Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:44 pm

StudentOfTheGame wrote:People that followed his college career note that he's had that floater shot for a long time now. Read someone say he must have hit 3-4 of them a game in his senior year.

Most importantly, he's got a really good entry pass. Might be the 2nd best entry passer on the team right now behind Kobe.

Unlike Morris who seems to think that Drew enjoys catching entry passes with his toes. :man10:

StudentOfTheGame · by **StudentOfTheGame** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:47 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:People that followed his college career note that he's had that floater shot for a long time now. Read someone say he must have hit 3-4 of them a game in his senior year.

Most importantly, he's got a really good entry pass. Might be the 2nd best entry passer on the team right now behind Kobe.

Unlike Morris who seems to think that Drew enjoys catching entry passes with his toes.

And Fisher, who can only make an entry if he's passing it from half court in semi transition.

revgen · by **revgen** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:20 pm

borri wrote:
StudentOfTheGame wrote:Most importantly, he's got a really good entry pass. Might be the 2nd best entry passer on the team right now behind Kobe.

I was about to point this out too.

Part of that has to do with his ability to shoot the ball. Defense can't back away and steal the post entry.

The other thing he does is pass fake. He knows how to fake high and bounce low or fake low and pass high. This is an absolute necessity if you're a small player. This is why Phil usually likes to play with tall guards. They are tall enough to post-entry pass without having to do fakes.

CarolinaLakerFan · by **CarolinaLakerFan** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:24 pm

What separates Goudelock is that this guy was "the man" at the College of Charleston for 3 years. He is used to taking big shots, and it isn't a psychological thing if he misses. He has more offensive BBall IQ in his pinky finger than Shannon Brown has in his whole body.

davriver290 · by **davriver290** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Guy is surprising me big time. I liked the group of Him/Kapono/Barnes/Murphy/Bynum.

Its not the best lineup defensively, but getting the ball into Andrew, and the whole floor spacing is thirty times better.

easyguy · by **easyguy** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:46 pm

Cracks me up with you guys giving Morris more attention than Glock before his recent success.

revgen · by **revgen** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:53 pm

easyguy wrote:Cracks me up with you guys giving Morris more attention than Glock before his recent success.

Morris is still a better defender than Glock, but yes, Morris has a lot to learn.

His biggest problem is his lack of a consistent outside shot and his lack of understanding of how to pass when the situation isn't a drive & kick or a fastbreak.

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:00 pm

easyguy wrote:Cracks me up with you guys giving Morris more attention than Glock before his recent success.

Cracks me up that you'd say this when Goudelock wasn't getting consistent minutes. Hard to talk about a guy when he doesn't get into the game.

VincentTH · by **VincentTH** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:03 pm

I thought Gl0ck played during the pre-season (over Morris). He sure did not look good then.

easyguy · by **easyguy** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:09 pm

revgen wrote:
easyguy wrote:Cracks me up with you guys giving Morris more attention than Glock before his recent success.

Morris is still a better defender than Glock, but yes, Morris has a lot to learn.

His biggest problem is his lack of a consistent outside shot and his lack of understanding of how to pass when the situation isn't a drive & kick or a fastbreak.

I dont see it in Morris to be even above par or on par. I've seen his videos of his college days and recent practice videos and I was not impress.

Hopefully playing in Mike's D will improve Glock defensive skills.

Helljumper · by **Helljumper** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:12 pm

jism wrote:
Nba.com: With Steve Blake sidelined by a rib injury, the Lakers have turned to their second-round pick out of the College of Charleston. And the rookie has responded in a big way. In his last four games, Goudelock has averaged 11.5 points on 50 percent shooting (17-for-34 FGs, 8-for-14 on 3s) and has been a real bright spot for the Lakers bench in their recent struggles. The Lakers are reportedly looking for backcourt help (Gilbert Arenas, Mo Williams and Morris Peterson have all been mentioned), but the rookie guard has been aggressive and looks to be a potentially nice pick out of the second round. If he continues to see the backup minutes and hit shots like Video this one (nice tear drop against Clippers), he could stick around The Ladder.

Goudelock has just earned 8th spot on the nba rookie ladder. Glad to see that, he earned it.
Anyway, he can be our first real steal from 2nd round since Nick the quick. Hope so. We need it, desperately. He can help the team as much as he can help our cap. Good luck Goudelock

I kinda disagree with us not having a second round steal since Nick. IMO, any second rounder that ends up being a rotation player (or even a starter) for at least a year or two should be considered a great pick. And with that said, Luke Walton was probably a steal in the second round.

last stand · by **last stand** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:24 pm

Luke and Ronny were both fantastic 2nd round picks in recent memory. Goudelock has the most potential of the Mitch 2nd rounders though

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:27 pm

I wouldn't say Morris is a better defender. He's definitely quicker, but he's not smart on defense. Always bites on jumpshots, doesn't go around screens well, and his quickness gets the best of him when he runs after someone and ends up running past them.

As I've said before, Morris has skills, just needs to calm down and focus.

revgen · by **revgen** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:28 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:I wouldn't say Morris is a better defender. He's definitely quicker, but he's not smart on defense. Always bites on jumpshots, doesn't go around screens well, and his quickness gets the best of him when he runs after someone and ends up running past them.

As I've said before, Morris has skills, just needs to calm down and focus.

Glock is just as bad on screens and also bites on jumpshots. The difference is that he doesn't have the speed and the height/length to recover like Morris does.

Not that it reallly matters because what Glock provides is what we need right now. If we were a fast-break team, Morris would be a better fit.

magicman32 · by **magicman32** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:33 pm

I don't like those floaters he throws up, like do you really need to throw up an 18-ft floater? why not just shoot the ball regularly?

I can understand a floater from the paint with 7-footers around but the floaters he throws up are really low percentage shots.

Overall, the kid is a nice surprise - confident, great shooter, not scared or intimidated.

revgen · by **revgen** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:34 pm

^They're not low-percentage shots for him. He makes them regularly.

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:37 pm

And they're not from 18 feet out, i'd say 12-15. Just think of a floater as a high arcing one handed shot, done correctly, is very effective off the dribble since it's so quick and high.

Plus, it's another option to use when he gets run off the 3-point line, it's actually a perfect weapon since he's not gonna dunk on anyone.

Lakeshow24 · by **Lakeshow24** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:53 pm

If he's producing, it's not a fluke. He's legit.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:08 pm

Seriously people dogging him for his floater? His defense and handles deserve to be called out, but he puts the ball in the basket, I don't care if he shot it granny style if it puts points on the board who cares?

His floater is money.

I hate Kobe's fadeaway, why not just shoot a set jumpshot. Ewww...

KobeSystemtwofour · by **KobeSystemtwofour** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:16 pm

Anyone have a good pic of him shooting?

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:21 pm

M4mb4 24 wrote:Anyone have a good pic of him shooting?

KobeSystemtwofour · by **KobeSystemtwofour** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:25 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
M4mb4 24 wrote:Anyone have a good pic of him shooting?

Thanks

jism · by **jism** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:36 pm

Helljumper wrote:
jism wrote:
Nba.com: With Steve Blake sidelined by a rib injury, the Lakers have turned to their second-round pick out of the College of Charleston. And the rookie has responded in a big way. In his last four games, Goudelock has averaged 11.5 points on 50 percent shooting (17-for-34 FGs, 8-for-14 on 3s) and has been a real bright spot for the Lakers bench in their recent struggles. The Lakers are reportedly looking for backcourt help (Gilbert Arenas, Mo Williams and Morris Peterson have all been mentioned), but the rookie guard has been aggressive and looks to be a potentially nice pick out of the second round. If he continues to see the backup minutes and hit shots like Video this one (nice tear drop against Clippers), he could stick around The Ladder.

Goudelock has just earned 8th spot on the nba rookie ladder. Glad to see that, he earned it.
Anyway, he can be our first real steal from 2nd round since Nick the quick. Hope so. We need it, desperately. He can help the team as much as he can help our cap. Good luck Goudelock

I kinda disagree with us not having a second round steal since Nick. IMO, any second rounder that ends up being a rotation player (or even a starter) for at least a year or two should be considered a great pick. And with that said, Luke Walton was probably a steal in the second round.

Redd, Ginobili, Millsap, Mo Will, Monta, Scola, Arenas, Boozer = real 2nd round steals. I know they were like 1 in the milion but even those strange things happens each year. And it seems like it doesn't happen here anymore.
Ronny, Luke, even Sasha, Farmar (both late first rounders) were decent at most, that ain't no steal imo.

Helljumper · by **Helljumper** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:52 pm

^ Just quickly looking through the last 3 drafts (not including the most recent one since it's still too early to tell), out of the 90 second round picks, I only recognized like 15 of them that are even rotation players. Of them, the best one was probably Marcus Thornton (who is a very good scorer, but no where near being a star). The rest were role-players like Deandre Jordan, Landry Fields, Dejuan Blair, etc. Prime Luke Walton (11 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, 47% FG%, 38% 3PT%) was probably just as good as any of these players in terms of his impact on the court.

So no, it really isn't as common to get great players in the second round as you think. In most cases, second round picks are out of the league within a few seasons.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:55 pm

^^The biggest "steal" of the second round in the last 10 years could turn out to be Marc Gasol...... Last time I checked we drafted him....

He will be an all star this year and in years to come. If you think about it... Mitch has picked two allstar centers that are playing at the same time..... Not sure that has been done since Ralph Sampson and Hakeem......

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