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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby gcclaker on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:48 pm

therealdeal wrote:1. Goudelock is not a PG
2. He is the only consistent scoring option we've found off the bench, why start him?
3. Blake has been solid this season, why are you bashing him?

1. Goudelock doesn't have the court vision to run an offense. His initial thought is look for a score.
2. Yes he is. Him playing with Blake spaces the floor plus he can create off the dribble with those floaters.
3. If Blake hadn't been injured, I would believe there'd be two to three more in the "W" column.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby LakerBoyz24 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:22 pm

He has potential but he seems to be a shooter and doesn't seem to possess the basketball iq, ball handling skills, or court vision to be a pg. He will never be a formidable floor general to say the least. I would say in this league he will be a back up pg at BEST, and that's being nice considering his MAJOR flaws and shortcomings for his position. You just can't be a pg, not even a average one, while lacking all the most important and major things that define what a pg is.

My guess is he will end up being a 3rd-4th stringer pg/wannabe sg for the rest of his career. If he was a legit SG that would be another story but again, he lacks the tools to be a legit SG as well, including his physical attributes(height/body). He seems to be more of a broken combo guard than anything, which is in short words, very disappointing.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Helljumper on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:27 pm

He is a scorer. His role when he's in the game is to score points. He's already very good at that.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:14 pm

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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Doberman on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:17 pm

LOL @ his pull-up 3-pointer when he could've just drove and dunked. He's definitely confident in his shot. Even though he missed that one, I like that his bricks never shake his confidence. His stroke is good enough that he SHOULDN'T ever doubt it.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby The Rock on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:24 pm

LOL that 3 pointer...he knew he was coming out for Kobe so he was out to get his and had a smirk on his face on his way out haha
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:48 pm

That floater is money , would like to see his FG% when using it ... I've noticed he's wide open at the 3pt line quite a lot through the different games but Blake misses him on a regular basis
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Lakerjones on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:46 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:That floater is money , would like to see his FG% when using it ... I've noticed he's wide open at the 3pt line quite a lot through the different games but Blake misses him on a regular basis


That floater is pretty amazing. I like the kid a lot. As much as I love seeing him light it up from distance I hope he keeps going teams with the drive, too. He's got the tools to be a really good offensive player, and he's pretty hard nosed on D as well. Another nice pick by Mitch who seems to be underrated in that department.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:51 am

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wcsoldier81 wrote:That floater is money , would like to see his FG% when using it ... I've noticed he's wide open at the 3pt line quite a lot through the different games but Blake misses him on a regular basis


That floater is pretty amazing. I like the kid a lot. As much as I love seeing him light it up from distance I hope he keeps going teams with the drive, too. He's got the tools to be a really good offensive player, and he's pretty hard nosed on D as well. Another nice pick by Mitch who seems to be underrated in that department.


+100 on the floater. It's like a freaking free throw for him anywhere inside that line. Has to be above 80%....no? Where's a stat person when you need them. Where can this be found??
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby gcclaker on Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:28 pm

^A floater is a difficult shot to pull off and he seems to have the right touch for it. Lantz often mentions how it drives "bigs" crazy.

Goudelock and the Three Bears. :man10: Still makes me laugh whoever coined that up.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:34 pm

Not gonna lie...that floater of his is unmolested fresh snow cash money in the lane.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:14 pm

In 11.6 MPpg Goudelock is averaging 4.9 PTSpg. In 22.6 MPpg, MWP is averaging 4.8 PTSpg. SAD man.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:23 pm

I get that Brown is trying to bring a bit more defense to the second unit by supplanting Murph and Goudelock with McBob and MWP, but I feel like we could use at least one consistent three point threat out there to space the floor and open up some room in the lane and my vote goes to Goudelock. The extra D is nice but unfortunately it comes at the expense of a consistent deep threat and a lack of spacing. Barnes has picked up his 3P% recently and if he proves to be consistent then it may not be such a big deal, but playing Goudelock also cuts down on the number of minutes Bryant, Barnes and MWP are forced to play as well.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby khmrP on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:28 pm

dammit let this guy play least he has balls unlike Blake
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:31 pm

He's actually losing time to Barnes.

Barnes is playing SG lately with MWP and we're getting a crazy strong defensively lineup. Since acquiring Sessions, Barnes is 8/17 from downtown which is 47%. I don't think he can keep up that kind of shooting, but even if he dips 10% that's good enough to do damage and space the floor.

Barnes may make Goudelock unnecessary.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby khmrP on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:34 pm

^^^I'm sure Glock can play along side Sessions, the 2nd unit should be the different pace/faster team, Artest doesn't fit that mold with Bynum as the core guy with 2nd unit we need floor spacers.....I think Barnes will be effective regardless of playing 3 or 2. I would play Hill too, next to Bynum if we have Glock/Barnes spreading the floor for Bynum.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:36 pm

GLOCK was playing well with Blake in the second unit. When the natural order comes to what it should be, with Sessions out there as a starter and playing 35 minutes a game, GLOCK will work once again with Blake and the second unit.

We shouldn't be holding Sessions back. Get him going with the starters and let's see the best Laker team possible on the floor for the majority of the game. GLOCK is a good fit out there with Blake off the bench. 13 minutes a game for Blake and 11-13 for GLOCK would be good stuff for the rest of the regular season and would bring down Kobe's minutes.

Barnes should be splitting minutes evenly with MWP - that means time with Sessions and the
starters, and with Blake.

If they get the PG minutes right everything else falls into place, including GLOCK. The bigs can be subbed as needed depending on match-ups and foul situations with Pau and Bynum. We've got three guys to do the job, each with a different skill set. Well, McBobs and Hill are similar enough, but Murphy is quite different with the long range shooting.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:39 pm

Yeah Barnes , MWP and Drew anchoring the paint ain't no joke ... fortunately for the other team , there is McBob or Alf at the 4 ... at the beginning of the season , we could have put a all time worst 5 defensive team on the floor , Fish, Krapono, Luke, Mcbob and Alf
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:44 pm

Lakerjones wrote:GLOCK was playing well with Blake in the second unit. When the natural order comes to what it should be, with Sessions out there as a starter and playing 35 minutes a game, GLOCK will work once again with Blake and the second unit.

We shouldn't be holding Sessions back. Get him going with the starters and let's see the best Laker team possible on the floor for the majority of the game. GLOCK is a good fit out there with Blake off the bench. 13 minutes a game for Blake and 11-13 for GLOCK would be good stuff for the rest of the regular season and would bring down Kobe's minutes.

Barnes should be splitting minutes evenly with MWP - that means time with Sessions and the
starters, and with Blake.

If they get the PG minutes right everything else falls into place, including GLOCK. The bigs can be subbed as needed depending on match-ups and foul situations with Pau and Bynum. We've got three guys to do the job, each with a different skill set. Well, McBobs and Hill are similar enough, but Murphy is quite different with the long range shooting.


Ideally this would happen:
Sessions (35)/ Blake (13)
Bryant (35)/ Goudelock (13)
Artest (30)/ Barnes (18)
Gasol (35)/ McRoberts (13)
Bynum (35)/ Murphy or Hill (13)

When Blake is in the game, I hope Goudelock is always in. Blake is too timid to contribute offensively as far as scoring. Goudelock isn't afraid of anything and he'd be the best fit next to Blake. Barnes can play effectively at SG with MWP at SF for most stretches, especially with Sessions on the floor. McRoberts can be effective now with Sessions running the show. Hill or Murphy should be used conditionally depending on matchups.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:14 am

I wish he had just a little bit more handle and a bit more in the way of being able to create for others as he'd be the perfect replacement for Blake IMO given how much KGB dominate the ball offensively. Goudelock would be the perfect floor spacer for the first unit and we all know he ain't scurred. If he could improve those two areas of his game he'd be perfect alongside the starters IMO.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:35 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:I wish he had just a little bit more handle and a bit more in the way of being able to create for others as he'd be the perfect replacement for Blake IMO given how much KGB dominate the ball offensively. Goudelock would be the perfect floor spacer for the first unit and we all know he ain't scurred. If he could improve those two areas of his game he'd be perfect alongside the starters IMO.


Some games I really wouldn't mind Glock getting all of Blake's minutes. And by some games I mean a majority of them. Glock's offense is better and he can create for himself. Blake's defense isn't what's making us a great defensive team, so the drop off there would be minimal.

Blake is slowly slipping to the point of just being a spot up shooter with this team.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:01 am

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Lakerjones wrote:GLOCK was playing well with Blake in the second unit. When the natural order comes to what it should be, with Sessions out there as a starter and playing 35 minutes a game, GLOCK will work once again with Blake and the second unit.

We shouldn't be holding Sessions back. Get him going with the starters and let's see the best Laker team possible on the floor for the majority of the game. GLOCK is a good fit out there with Blake off the bench. 13 minutes a game for Blake and 11-13 for GLOCK would be good stuff for the rest of the regular season and would bring down Kobe's minutes.

Barnes should be splitting minutes evenly with MWP - that means time with Sessions and the
starters, and with Blake.

If they get the PG minutes right everything else falls into place, including GLOCK. The bigs can be subbed as needed depending on match-ups and foul situations with Pau and Bynum. We've got three guys to do the job, each with a different skill set. Well, McBobs and Hill are similar enough, but Murphy is quite different with the long range shooting.


Ideally this would happen:
Sessions (35)/ Blake (13)
Bryant (35)/ Goudelock (13)
Artest (30)/ Barnes (18)
Gasol (35)/ McRoberts (13)
Bynum (35)/ Murphy or Hill (13)

When Blake is in the game, I hope Goudelock is always in. Blake is too timid to contribute offensively as far as scoring. Goudelock isn't afraid of anything and he'd be the best fit next to Blake. Barnes can play effectively at SG with MWP at SF for most stretches, especially with Sessions on the floor. McRoberts can be effective now with Sessions running the show. Hill or Murphy should be used conditionally depending on matchups.


Basically I completely agree realdeal, especially about Glock basically being in all the time Blake is in to give them a real threat from outside who isn't afraid to pull the trigger.

The only difference between our projected lineups is that I would love to see Barnes split minutes evenly with Artest - 24 and 24. Especially because Sessions and Barnes play so well together - I'd like to see Barnes get more minutes with the starters. Artest and Barnes to me are a great platoon unit - they have different strengths but are pretty complementary. Now with Barnes showing confidence in his three pointer when in the game with Sessions, I'd like to see that out there with Kobe Pau and Bynum to stretch the floor. Artest still makes me cringe from long distance. He can hit a couple of them if he's feeling it, but it's pretty bad.

I think 24 minutes for both Barnes and Artest would be perfect.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:36 am

I agree on paper but the problem is Artest. Remember earlier in the year he blasted Brown for not playing him enough? I think that mentally Artest couldn't handle having reduced minutes again. And considering how much better Artest has been since he's been given the starting job and 30 minutes a game or so, I don't want to risk losing him mentally again.

That's why you've seen Barnes playing the 2 recently. Barnes has been too effective not to play him, so he needs minutes somewhere. The problem is finding them. In my little graph there I showed Barnes getting minutes behind Artest when really he'd be getting minutes behind Kobe and Glock is getting minutes behind Artest if that makes sense.

Basically the lineups look like this:
start 1st:
Sessions/Bryant/Artest/Gasol/Bryant

1st sub:
Sessions/Bryant/Barnes/Murphy/Bynum

2nd sub:
Blake/Goudelock/Barnes/Murphy/Gasol

3rd:
Sessions/Barnes/Artest/Murphy/Gasol

Something like that anyway. Barnes is going to be playing a 2/3 in the offense allowing him to remain in the game as necessary. Goudelock still comes in, but when he does Artest isn't on the floor anymore. Meanwhile, Barnes can run with either unit as the 2 or the 3 depending on matchups.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:46 am

^^ Hmmm. I like the way your sub breakdown looks for sure realdeal. I agree with that pretty much all the way. But I still think Barnes should split minutes with Ron. Ron can keep the starting job and probably the finishing job.

But Barnes needs to be rewarded for good play and so does Sessions. Sessions in 35 mpg, Barnes 24. 18 is too little given what he's doing right now. Ride the hot hand.

Artest shouldn't be catered to. As a player you have to fall in line, and I think he was more irked by losing the starting job than anything. He and Barnes need to be played as a tandem. They are both vets and can handle it.

Of course, it can also be somewhat situational, especially in the playoffs. If we're playing vs. Durant or vs. Lebronze of course I want to see more Artest than Barnes. He's just a better defender against those guys.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby LakerBoyz24 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:03 am

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bruddahmanmatt wrote:I wish he had just a little bit more handle and a bit more in the way of being able to create for others as he'd be the perfect replacement for Blake IMO given how much KGB dominate the ball offensively. Goudelock would be the perfect floor spacer for the first unit and we all know he ain't scurred. If he could improve those two areas of his game he'd be perfect alongside the starters IMO.


Some games I really wouldn't mind Glock getting all of Blake's minutes. And by some games I mean a majority of them. Glock's offense is better and he can create for himself. Blake's defense isn't what's making us a great defensive team, so the drop off there would be minimal.

Blake is slowly slipping to the point of just being a spot up shooter with this team.


Yup agreed, but there's little room for Glock in the NBA as a very undersized SG(at 6'2/6'3 he is a nice and above avg size for a PG) who can't create for himself, and doesn't have good ballhandling/dribbling skills. If he doesn't even have the ballhandling skills or the skill to create for himself at the SG position, that makes him a even worse fit for the PG position. PG has to be able to ISO/create for themselves when needed, create for others, and be able to drive or have a floater at least a bit at the very least. That's only a few main parts, and he can't do any of that.

He is a really half-assed wannabe-SG, since a real SG can create of the dribble/create for himself, drive well, has good ball-handling skills, and is a lot more versatile and WAY bigger, to say the least(once again, only a few main parts of being a SG but he can't do any of that either). All he does well atm is being a spot up shooter, and there's tons of better one-dimensional spot up shooters than him in the NBA. I think I'm being a bit hard on the little guy, but that's the reality of the situation for Glock.
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