Andrew Bynum Discussion: Out for the season, 2x knee surgery

Chillbongo wrote:Haha...that's knee surgery for you

he didn't have surgery he had the Kobe procedure, goes to show you how horrible those knees are. Kobe gets it done he comes back as explosive as ever, Bynum gets it done he's out most of the year

Are there still people questioning the trade we did?

khmrP wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:Haha...that's knee surgery for you

he didn't have surgery he had the Kobe procedure, goes to show you how horrible those knees are. Kobe gets it done he comes back as explosive as ever, Bynum gets it done he's out most of the year

Yeah, guess so. Good thing he's fundamentally sound, and doesn't rely on athleticism as much. That could go a long way with his weak knees. Regardless of the fact that he's not a Laker, I hope he recovers and doesn't have to end up like Oden/B Roy. Stories like that are just a bummer -- never want to see someone's career cut short because of injury.

laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?

Uh, yeah - we're under .500 and out of the playoff picture even with "the best center in the NBA".

Better then keeping Bynum to sit on the bench while TV cameras show his latest 'hair experiments'. Right now, we'd have no Bynum, no Pau -- and Pau would go down sooner too. And next year, who knows what Mitch would try to do with Bynum... At least we got a good, but injured center for this season instead. So, it was a great trade.

And guess what? We got Easy Clark too.

i still want to know how he injured his knee in the offseason

it was obviously after the dwight trade or else one can imagine the trade wouldn't have gone through. it's still not clear how he got hurt

Psychobroker wrote:

laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?

Uh, yeah - we're under .500 and out of the playoff picture even with "the best center in the NBA".

Word. We definitely would have been better off without a starting C this year.

I now appreciate Bynum and can see the greater degree of basketball skills he possesses that Dwight does not, but there are many reasons his trade was a great idea.

1. Bynum was looking to bolt. It was obvious.
2. We got Dwight.
3. Earl Clark
4. Bynum's knee liabilities
5. Games played for Bynum in 2012-13 season (see #4)
6. Hypothetically, Dwight was supposed to be the willing defensive athletic BEAST/ANCHOR that we needed so badly.

Now as far as it all panning out -- different story. Still was a risk worth taking.

Still we are better this season for doing the trade.

^ When Dwight is healthy he still is the better fit.

And yes Earl Clark alone appears to be a massive piece in this puzzle.

Bynum was gone regardless IMO.

We have Howard now....

The "Fantasy" of what Howard was to many here when he was in Orlando has failed to live up to those expectations. I watched a lot of him before he got here and frankly I'm not that surprised by what we see. Yes, he's injured, but he's also been overrated the last few years as well. When you combine the two and distill the reality he's a very good player that relies on his freakish athleticism to cover the gaping holes in his fundamental game.

I've been in the minority here in thinking two things about his defense.... first, he's been overrated on that end of the floor in the past.... he's great off the ball but not so good on the ball. His fundamentals as far as blocking out and positioning are not good at all. We have a loss because he failed to block out on consecutive free throw misses late in the 4th earlier this year. Second, I don't believe in the theory of a "defensive anchor". It's a myth created by the hype machines IMO. To designate someone as that is to let others off the hook for playing team defense. Defense is a team approach.... when you start singling out players to do this or that it's already failed.

I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

^Not that I know Bill Russel's game....but Shaq dominated the league, averaged 30 ppg in the playoffs with 3 assists 15 boards on 55-60% from the field.

I don't think Dwight is anywhere near that, nor will he be.

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

you valuation is wack, Javal Mcgee makes $10mill/yr and Chanlder makes $13-14mill/yr, even slow bro Hibbert makes max. Dude got a bad attitude but the hate is getting epic now with these comments.

khmrP wrote:

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

you valuation is wack, Javal Mcgee makes $10mill/yr and Chanlder makes $13-14mill/yr, even slow bro Hibbert makes max. Dude got a bad attitude but the hate is getting epic now with these comments.

I was thinking the same thing. There's no way that Dwight Howard is worth LESS than the max. If only because big men who can be effective on both ends of the floor are rare. In a free market of the history of the NBA is he worth the max? Not right now. But there's a limited number of bigs in the NBA right now worth a crap.

And he's the best of the bunch.

Dang, Hibbert is max?

Yeah, for sure Dwight is max then. But IMO, not worth it if he's going to be having a lot of 8 point, 1-7 FT games.

He's in his weakest state right now and he doesn't have many of those. Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon and that Dwight will again be the number one guy and I don't see him having more than a handful of single digit shot attempts.

therealdeal wrote:Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon

noooooooooooooo


But seriously, even if he got more FGA's it wouldn't result in better games, necessarily. Now if he gets them in the pick and roll with Nash, sure.

But I get your point, he's a max player when he's a featured option. Well lets see it then Dwight!

Chillbongo wrote:

therealdeal wrote:Factor in that Kobe will be gone soon

noooooooooooooo


But seriously, even if he got more FGA's it wouldn't result in better games, necessarily. Now if he gets them in the pick and roll with Nash, sure.

But I get your point, he's a max player when he's a featured option. Well lets see it then Dwight!

Just like everybody else (in fact likely moreso), it's been a really tough transition. Nash was the man, Kobe was the man, Nash was the man, and Gasol/Artest are both old. It's been tough finding the balance.

I think Dwight is getting it, but it's been a slow process for him; mainly because he's younger and less mature.

I think as time goes on and he heals up and gets to work out again more, he'll regain some of what made him so effective before. I don't know when the last time he played this weak physically was. He simply can't move people out of the way like he used to. He used to literally move people with his massive shoulders. As he regains form there, his offense won't look quite so bad.

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

yes. a good indicator of dwight's ability is him at 23 years old going against kobe bryant and a pau gasol (in his prime)

makes sense. some people use very solid logic

Do not miss this stiff one bit. Even as disastrous as the season has been and Howard not 100% and possibly leaving in the summer, it was worth the gamble. I'd rather have everything unfold the way it has than to have Bynum sitting on the bench this whole year and the fanbase cursing him and our luck for having that kind of player. In the end, even if Howard goes, we can get pretty good pieces for him and that's better than Bynum and maybe even better than Dwight.

laker911 wrote:Are there still people questioning the trade we did?

Yes. If I traded Bynum, I would have traded him for D-Will instead of D12. I think I've mentioned this several times in the past.

A lineup of Nash at 1, D-Will at 2, Kobe at 3, Metta at 4, and Pau at 5 would make a hellava lot more sense under D'Antoni than having D12 and Pau at the 4 and 5. Why even hire D'Antoni with this current lineup we have?

last stand wrote:

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

yes. a good indicator of dwight's ability is him at 23 years old going against kobe bryant and a pau gasol (in his prime)

makes sense. some people use very solid logic

Didn't Dwight come into the league at 18? That's 5 years in the league, in his athletic prime. I'd say that's decent logic. Besides, how much has his game grown since then.

Some people.

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I agree Roos. I always maintained that his DPOY awards were due to his block highlight on ESPN every year. When Gasol the passive giraffe schooled him on both ends of the floor in 09, it verified my suspicions.

He's a great athlete, and once he gets to near 100% I think he'll be between Ben Wallace and Rodman on defense, and between Russell and Shaq on offense. That's a great guy to have, but not the guy you want demanding the ball on the block.

I'd put him at 10 mill a year, maybe 12. Not max money.

By Dwight's 3rd year the Magic became an elite defensive team every season. They were no worse than top 6 in the league except for last year when he played injured and missed games, they were 12th as a result

His defense isn't overrated at all. We're just not getting the same Dwight that the Magic had.

Forget his knees, man. What the bleepity bleep is this?!!

WTF?