Andrew Bynum Discussion: Out for the season, 2x knee surgery

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:Once again, what Bynum and D12 do for other teams besides ours doesn't concern me.

D12 isn't your boy, but you claim he's 1000x better than Bynum ever was? He'd have to be Kareem-level at least to come even close to being 1000x better.

Immature compared to who? Howard? Slow compared to who? Yao Ming? His "80 year old knees" have done way more for this team so far than D12's knees have. Until that changes, the "1000x better" proclamation is simply a joke.

dwight immature off the court, Bynum immature on and off the court, so yea there's big difference there. How exactly would knock knee Bynum being more for this team again when he's still sideline? Slow compared to Noah, Chandler, more so even compared to the current bum of a center according to you thats currently on our team who btw is recovering and still PLAYING from back surgery something you have FAILED thus far to acknowledge in any of your rebuttal in regards to Bynum. So like I said you are a true fan through and through to still be able to argue in Bynum favor when the dude career is probably over in the next 2-3yrs tops if he's lucky.

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

revgen wrote:

BigDan24 wrote:
Then they felt similar to what i felt like...

I'm not surprised they feel that way. I just wish they could laugh at it like Bynum is and move on. We still have games to play. This is no time to jump off the bridge.

thkthebest wrote:This was all I could find, and oddly enough, revgen posted it.

revgen wrote:

BigDan24 wrote:
Then they felt similar to what i felt like...

I'm not surprised they feel that way. I just wish they could laugh at it like Bynum is and move on. We still have games to play. This is no time to jump off the bridge.

Anyway, I hope Bynum does well. I'll reserve judgement, but I'm interested to see if the 76ers can play better than .500 ball with Bynum. So far, the Nuggets are the only team that has gotten better (record-wise) after the Dwight trade.

revgen wrote:If Bynum's "slow" feet were responsible for our defensive breakdowns, we wouldn't keep having them with our 3x DPOY onboard.

revgen wrote:^I don't know how to "look it up". Search function on this site isn't very accommodating. I type in "Bynum laughing bench". All I find are posts from "KeepBynum" talking about Dwight laughing on the bench.

I do remember him not joining huddles and people getting pissed. The laughing during losses, not so much. Then again, we never had a losing season while he was starting, so losses weren't regular occurrences.

revgen wrote:

laker911 wrote:

Psychobroker wrote:^ massive, even bigger/more muscular than when he left the Lakers.. i'm hoping he proves all his naysayers wrong (again).

Again? When did he ever prove us wrong? Shouldn't he be playing to be able to prove us wrong in the first place? He also has a lot of maturing left to do.

Depending upon who you are...

1) When he became an all-star and a 2nd team all-nba player last season.

2) Oh, and my favorite one...when he became an all-star and a 2nd team All-NBA player, people were making the excuse that Pau "sacrificed his game" so that Bynum could achieve those goals. Nevermind that it was Pau who played like crap during the 2011 playoffs, forcing Bynum into the 2nd option role by necessity. Pau continues his course of horrible play even when Bynum is gone.

3) Our defense continues to suck eggs despite our "slow lazy center" not being here anymore. Our 3x DPOY center was supposed to kiss it and make it better. It appears that some PF "throw in" Mitch acquired in the Howard deal is actually making it better while our "slow lazy PF" is out.

4) The "D12 is a franchise player" crowd. Oops. Looks like we'll be looking for #1 to pair with #2 when Kobe and Nash leave.

laker911 wrote:

revgen wrote:

laker911 wrote:

Psychobroker wrote:^ massive, even bigger/more muscular than when he left the Lakers.. i'm hoping he proves all his naysayers wrong (again).

Again? When did he ever prove us wrong? Shouldn't he be playing to be able to prove us wrong in the first place? He also has a lot of maturing left to do.

Depending upon who you are...

1) When he became an all-star and a 2nd team all-nba player last season.

2) Oh, and my favorite one...when he became an all-star and a 2nd team All-NBA player, people were making the excuse that Pau "sacrificed his game" so that Bynum could achieve those goals. Nevermind that it was Pau who played like crap during the 2011 playoffs, forcing Bynum into the 2nd option role by necessity. Pau continues his course of horrible play even when Bynum is gone.

3) Our defense continues to suck eggs despite our "slow lazy center" not being here anymore. Our 3x DPOY center was supposed to kiss it and make it better. It appears that some PF "throw in" Mitch acquired in the Howard deal is actually making it better while our "slow lazy PF" is out.

4) The "D12 is a franchise player" crowd. Oops. Looks like we'll be looking for #1 to pair with #2 when Kobe and Nash leave.

1) That is because there is a lack of good centers in the NBA. Bynum is the second best center, but that is not saying much.

2) I agree with this. I never once in my whole post said Pau was going to get better once Bynum left.

3) I would have loved to see how Bynum would have faired defensively with Pringles as our coach.

4) He is a franchise player. He led the Magic to the 2009 finals when he was the main man. This is statistically Howards worst season and it's still close or maybe even better than Bynums best season. I don't get how you can whine and make such a silly assumption.

revgen wrote:

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

I don't recall him ever doing it while we were losing a game.

revgen wrote:

khmrP wrote:

revgen wrote:Once again, what Bynum and D12 do for other teams besides ours doesn't concern me.

D12 isn't your boy, but you claim he's 1000x better than Bynum ever was? He'd have to be Kareem-level at least to come even close to being 1000x better.

Immature compared to who? Howard? Slow compared to who? Yao Ming? His "80 year old knees" have done way more for this team so far than D12's knees have. Until that changes, the "1000x better" proclamation is simply a joke.

dwight immature off the court, Bynum immature on and off the court, so yea there's big difference there. How exactly would knock knee Bynum being more for this team again when he's still sideline? Slow compared to Noah, Chandler, more so even compared to the current bum of a center according to you thats currently on our team who btw is recovering and still PLAYING from back surgery something you have FAILED thus far to acknowledge in any of your rebuttal in regards to Bynum. So like I said you are a true fan through and through to still be able to argue in Bynum favor when the dude career is probably over in the next 2-3yrs tops if he's lucky.

1) I don't recall Bynum knocking up a Laker cheerleader off the court and having baby mama issues. I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so. Both of them have maturity issues. To claim otherwise is simply ridiculous.
He's busy harashing his neighbors and trying to find that next handicap spot to park in
2) He's done more for this franchise than D12 has done so far. Plain and simple. Maybe D12 surpasses what Drew has done. That hasn't been the case so far. Claiming that D12 is 1000x the player Bynum ever was is simply ridiculous until D12 actually brings more to the table than a possible lottery season.
yes its fair to assese a players contribution after a mere 30 or so games while the other bozo is still clowning around with his Fro and reinjuring his knees by bowling
3) Yao Ming was slower than Bynum and the rest of the centers you noted. His Rockets were among the best defensive teams in the league. If Bynum's "slow" feet were responsible for our defensive breakdowns, we wouldn't keep having them with our 3x DPOY onboard.
Hou played one of the slowest pace in the league then and had one of lowest offensive ratings in the league then as well (give and tak). Howard is still showing High on PnR and more often then not can still recover back into the paint, just cause team D still suck doesn't mean Howard isn't doing his job, Bynum stop showing at all on PnR which I guess I can't blame him after a while when he doesn't get help but neither is Howard but he still shows hard on them
4) So what if he's coming off back surgery? He's still playing. If you can hold it against Bynum for playing hurt and being "gimp", then the same courtesy should be applied to D12.
again, Bynum NOT playing, so address that will you please had we kept him?
5) I'm not talking about the next 2-3 years. I'm talking about what he has done as a Laker player. I've repeated this about 2-3 times already, but apparently doesn't get through your thick skull.
and apparently you like to judget a player based on 30+ games or so to a guy who was here all of his career, yea fair assesement, I mean with that kind of rationale I could easily say Nash sucks and he's barely a marginal upgrade from Fish, you know since Fish did so much for our team over the years

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

there's a bank in every city

Weezy wrote:Well I could be wrong, but I remember it pretty clearly and people got mad. We lost bad and he was laughing on the bench joking around with a few end of bench guys, look it up I'm pretty sure it happened.

Chillbongo wrote:

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city

comment...

432J wrote:i don't miss drew all that much at all

it always seemed like there was some sort of headache with him anyways

dwighthowardsdad wrote:I miss Bynum. Call me crazy. Maybe it's all the Dwight/Laker drama. Oh, well...

Psychobroker wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city

comment...

^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.

Chillbongo wrote:

Psychobroker wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:

Weezy wrote:

revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.

I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city

comment...

^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.

Well it wasn't the first of under-handed comments.

I don't know...being a Laker...being a prized Laker draft pick, having been unproven, having a completely RAW game, getting the chance to work with KAJ, having the GFOAT put faith in you and wait for you to develop, passing on J Kidd when he wasn't even proven, giving you a max deal on a bum knee... etc. the list goes on.

Dude at least owed us the respect of "I'm a Laker, this is where I play this is where I want to be. But it's a business & if something happens, there's banks in every city".

Even then I would've have criticized, but his comments reflect that he was all about the $$, whether true or not.