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Postby JSM on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:25 pm

^ If Splitter is going to get $8-9m, Drew still gets a max, maybe with some insurance clause for the knees.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:21 pm

I don't think teams are looking at Bynum as a consolation prize to Dwight sweepstakes. GM's will be weary about signing him to a longterm deal. Or, at least they should.

I feel bad for whatever fan base has to deal with this guy.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:28 am

According to Evan Sidery, a staff writer for SheridanHoops.com, Bynum and the Mavs are discussing a deal. Injury clauses will be included in the deal, kinda similar to the contract the Nuggets and Marcus Camby came up with in the 00's. Houston also contacted Bynum's reps to touch base. Presumeably, this is being done in case the D12 deal doesn't happen.

1:11 Evan Sidery:
Mavs are interested in Bynum

2:06 Evan Sidery:
Bynum and Mavs discussing contract right now, will include injury clauses that can give Dallas an "out" later on.

2:22 NBAFan03
Where are these Bynum to Mavs reports coming from?

2:23 Evan Sidery:
@NBAFan03 Heard it from Mavs source, trust it

2:24 Evan Sidery:
@NBAFan03 League consensus among executives is growing that Howard is heavily leaning toward Houston, they have spoken to Bynum's reps.




You have to go to this blog http://www.footbasket.com/nba/49149-nba-free-agency-2013-live-blog/ to see the entries. Use CTRL+F and type in "Bynum" and keep pressing "next" until you fihd it.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:31 am

Another site with Bynum-Dallas info. Written by Mike Fisher and David Lord. You need to be a subscriber apparently.

http://mavericks.scout.com/
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:23 am

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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:26 am

Philadelphia 76ers free agent center Andrew Bynum was impressed with the Cavaliers during trade discussions a year ago, and is said to be very open to Cleveland and playing for Mike Brown -- Bynum’s coach for one season (2011-12) with the Lakers. However, current talks between the Cavs and Bynum have been described only as “light exploratory.”


http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Report-Lakers-Cavs-get-aggressive-in?blockID=916729&feedID=3725
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby thkthebest on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:21 pm

Interesting... I always thought Bynum didn't like playing for Mike Brown.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:31 pm

It's by Sam Amico, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Helljumper on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:37 pm

I don't recall any issues between Brown and Bynum. Brown chose to make Drew the second option and it lead to his best season ever.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:42 pm

Helljumper wrote:I don't recall any issues between Brown and Bynum. Brown chose to make Drew the second option and it lead to his best season ever.


Bynum became the 2nd option in the 2011 playoffs under Phil when Pau disappeared. He kept the job under Brown. Whatever Bynum likes about Brown, his 2nd option role has little to do with it IMO.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby KB24 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:19 pm

I wouldn't touch him unless he comes for like 5 mio.

If he gets a max...you know somebody is insane and it ain't Bynum.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:12 pm

I could see him being offered a max contract with injury clauses included.

But anything more than that would be a surprise.

Centers are still a valued commodity. Look at what Hibbert and Gasol did for Memphis and Indiana. Some team will role the dice on him.
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Postby noobiew on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:47 pm

No teams should be offering him Max deal, for a guy who didn't play at all last year, yeah max deal LOL. Imao
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:50 pm

revgen wrote:
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#Blazers fans you can relax. GM Neil Olshey isn't interested/pursuing Andrew Bynum, according to well-placed source. Not going there!


https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/351409026044657665


Portland is the Anti-Phoenix when it comes to centers and leg injuries..... :man10:
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Scnottaken on Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:36 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
@ChrisBHaynes

#Blazers fans you can relax. GM Neil Olshey isn't interested/pursuing Andrew Bynum, according to well-placed source. Not going there!


https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/351409026044657665


Portland is the Anti-Phoenix when it comes to centers and leg injuries..... :man10:

Or wing players and leg inuries. . .
Edit: It's actually possible that Andrew Bynum becomes such an injury risk in portland, the injury possibility becomes greater than 100%, which makes the space/time continuum loop in on itself and makes his legs invincible.

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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:43 pm

Scnottaken wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
@ChrisBHaynes

#Blazers fans you can relax. GM Neil Olshey isn't interested/pursuing Andrew Bynum, according to well-placed source. Not going there!


https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/351409026044657665


Portland is the Anti-Phoenix when it comes to centers and leg injuries..... :man10:

Or wing players and leg inuries. . .
Edit: It's actually possible that Andrew Bynum becomes such an injury risk in portland, the injury possibility becomes greater than 100%, which makes the space/time continuum loop in on itself and makes his legs invincible.

Doc, a little help here?


Well..... if your saying living in Portland is like Bizzaroland...... then I would agree...... :man10:
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Did everyone forget that Mike Brown was the one that sat Drew after taking a wild 3-pointer...

If true has gotten over having his ego shut down there then all the power to him for actually still liking Mike Brown because I always got the impressed that he didn't enjoy him that much.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:31 am

Source: Bynum a possibility for the Mavericks
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Published: Monday, July 01, 2013, 11:21am

DALLAS -- Ask the Mavs for a definitive backup plan to Dwight Howard and they don't offer definitive answers. But sources on Sunday told DallasBasketball.com and FOXSports exclusively about how Andrew Bynum represents an "imperfect Plan B" – and how Dallas' contact with Bynum is focusing on his willingness to include protection from his knee problems via a little-used section of the NBA Uniform Player Contract, Exhibit 3.

"Once you've got degenerative knees," one Dallas Mavericks source says, "you really don't ever get better. You can get functional. But not better."

A fully healthy Andrew Bynum would be more than functional. He'd be a max player, a terrific consolation prize for the team that finished second in the Dwight Howard Sweepstakes. Yes, even with Bynum's flakiness (which in a sense is not unlike Howard's flakiness), he's just 25 and has experienced moments of All-Star awesomeness.

The Lakers were prepared to build a franchise around him. Then the Sixers were prepared to do the same.

What's in play for the Mavs to do the same?

There are arguments to be made for any number of Plan B options. But, "There are no ‘grade-A' guys in there, in terms of giving them the money they go into this process wanting," a source says.

And none of those players are bigger and better than the 7-foot, 285-pound Bynum – when he's healthy The last time he was right, in 2011-12, he was a major NBA force, averaging 18.7 points, 11.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks.

Dallas' discussions with Bynum will only get serious, of course, if the courting of Dwight fails. (The Mavs are scheduled to meet Howard in LA on Tuesday.) At that time, two wings of the Dallas front office will be deeply involved. Casey Smith and Dallas' medical team will have its hands full (and maybe will qualify as a selling point to Bynum). And owner Mark Cuban and company will have to be creative in protecting the Mavs from risk by constructing a contract that one source says might be a one- or two-year deal heavy with stay-healthy incentives.

We get indications Dallas would be willing to consider using half of its theoretical available $18 mil on Bynum -- giving him an annual salary that may be a slight bump over the $8-mil, one-year deal given Chris Kaman last summer.

But for the Mavs, an even bigger factor in what they will offer will be the ability to protect against the possibility that Bynum's knees are permanently gone. Not only would it be a huge financial blow to sign him to a big contract only to lose him to injury, but it would also cripple the team's cap for years. Our understanding is that, to this end, the Mavs' negotiations with Bynum and his agent will focus on his willingness to include protection for the team from his knee problems via a little-used section of the NBA Uniform Player Contract, Exhibit 3.

In essence, Exhibit 3 makes the player, not the team, take the financial risk of his prior injury happening again.

It will be an imperfect offer to Bynum. And he might be an imperfect signing. But it's a Mavs' Plan B – featuring the NBA's Exhibit 3.

But let's say in the summer after the first season, he somehow hurts his knees and comes to training camp hobbling with no healthy end in sight. At that point, the Mavs - if they felt they would be better off walking away - could waive him under Exhibit 3's protection and would only owe him $6 million ($2 million for each of the remaining 3 seasons). And under the stretch rule, the payout and cap hit on that would be spread over 7 seasons, at about $835,000 per season.

The Mavs, if Dwight goes elsewhere, will pitch themselves to Bynum as a "start-over'' opportunity. A new city with stable ownership and coaching with an on-court role that was tailored to Dwight ... but can be easy re-tailored to him.


http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/story/Andrew-Bynum-an-imperfect-Plan-B-for-the?blockID=916697&feedID=3742

This is the kind of injury clause that teams will most likely offer Bynum if they do sign him to a max deal.

It wouldn't be "insane" to offer him a multi-year deal under these conditions.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:12 pm

@ESPNSteinLine 2m

Dallas Mavericks have been officially notified they are out of Dwight Howard Sweepstakes, sources tell ESPN


So we'll see what their plan b is.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:32 pm

Guaranteed they will sign Bynum now...offer him max with that stipulation in the contract.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:08 pm

Plan B: Andrew Bynum and a veteran PG?


By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

Mark Cuban says it’s on to Plan B for the Mavericks.

Really, it’s Plan D, but let’s not get too picky about alphabetical matters at this point. The Mavs whiffed on Deron Williams last summer, never got to sit down with Chris Paul and couldn’t convince Dwight Howard to headline Dallas’ two-year plan.

All the big fish have picked other ponds. So … now what?

Here’s my suggestion: Take one more home run swing. Bet on Andrew Bynum.

The Mavs better hedge that bet, of course. They’d have to insist on language in the contract that includes a team out if Bynum’s knees keep him off the court, as they did all last season in Philadelphia. The easiest way to do that is agreeing to an Exhibit 3 protection, which allows a team to waive a player if he’s unable to play because of specified prior injuries, which is how Minnesota got out of Brandon Roy’s contract this summer. There could also be guarantees based on minutes or games played.

If Bynum and agent David Lee agree to that, go ahead and throw big money at him. He’s the one potential dominant force still available in free agency.

Hold your breath and hope that the 25-year-old 7-footer can return to 2011-12 form, that he can get back to being a big man who puts up 18.7 points, 11.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per game. Hope that athletic trainer Casey Smith can help Bynum get his career back on track, just as he did when Tyson Chandler arrived in Dallas as damaged goods a few years ago.

The Mavs should be able to sign Bynum and get a proven veteran point guard. They’ve been in touch with the agents for Jose Calderon, Mo Williams, Jarrett Jack and Monta Ellis.

Add one of those point guards and a relatively healthy Bynum, and the Mavs ought to be back in the playoffs in 2013-14 with a bunch of money to spend again next summer.

And if Bynum is a bust? Well, the Mavs will be right back in the lottery, but maybe they’ll have better luck in a loaded draft next year.

There are no easy answers for the Mavs. All those guys decided they’d prefer to play somewhere other than Dallas.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4696826/plan-b-andrew-bynum-and-a-veteran-pg


They already picked up their Veteran PG in Calderon. Looks like they're eyeing Bynum next. With Bynum (healthy), Dirk, Calderon, Vince, Marion, and solid coach in Carlisle, they'll be solid, but they're not going to beat San Antonio.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:35 am

@ESPNSteinLine 3h

Mavs' post-Dwight interest in Bynum is legit. They ARE pursuing him. Yet it's been made clear they'll make detailed/careful evaluation first

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/353515851284086785
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:33 pm

@JakeLFischer 7h
I just heard if Andrew Bynum agrees to a deal with the Mavericks, the #Sixers will ask for an expiring contract & a future pick in return.

@JakeLFischer 7h
The expiring contract will likely be Shawn Marion's $9.3M deal and the #Sixers will also look for a second round pick in the 2014 Draft.

@JakeLFischer 7h @illbFRANKwithu To say a #Sixers-Mavs S&T is a done deal is very premature. There is simply interest on both sides.

@JakeLFischer 6h Potentially the #Sixers could pay Shawn Marion and Jason Richardson a combined $15+M to sit behind the bench in suits next season.

@JakeLFischer 6h@TomWelke The S&T would create cap space for Dallas to bring in one more key contributor to likely replace OJ Mayo.


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Add in the Devin Harris & Calderon signings, it looks like the Mavs are pulling out all the stops to give Dirk one last chance at a ring.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:02 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.


It's not as ideal for him as Philly would have been. Besides Harris, the rest of the cast are old. But at least they have shooters to spread the floor for him in Dirk and Calderon. And playing for Carlisle sure beats playing for Potatohead.
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