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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby viktorkain on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:39 am

trodgers wrote:
KB24 wrote:BTW, where did he grab that floater? seems like he stole a move from Navarro :man1:

Emplay said he'd seen him shoot it previously. Stu said he'd seen it in practice. It's a great move. So hard to block. Really useful for a guy his size who can get into the paint (and he apparently can!).

As for Morris vs. Goudelock, the comparison has to compare what they're supposed to do for a team. Morris does seem to be a better defender so far, has better handles, and is probably a better passer with better court vision. Goudelock is surely a better scorer, a better shooter, and seems to hustle more. But this is a young season, and the numbers don't tell a great deal about either player so far:

Per 36 minutes:
Morris: 7.3 points, 3.2 ast, 3.5 reb, 3.2 TO, 0.6 STL
Goudelock: 11.2 pts, 0.9 ast, 1.9 reb, 0.6 TO, 0.1 STL

Shooting
Morris: .400/.600/.667
Goudelock: .348/.333/1.000

Rtgs (ORtg/DRts)
Morris: 84/105
Goudelock: 82/107


Same Move he used in College also his game is pretty identical to how he has played all 4 years in Charleston but if it aint broke. I agree with all of your points except for the Hustle Point watching the Indiana game again Morris was the sole reason for about 5 or 6 tipped balls.

As for the Debate your summary is spot on as is revgens If Mike Brown had any sense he would Play Morris at the 1 while Goudelock was playing the 2 with Pau and Kobe on the court..... That would really create some interesting situations. .. Lets be honest though Every time Goudelock brought the ball up the court I was scared it was going to be stolen.... Kid has No handles what so ever.

PG Morris
SG Goudelock
SF Bryant
PF Artest
C Gasol

They should try this rotation for at least a full 20.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby last stand on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:46 am

We tried Morris and goudelock on the floor at the same time. It killed us because the two rookies were too confused

Our best bench lineup will be

Gasol
Murphy
Artest
Goudelock
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby viktorkain on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:50 am

last stand wrote:We tried Morris and goudelock on the floor at the same time. It killed us because the two rookies were too confused

Our best bench lineup will be

Gasol
Murphy
Artest
Goudelock
Blake


It killed us because we had Pau and Kobe on the Bench. The last time I saw MB try them both on the court the lineup was

Morris
Goudelock
Artest
McSocks
Drew

That is a one way ticket to disaster land. The Lineup I stated gives the lakers 3 capable scorers one from the perimeter Goudelock one from anywhere in Kobe and a great Post up option in Gasol. Edited to add... Blake should be Starting his numbers have been better than Fishers all season.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:59 pm

At this point I'd say that the Lakers should only look to use one of the rooks at a time. Playing bofe of um out there at the same time would be asking for trouble IMO. Even as a sophomore Ebanks got into trouble a bit when bofe he and G-LOC were out there on the floor together. Mix em up with the vets and eventually when they garner enough PT under their belts you can start playing the youngsters together.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby brickshooter on Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:27 pm

IMO, if Goudelock were playing the 2, roughly half of shis shots would be swatted because of his size. He was successful because the Clippers have a bunch of short PG impersonating as tall & long SG. I want Goudelock to remain at the 1 where he can actually see the rim when he shoots.

Not sure what people love about Morris. They guy can't make a basic pass without either turning it over or pulling our shooters out from their shooting position. It's impossible for anyone to catch & shoot with him. He's long. And he has a fro. That's where the Kobe comparison ends. Morris needs to learn how to shoot this summer so that he can back Kobe up.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:13 am

He brought more to the table in one game than Morris did in 7 ... sure I don't expect any consistency from his play, especially on the road, but he's the less worse solution out there until Blake come back
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:27 am

viktorkain wrote:
last stand wrote:We tried Morris and goudelock on the floor at the same time. It killed us because the two rookies were too confused

Our best bench lineup will be

Gasol
Murphy
Artest
Goudelock
Blake


It killed us because we had Pau and Kobe on the Bench. The last time I saw MB try them both on the court the lineup was

Morris
Goudelock
Artest
McSocks
Drew

That is a one way ticket to disaster land. The Lineup I stated gives the lakers 3 capable scorers one from the perimeter Goudelock one from anywhere in Kobe and a great Post up option in Gasol. Edited to add... Blake should be Starting his numbers have been better than Fishers all season.


The lineup you also posted earlier would have no defense. Layups and open threes galore.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:04 pm

Goudelock was effective on the offensive end but not so much so on the defensive one. I did like that he drove and made the defense react. That's a step in the right direction for sure.

One game though, and he's had another 4 or 5 minute good run, but this that's it in his playing time so far. I wouldn't expect this type of production on a consistent basis going forward..... at least not until he's duplicated this performance a couple more times.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:41 pm

After these two games, it seems obvious to me that Goudelock should be a rotation player if the choice is between him and Morris. Morris might have potential, but Goudelock has a skillset that will enable him to help us immediately. You can tell what he's doing out there isn't a fluke. He knows how to shoot and he's confident. Even when he missed a couple of shots in the first half, he still knows that he's gonna sink the next wide open shot. And while that floater looks pretty weird, he's hit it far too many times for it to be luck. It's clearly a move that he's built into his arsenal. That, with his quickness, should allow him to be a pretty nice threat off the bench. Unlike Kapono, he's not just a set jump shooter. He's shown the ability to drive by his defender and finish with the floater or pull up for a mid-range shot. If he works on his ballhandling and defense, he can have a solid NBA career.

Is he our first bench player since LO to have back-to-back double digit scoring performances?
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:44 pm

^^ I think Blake has had a couple double digit games back to back.

You're right on Goudelock over Morris though..... Morris isn't ready for this level yet....
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Doberman on Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:28 am

I want this kid to jack up TEN 3 pters every game. I don't care if he misses the first 5. He'll probably hit the next 5 in a row. His stroke is that sweet.

Regarding his floater: it's one of his "pet" moves/shots. The Sr. year highlights video I posted has been taken down, but if you watched it, half of his shots were swishing 3's, and the other were him making that midrange teardrop floater. He's very confident with that shot.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby thkthebest on Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:29 am

Doberman wrote:I want this kid to jack up TEN 3 pters every game. I don't care if he misses the first 5. He'll probably hit the next 5 in a row. His stroke is that sweet.

Regarding his floater: it's one of his "pet" moves/shots. The Sr. year highlights video I posted has been taken down, but if you watched it, half of his shots were swishing 3's, and the other were him making that midrange teardrop floater. He's very confident with that shot.

Lol. His stroke is definitely nice. It just looks so smooth.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby viktorkain on Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:45 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^ I think Blake has had a couple double digit games back to back.

You're right on Goudelock over Morris though..... Morris isn't ready for this level yet....
Helljumper wrote:After these two games, it seems obvious to me that Goudelock should be a rotation player if the choice is between him and Morris. Morris might have potential, but Goudelock has a skillset that will enable him to help us immediately. You can tell what he's doing out there isn't a fluke. He knows how to shoot and he's confident. Even when he missed a couple of shots in the first half, he still knows that he's gonna sink the next wide open shot. And while that floater looks pretty weird, he's hit it far too many times for it to be luck. It's clearly a move that he's built into his arsenal. That, with his quickness, should allow him to be a pretty nice threat off the bench. Unlike Kapono, he's not just a set jump shooter. He's shown the ability to drive by his defender and finish with the floater or pull up for a mid-range shot. If he works on his ballhandling and defense, he can have a solid NBA career.

Is he our first bench player since LO to have back-to-back double digit scoring performances?


The choice is not between Goudelock and Morris though and that the point the fans and our obviously basketball challenged coaching staff seem to be missing. Goudelock can Score and in bunches thats what he does and what he always did. You know why? Because he is a Shooting Guard. Shooting is great it fills up ONE stat line.... look at his others. We all watched the same games correct? What happened every single time Jennings applied any defensive pressure to Goudelock while he was dribbling the ball? He tipped it away from him 3 times and fortunately for him Kobe was there to regain possession of the ball and bail him out. This is one of the same issues he had in college. The kid Cannot dribble at all. Driving the lane for him is ONLY possible if someone bites on his pump fake because he does not possess the ball handling skills to drive around any semi competent defender. Goudelock is being horribly misused by our coaching staff... they should be playing him at the 2 off ball similar to Ray Allen and Reggie Miller where his true talents are exploited. He can run and shoot .... stop and pop he is a great shooter .... the Lakers desperately need another reliable scorer. However you all comparing him to Morris is like comparing Apples to Eggs. Without making this any longer than it already is.... in 12 Pro NBA games Goudelock has 3 assists. Still think hes a PG then you don't know the positions description.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Helljumper on Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:48 pm

^ I'm not saying he's a PG. I'm saying that right now, there is only enough playing time off the bench for us to play either Morris or Goudelock. We can't just give Morris 5 minutes at back-up PG and Goudelock 5 minutes at back-up SG. They won't be able to get into any rhythm if they split playing time. So we have to chose if we want to play a decent back-up SG out of position at PG or if we want to play a mediocre player who happens to be a prototypical PG. I think the offense of our bench flows a lot better when Goudelock plays back-up PG (even though he's clearly out of position and not a true PG).

And when have you ever seen Morris use his ballhandling skills to dribble past his defender and create a shot for himself or others? That's what a PG is supposed to do. Morris doesn't. He dribbles around the perimeter, wastes a bunch of time from the shot clock, and then is forced into passing it to someone else when he realizes he can't score himself. Most of his assists are off of simple fast-break plays or him passing it to someone who then creates their own shot to score. I don't know why you're bringing up assists if you admit that Goudelock is a SG and Morris is a PG. Morris has played 25 more minutes this season, yet he only has 8 more assists. When Morris is supposed to be a play-maker, and Goudelock is just supposed to be a scorer, 8 assists isn't much better.
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Postby Barnstable on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:14 pm

I think I'm officially sold on this kid!
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby viktorkain on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:26 pm

Helljumper wrote:^ I'm not saying he's a PG. I'm saying that right now, there is only enough playing time off the bench for us to play either Morris or Goudelock. We can't just give Morris 5 minutes at back-up PG and Goudelock 5 minutes at back-up SG. They won't be able to get into any rhythm if they split playing time. So we have to chose if we want to play a decent back-up SG out of position at PG or if we want to play a mediocre player who happens to be a prototypical PG. I think the offense of our bench flows a lot better when Goudelock plays back-up PG (even though he's clearly out of position and not a true PG).

And when have you ever seen Morris use his ballhandling skills to dribble past his defender and create a shot for himself or others? That's what a PG is supposed to do. Morris doesn't. He dribbles around the perimeter, wastes a bunch of time from the shot clock, and then is forced into passing it to someone else when he realizes he can't score himself. Most of his assists are off of simple fast-break plays or him passing it to someone who then creates their own shot to score. I don't know why you're bringing up assists if you admit that Goudelock is a SG and Morris is a PG. Morris has played 25 more minutes this season, yet he only has 8 more assists. When Morris is supposed to be a play-maker, and Goudelock is just supposed to be a scorer, 8 assists isn't much better.


Love the post... I look at it as 7 games for morris and 15 for goudelock because that what they have played minute disparity and all.... Morris has used his ball handling skills but not as much as he should and its because of the second thing goudelock obviously possesses that he is lacking in.... Confidence.... goudelock jacked up 10 shots and that was after he missed his first 4 the other day.... yet he kept shooting..... that screams ..... F you I can play...... the most shots morris has taken in any one game is 5..... that says a lot about a player..... Goudelock is a better scorer and more seasoned and that is something I can admit.... I like both of them have followed them both along with a few others from college ..... I just cannot stand how a lot of Lakers fans are dismissing the Obvious holes in his game for the fact that he can fill up one stat line. Its pretty sad because our team is so unorganized that right now anyone who can score is the best thing since ....... sliced bread. 11 assists in 7 game for a rookie PG that is obviously out of his depth is pretty good compared to 3 assists out of 15 games.... (4 assists he got one today) But the intangibles that Morris brings are seriously being downplayed I also Know for a fact that Clown Brown will completely reduce morris playing time when in fact he brings more to the table than Derek fisher.... its just a sad state. The lakers are clinging to the principal that they are a championship contender when in reality at this moment they are not and need to begin rebuilding with the YOUTH they possess and stop signing players that are over 33 years of age.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby trodgers on Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:51 pm

Dude can score. Dude can shoot.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:53 pm

trodgers wrote:Dude can score. Dude can shoot.


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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:16 pm

Good first half..... non existent second half....
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:16 pm

He did well again in the first half. Too bad Minny pulled the zone on him and the 2nd unit in the 2nd half. Mike had to put to the starters back in to take care of it. If we had Blake, I'm sure the 2nd unit could have handled the zone.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:23 pm

revgen wrote:He did well again in the first half. Too bad Minny pulled the zone on him and the 2nd unit in the 2nd half. Mike had to put to the starters back in to take care of it. If we had Blake, I'm sure the 2nd unit could have handled the zone.


If he didn't have to handle the ball and initiate the offense he could really make teams pay for doubling the bigs..... Again, remarkably, this leads to the need for a real point guard or two.....
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby davidtaylor41 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:32 pm

Goudelock is more than just a spot up shooter. He can get inside the paint and finish with the floater which is something you don't see from the Laker other guards.

Tonight was not his fault at all 2nd half. The team started taking bad shots, and the T-Wolves started scoring in transition off Laker misses. The zone is actually a defense Glock would shine against, but he didnt get any three points chances when he was in the game in the 2nd half.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby davidtaylor41 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:45 pm

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Helljumper wrote:^ I'm not saying he's a PG. I'm saying that right now, there is only enough playing time off the bench for us to play either Morris or Goudelock. We can't just give Morris 5 minutes at back-up PG and Goudelock 5 minutes at back-up SG. They won't be able to get into any rhythm if they split playing time. So we have to chose if we want to play a decent back-up SG out of position at PG or if we want to play a mediocre player who happens to be a prototypical PG. I think the offense of our bench flows a lot better when Goudelock plays back-up PG (even though he's clearly out of position and not a true PG).

And when have you ever seen Morris use his ballhandling skills to dribble past his defender and create a shot for himself or others? That's what a PG is supposed to do. Morris doesn't. He dribbles around the perimeter, wastes a bunch of time from the shot clock, and then is forced into passing it to someone else when he realizes he can't score himself. Most of his assists are off of simple fast-break plays or him passing it to someone who then creates their own shot to score. I don't know why you're bringing up assists if you admit that Goudelock is a SG and Morris is a PG. Morris has played 25 more minutes this season, yet he only has 8 more assists. When Morris is supposed to be a play-maker, and Goudelock is just supposed to be a scorer, 8 assists isn't much better.


Love the post... I look at it as 7 games for morris and 15 for goudelock because that what they have played minute disparity and all.... Morris has used his ball handling skills but not as much as he should and its because of the second thing goudelock obviously possesses that he is lacking in.... Confidence.... goudelock jacked up 10 shots and that was after he missed his first 4 the other day.... yet he kept shooting..... that screams ..... F you I can play...... the most shots morris has taken in any one game is 5..... that says a lot about a player..... Goudelock is a better scorer and more seasoned and that is something I can admit.... I like both of them have followed them both along with a few others from college ..... I just cannot stand how a lot of Lakers fans are dismissing the Obvious holes in his game for the fact that he can fill up one stat line. Its pretty sad because our team is so unorganized that right now anyone who can score is the best thing since ....... sliced bread. 11 assists in 7 game for a rookie PG that is obviously out of his depth is pretty good compared to 3 assists out of 15 games.... (4 assists he got one today) But the intangibles that Morris brings are seriously being downplayed I also Know for a fact that Clown Brown will completely reduce morris playing time when in fact he brings more to the table than Derek fisher.... its just a sad state. The lakers are clinging to the principal that they are a championship contender when in reality at this moment they are not and need to begin rebuilding with the YOUTH they possess and stop signing players that are over 33 years of age.


All Morris does is dribble baseline to baseline and pass getting absolutely nowhere. He can't get in to the teeth of the defense which puts pressure on the opposing team, and also he can't shoot.

Goudelock has shown the ability to get inside that free throw line area, which is the teeth of the D and knock down that floater. He can also catch and shoot 20 times better than Morris and create his own shot much better than Morris. Goudelock won the three point contest last season in college.

Set the high screen for Goudelock and he has the quicks to get in the paint, or come around that pick and drain the three. Tonight 2nd quarter he connected with Murphy for the three as well on the pick and pop.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:25 am

I like his attitude , he's fearless ... he doesn't stand around waiting for Bynum to bail the team out like the rest of the 2nd unit ... make or miss, he seems very confident in his abilities to score
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