8671136/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-indefinitely

PHILADELPHIA -- Andrew Bynum is out indefinitely and there is no timetable for his first game with the Philadelphia 76ers.

The All-Star center was acquired from the Los Angeles Lakers in a four-team trade before the season. He had been recovering from a bone bruise on his right knee and his return has now been pushed back four times since the beginning of training camp.

The Sixers were hoping Bynum would be cleared to return to basketball activities by Dec. 10 before he injured his left knee while bowling two weeks ago.

Sixers general manager Tony DiLeo says Bynum has "bilateral bone bruises and a weakened cartilage state" in his knees. Still, DiLeo defended the trade that sent All-Star forward Andre Iguodala to Denver in the multiteam deal.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:16 pm

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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby kenzo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:25 pm

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This sounds realy bad :man5:
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby ThizGuy83 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:57 pm

how many seasons before bynum becomes a free agent? and if sixers would actually consider to amnesty bynum... when could they do it? as soon as next off season?
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby revgen on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:13 pm

^This is the last season of his current contract. He'll be a FA this offseason.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby kenzo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:25 pm

Drew needs to sign with Phoenix. These guys are amazing... this season they resurrected JO :man4:
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby dj vitus on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:04 pm

Dang, Philly lost Lou Will, Jodie Meeks, AI, and Elton Brand all in one off-season for nothing.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby ThizGuy83 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:12 pm

revgen wrote:^This is the last season of his current contract. He'll be a FA this offseason.

im pretty sure his days with the sixers will be over before it even began... some team will pick him up tho but it wont be a max contract... mle player maybe... if his knees are even tolerable to play by then
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby GoldHammish on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:41 pm

kenzo wrote:Drew needs to sign with Phoenix. These guys are amazing... this season they resurrected JO :man4:

Hell, they should sign Roy and Oden while they're at it
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby dmaul on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:26 pm

I'm pretty sure he'll still get a pretty good contract after this season. Not the max but definitely more than the MLE. Never underestimate the stupidity of owners willing to overpay. They like to complain about player salaries and whenever a CBA is up, they want to institute new terms and stipulations to protect themselves from making dumb deals. Hell, the Lakers overpaid Kwame Brown even though he proved to the entire league that he was a bona fide stiff. So we're not immune any more than the next team. Every owner thinks they can be the one who changes the player or that they'll "blossom" once they get here.
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby The Rock on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:47 am

These quotes make it sound like hes done for the year.

"Bottom line is Andrew is out indefinitely," DiLeo said before the Sixers played the Oklahoma City Thunder. "There are no timelines; we just have to wait and see how he reacts."


Bynum has bone bruises in both knees and is dealing with what his doctors call a "weakened cartilage state." He is believed to have done some additional damage by bowling two weeks ago.

DiLeo said the state of Bynum's knees has worsened since the team traded for him and it's changed the team's risk outlook.

"His knees now and the MRIs are not the same; it's a different type (of) situation," DiLeo said. "At the time of the trade, we had four doctors look at his MRI; we knew it was a calculated risk. We also knew we were getting the second-best center in the league, a franchise-type player. We took that risk."

Bynum is still doing low-impact rehab and the team is hoping that rest will heal the cartilage. DiLeo said the team is consulting experts around the world and examining Bynum's rehab closely. There will be no more bowling, and DiLeo said Bynum has been instructed to avoid any activity that could cause stress on the knees.

"(The bowling injury) is an unfortunate situation; when the cartilage is in a weakened state anything can happen," DiLeo said. "Basically, you can't do anything that is going to jeopardize any kind of rehab."

Neither the Sixers nor Bynum have talked about a surgical option to repair the cartilage, a move that could knock Bynum out for a year. Last week, Bynum said: "There's no surgical procedures that will really help or are safe to do at the moment. I've just got to bide my time."

Bynum is in the final year of his contract that pays him $16.5 million. The Sixers traded All-Star Andre Iguodala, young prospects Moe Harkless and Nikola Vucevic and a future first-round pick to get Bynum and veteran guard Jason Richardson. They had hoped to sign him to a long-term contract next summer.

DiLeo said the team is still hoping Bynum will heal but admits it is already having to look at other scenarios.

"We hope he will back; we're anticipating he will be back at some point," DiLeo said. "We have plans for the future if he is not back with us but we want to plan on him being here long-term."
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:00 am

I've got nothing against Philly, so it's a shame that trade went so bad for them, but man I'm glad this isn't happening to us
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Re: Drew Has Done Additional Damage To His Knees By Bowling

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:58 am

I hope Bynum hasn't blown through most of his money knowing that max contract was coming. Seriously. But WTF has happened in there (knees) that has deteriorated the cartilage per recent MRIs compared to what they were looking at when they agreed to the trade??
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