Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

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Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:49 pm

6 points and 4 rebounds is at least 14 points, possibly more coming through spreading the ball around to others.

12 points and 1 assist indicates a) a SG and b) a lack of ball movement.

I don't know why you guys are so entranced with him.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:56 pm

12 points + 1 assist = 14 points

6 points + 4 assists = 14 points

Although Doc didn't list the TO's, IMO Blake probably has more than Glock does. So all in all, Blake produces the same amount while turning the ball over more.

Neither one of them is suitable to play backup PG, but I'd choose Glock over Blake simply because he produces without turning the ball over.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:57 pm

Glock wasn't a good fit fellas...and don't forget there are 2 sides of the ball. On defense (which should be the emphasis here...we got 4 All-stars on the team....we'll be fine in regards to scoring fellas) dude would've got killed. He's too short to guard a typical SG and too slow (not athletic enough) to guard the PG.

Offensively he could hold his own and no one is saying he can't...but in terms of commanding the offense as a PG, he couldn't do that and more importantly, defensively he's a huge liability. Either our bigs would be exposed to foul trouble or perimeter players would have good looks cause he's not tall enough to challenge the shot.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:01 pm

Glock guarded PG's fine. And the stats from 82 games back me up on that.

It's just that there are guards out there better than both Blake and Glock (West in particular) that we should be going after.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:03 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Glock wasn't a good fit fellas...and don't forget there are 2 sides of the ball. On defense (which should be the emphasis here...we got 4 All-stars on the team....we'll be fine in regards to scoring fellas) dude would've got killed. He's too short to guard a typical SG and too slow (not athletic enough) to guard the PG.

Offensively he could hold his own and no one is saying he can't...but in terms of commanding the offense as a PG, he couldn't do that and more importantly, defensively he's a huge liability. Either our bigs would be exposed to foul trouble or perimeter players would have good looks cause he's not tall enough to challenge the shot.


This explains better than I've been doing. The stats are definitely misleading as far as production goes.

And he averaged 0.5 assists and 0.5 turnovers. His assist/to ratio is 1:1 which is awful for any guard position.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby Finwë on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:16 pm

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kray28 wrote:Well, it was nice knowin' ya Glock. You might actually be the best bench scorer on the team, but as Mike says, it's not like you're scoring 15 ppg.

This.

I liked Goudelock. :bang:
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby The Rock on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:24 pm

Welp hes gone. So from my side theres no point in arguing about him. Even if he was here, Brown showed he wasn't gonna play him much outside of being a last resort.

Oh well. Good luck Mini Mamba
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby GT-R on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:32 pm

The Lakers are playing a numbers game right now.

It made very little sense to keep Glock because he was replaced by Meeks, we have too many PG's, and he was not going to get any minutes this season. He was also last on the depth chart. If the Lakers felt Glock had a chance to be a very good bench player then they would've not signed Meeks in the first place. Meeks is an upgrade over Glock.

If DJO stays on the team then he will have the chance to compete for the back up PG next summer. Morris and Duhon would be gone next off-season and Blake would be an expiring contract.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby Helljumper on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:33 pm

I agree with some of the critcisms for Glock: He's too short, he's not a good defender, he's not a traditonal PG. But so what? None of our PG's are good defenders and our bench doesn't need a traditional PG. Glock is much better at scoring than Blake is at making plays for others.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:41 pm

Im with Real. I was never high on the kid like everyone seemed to be, even last year. The kid was a scorer for sure and if you wanted someone who wasn't afraid to put up shots he was your guy. However, the moment he started getting regular minutes and putting up those 12 shots a game alla William Parker everyone would be like "Who the F is this idiot think he is". Guess Im part of the minority here.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby LakerFan1235 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:00 pm

Well he sure has hell has more value than a Clark or a Morris. Morris is garbage.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby dj vitus on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:08 pm

I thought we could've used him as a Steve Novak type, or to make up for the failures of Jason Kapono, but oh well. At least DJO is still on the team, and we do need speed and defense.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:13 pm

Morris being guaranteed is really killing us. I don't see how we go out & spend 90M on the roster & then decide the bench can be garbage to save having to pay a couple small contracts. Now watch DOJO get cut so we can have the 14 we usually carry.. Is it that impossible to dump Blake, Duhon, Morris? Must be. Would have loved to dump all 3 of them for a pack of skittles, kept CDR & Glock & left 1 roster spot open. I think Glock will find another home & we'll see more of that floater. Could see him becoming a solid 6th man one day, the kid can flat out score.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby BDG on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:44 pm

Like others said, I wish we waived Morris instead ... didn't really understand why we extended him.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:45 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:Well he sure has hell has more value than a Clark or a Morris. Morris is garbage.


I agree here. Clark has some upside and his contract is friendly, but Morris is pure garbage... why would we extend him? I really don't understand that move.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby karacha on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:04 pm

Fortunately we still have Morris. He'll contribute.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby jadej2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:19 pm

therealdeal wrote:
LakerFan1235 wrote:Well he sure has hell has more value than a Clark or a Morris. Morris is garbage.


I agree here. Clark has some upside and his contract is friendly, but Morris is pure garbage... why would we extend him? I really don't understand that move.


It's because at the time we didn''t have a choice because before Nash, and Duhon we have no PG depth at all because Blake was the only PG signed.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:24 pm

While I don't see him as a legit NBA talent..... releasing him and keeping Morris is adding insult to injury.....
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby jadej2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:36 pm

Rooscooter wrote:While I don't see him as a legit NBA talent..... releasing him and keeping Morris is adding insult to injury.....


Had no choice because as long as Morris has a guaranteed contract we can't touch, and it will cost us some money if we waived him luxury taxes included.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:40 pm

either way our bench defense at the guard spot is gunna be terrible. so i would have rather a guy who maybe give up 2 points on one end but on the other immediately get 2-3 back. just in the few minutes he played last game he took a guy off the dribble, penetrated, and drilled his floater.

i think if he was given the minutes he would have shined for our bench. sucks that we had so many guards that mike brown loved over block bc glock prob would have produced the same if not more than them over time and would have improved his D im sure.

3 point shooting and a floater are a great combo and def better than what blake morris can bring to the table. id play meeks over him but a back court of meeks and glock would have been pretty cool. defense would have been prob the same as meeks and blake or meeks and morris.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:47 pm

The reality is Goudlock regressed. If you saw him in the summer league he couldn't hit a shot. If you are going to be an undersized SG you had better hit your shots. Morris was far better in the summer league. We honestly didn't see much of either one during preseason to judge. I would also say Morris has some upside, not sure that Goudlock would do much more than you saw last year. Jodie Meeks is better at everything that Goudlock does and Ebanks showed he could fill in at SG. Goudlock can't play PG on offense or defense.

Morris came out 2 years too early. I wouldn't judge him for another year.
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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby kray28 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:11 pm

The Rock wrote:That sucks.


Yeah, it sucks that talented players who could have helped us get cut, while worthless trash we have guaranteed contracts with get to stay.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:17 pm

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Re: Andrew Gl0ck/G-LOC Discussion Thread

Postby jadej2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:24 pm

kray28 wrote:
The Rock wrote:That sucks.


Yeah, it sucks that talented players who could have helped us get cut, while worthless trash we have guaranteed contracts with get to stay.


Well that's how the system works, and if we trying to cut them we will be paying for it especially in the luxury tax.
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Re: Andrew Goudelock Waived: no longer a Laker (pg 23)

Postby live and die in LA on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:37 pm

Okay so maybe Glock is a liability on defense and an undersized shooting guard, I get that. I just have a hard time thinking guys like Morris, Clark and DJO can contribute more to this team. At least we knew Goudelock had the range and a deadly floater. I truly believe he will make it somewhere as a spark off the bench.
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