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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby revgen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:57 am

Pig Miller wrote:i don't get why jamison is getting absolutely no run. i know he's weak defensively, but let's be honest, D hasn't been a concern of this coach historically.

the guy is great around the basket, is a 3 ball threat, can work the paint.

i'm really not sure what i'm missing here.

even in a blowout, you should get his legs warm for a few minutes, get him into some type of game rhythm.


What you're missing is that Antawn was signed to be a 6th man scorer on a team that can score just fine without him. The area that we're in need of improving is the defensive end. Antawn really doesn't help there.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Center Court on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:25 am

I've posted min logs over and over, but the fact is that Jamison deserves to be playing mins. I MDA would just get off is [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] and move Metta back to the start 3, i'd alleviate a lot of problems rotation wise;

Dwight (36)/Hill (12)
Pau (32)/ Jamison (16)
Metta (34)/ Kobe (10)/ Jamison or Ebanks (4)
Kobe (24)/ Meeks (24)
Nash (32)/ Duhon (8)/ Morris (8)
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:29 am

Jamison has trouble playing the 3, MWP, Hill and Pau play minutes at the 4 and hes not playing better than them sooo hes the odd man out
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Lakerjones on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:29 am

Pau had a nice game last night and looked good, but plantar fasciitis can really hobble you as some posters here have said from experience and we have seen it take its' toll on the court with Ron and Kobe. Jamison needs to keep it warm even though he's not getting the call right now. D' Antoni goes with who's hot so if Pau stumbles with less rest between games he may get the nod at times. Right now Hill is ahead of him in the rotation and I think that's understandable because of his activity. I still think Jamison will get some time. He should.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:30 am

Center Court wrote:I've posted min logs over and over, but the fact is that Jamison deserves to be playing mins. I MDA would just get off is [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] and move Metta back to the start 3, i'd alleviate a lot of problems rotation wise;

Dwight (36)/Hill (12)
Pau (32)/ Jamison (16)
Metta (34)/ Kobe (10)/ Jamison or Ebanks (4)
Kobe (24)/ Meeks (24)
Nash (32)/ Duhon (8)/ Morris (8)



Hill and MWP need minutes at the 4.

MDA is prioritizing Defense over offense so Jamison has to sit for now
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:44 am

I think the people that overrated him initially are the ones that have a problem with him not getting minutes. I seriously do not care at all, if he was playing well and got benched then we'd have something to talk about. He's a total non issue to me
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby thisbjgz on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:02 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I think the people that overrated him initially are the ones that have a problem with him not getting minutes. I seriously do not care at all, if he was playing well and got benched then we'd have something to talk about. He's a total non issue to me


+1. I was high on him this year too but he hasn't shown too much consistency, whether it be his shots not falling, or he just doesn't help in more areas as we would like.

maybe we aren't using him right? idk but we're winning and honestly he being a veteran shouldn't put his coach under the bus through the media.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby v1n5anity on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:15 pm

I mean he's decent but I didn't expect much from him to begin with. But revgen is right...his role was to score and we can do that just fine without him. He's of little value to us other than being an insurance big.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:35 pm

With MWP playing PF more it really limited his time. Hill brings more defensively and size and MWP is a far better player at this point. Jamison is a stretch 4 that cannot defend.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Scnottaken on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:45 pm

V1n5anity wrote:I mean he's decent but I didn't expect much from him to begin with. But revgen is right...his role was to score and we can do that just fine without him. He's of little value to us other than being an insurance big.

Sure we can do that fine. . . now. But with the amount of minutes our players are playing, don't you think it'd be nice if we had someone who could come off the bench and score? Too bad that's a pipe dream.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:13 am

Antawn Jamison has seen just about everything in his NBA career. “Not this,” he said Friday after sitting out a fifth consecutive game via the dreaded DNP-Coach’s Decision. “Fifteen years,” the Lakers forward said, recapping his career. “My only thing is let me know why. I don’t think you go from starting and 30- something minutes to not in the rotation whatsoever. And not explaining to me what exactly happened, that’s the toughest thing. There’s nothing you can do but be positive and support your teammates. The only reason I came here was they said I was going to play and to win a championship.” Los Angeles Times


It was assumed his stats would drop after he averaged 17.2 points last season for Cleveland. It wasn’t assumed he would sit on the bench for entire games. “There’s a competitor in me that wants to compete and I know I can help the team,” Jamison said. “Whenever I get answers, I guess I’ll feel more better about the situation but nothing has been told to me why nothing has happened or that I did anything wrong. “DNPs for the first time in my career. I have not had a conversation with [D’Antoni] about anything about the situation.” Los Angeles Times
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:41 am

I'm fine with Jamison on the bench ... he doesn't deserve minutes over Hill .

I hope MDA doesn't put Tawn back in the rotation and bench Jordan again after Jamison yesterday comments
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:44 am

I don't like what jamison did speaking out to the media like that. Him being a vet, he handled this extremely poorly. Why in the world would he come out to the media about being mad about playing time. ESPECIALLY at this point in time when you have the team slowly improving and trying to turn a corner. He should be happy for everyone that we're beginning to win more consistently, instead of whining. Everyone is all about the team, and it will only make the players secretly dislike jamison. Horrible decision for him, should've manned up and dealt with it within closed doors. Instead of blabbering to the media. Not good, not good at all.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby charvin on Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:44 pm

You don't bring a guy here, especially a 16 year veteran, to rot on the bench. This was not part of what he was told in the off season when they tried to sign him.

It's understandable if you don't want to play him over Hill because of "defense", so then play him with Hill. Look at what the Grizzlies did in their game vs the Nuggets. It was a 9 point win, and yet no player played more than 32 minutes (Gay). They were able to find minutes for 11 players and I'm sure you can just trim that down to 10 for the Lakers.


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Nash/Duhon/Morris

Now is the time to experiment if MDA so chooses. So much time in between games for the upcoming 3 games that it doesn't hurt to try your line-ups.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby therealdeal on Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:23 pm

charvin wrote:You don't bring a guy here, especially a 16 year veteran, to rot on the bench. This was not part of what he was told in the off season when they tried to sign him.

Of course you do if he's not performing the way he's been expected to perform. That's not our problem if he's not playing defense, not always showing the right amount of effort, and not always shooting well enough to justify playing time.

He wasn't playing well before he was benched outside of a couple of great games. For the most part he was underwhelming leading a TON of fans asking WHY we signed him in the first place.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:35 pm

I don't get why people talk about Jamison like he's something special. We have signed tons of over the hill vets over the years and not played them if we didn't think they would perform well enough
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:48 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I think the people that overrated him initially are the ones that have a problem with him not getting minutes. I seriously do not care at all, if he was playing well and got benched then we'd have something to talk about. He's a total non issue to me


He's the most talented scorer we have on the bench..... and it isn't even close. MWP is a better all around player at this point but Jamison is the better pure scorer. He is needed IMO to score when Kobe is on the bench... most of Kobe's excessive minutes are needed because we can't score when he's out of the game consistently.

To give playing time to either Ebanks or Morris over him doesn't seem to make sense..... they to follow up the DNP's with the comment that he "doesn't want to lose him" seems to acknowledge that fact... yet the next game he can't even get garbage minutes.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby The Rock on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:26 pm

Some of the questions these reporters from LA Times and ESPN LA are asking him are just stirring the pot...ridiculous, they made him apologize and asked him if he wants a trade

1) He should be frustrated he isn't getting any PT. Thats a good thing. He wants to play. I'll take it
2) He shouldn't be apologizing for being frustrated. These are like everyday occurrences in any team
3) Credit to him for handling it like a pro and saying he'd rather stay here and then be somewhere else
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:37 pm

What I don't like is we have a player of his caliber who doesn't know why he isn't playing. The coaches (especially D'antoni) have to do better than that. This guy should be getting a few minutes a game period.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:44 pm

he isnt just a normal vet that we normally bring in to sit on the bench. the dude was scoring 17+ for the past few years. he can still score. he hasnt really been given a real opportunity to play minus a few starts/games where he did pretty well and a few gmaes where he was a zero just like any player can have.

he needs consistent minutes. he should play with hill and mwp and mwp can cross with him on defense. our team defense is what counts not individual defense. look what we do for nash. i think jamison's offense and ability to spread the floor will out shine his defense. its bad but i think with the way were playing TEAM defense recently i think he can succeed. hes had a few "wow" defensive plays and i think hes made it a priority to focus on d.

give him a shot. this team will need more options when it comes to playoffs. if mwp is off and meeks is too were screwed. i would like 3 guys who can go off at any time off our bench in many different ways other than 3 point shooting. mwp meeks and jamison can be that 3 headed monster off the bench. you have 3 point shooting. post moves from mwp and jamison. rebounding. and hustle energy from meeks. thats not even counting hill's rebounding and energy.

play jamison and move metta back to the 3. 3 or 4 hes gunna do the same thing and on d him and jamison can switch quickly to cover up their slowness on screens etc. i think it can work if dantoni tries. if he cares about his players then he'll at least talk to jamison and work something out. playing mwp at the 4 isnt worth losing another huge threat off the bench...especially when our bench sucks. team defense and mwp and jamison switching should coverhis flaws on d enough
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:53 pm

Two days after openly questioning the thought process behind his diminished role, Lakers forward Antawn Jamison apologized.

“I shouldn’t have expressed my frustrations the way I did, especially after a win,” Jamison told reporters. “It derails from what we’re trying to do here.”

The Lakers (15-15) have won six of their last seven games, which has coincided with Jamison sitting out the last five. That reflected a stark contrast to the Lakers’ initial expectations when they signed him this offseason to a one-year deal worth the veteran’s minimum ($1.4 million). Few expected Jamison would reflect his career 19.2 points per game through 15 seasons. But they envisioned him becoming the Lakers’ sixth man and lead the bench with secondary scoring.

Shortly after the Lakers fired Mike Brown, Jamison’s role expanded under coach Mike D’Antoni. He posted a season-high 33 points against Denver on Nov. 30 and then averaged 12.3 points over the next four games. But Metta World Peace’s offensive and defensive consistency, Jordan Hill’s energy and Jamison’s streaky shooting and subpar defense all have contributed toward a diminished role. Jamison even sat in the Lakers’ blowout win Friday over Portland when seldom-used reserves Devin Ebanks, Robert Sacre and Earl Clark played in garbage time, an issue D’Antoni says he made out of respect for the 15-year veteran.

That dynamic prompted Jamison to vent his frustrations to this newspaper.

““It doesn’t make sense at all,” Jamison said. “They’re pretty much telling me my services are no longer needed.” In a separate interview with the Los Angeles Times, Jamison echoed similar frustrations, namely that D’Antoni hasn’t explained the demotion to him directly.


“I know you all have a job to do, but if you go to a player after he didn’t play in a game, he’s going to be upset,” D’Antoni said. “Stuff comes out, but there is nothing there.”

“He didn’t send me a Christmas gift and I’m kind of upset about that,” D’Antoni added jokingly. “But he’s a great guy and professional. He understands I’m taking a different way to go. It’s nothing he didn’t do. He just has to keep getting ready and it will come back in his favor.”

Has D’Antoni echoed those sentiments and his overall thought process directly to Jamison?

“The only way I know how to handle anything is I’m trying to talk to the guys every day on what’s going on. We have 35 assistant coaches they can talk to if they have problems,” D’Antoni said, jokingly. “My door is always open if there’s any problems. It’s always been that way. There’s absolutely nothing there.”

“Most of the time I [make rotations] without pre planning it. A lot of times you make a substitution or you go that way because you see something early in the game that you’d like to exploit. As a player, they can see that. I can understand why it’s difficult to accept or needs a better explanation. I could do a better job of communicating. There’s no doubt about that. But I’m great, he’s great, the team’s winning.”

Jamison stressed such themes even when he acknowledged his frustrations. But he shied away from revisiting any grievances. Instead, Jamisn reiterated his preference for playing for a championship caliber team and stressed how “winning overrules everything.”

“There’s not going to be no rocking the boat for myself or demanding a trade,” Jamison said. “I’m here for the long haul. I’m here to help this team win a championship. If the opportunity comes up again, I just have to be patient and be ready for the opportunity to present itself. Until then, we’re winning. That’s the most important thing.”

“I’m a competitor and I want to compete. But I came here not only to win but to win a championship. If that calls for me to be a cheerleader or coach some of the guys on the bench I’m sitting next to, I’m willing to do that. I’ve had all the individual success you could possibly have, but most importantly, it’s about winning a championship and being there for your teammates. I’d rather be in LA winning basketball games and have a chance to contend rather than being in some other city being 5-30.”

Following Sunday’s practice, Jamison continued working on his jump shooting and working with other reserves. Jamison has cemented a strong reputation as a professional and has never had any reported locker room friction. Despite Jamison’s public frustration.

That dynamic wasn’t lost on Lakers guard Kobe Bryant.

“It’s one thing to lead from the front by playing a lot of minutes,” he said. “But there is also leadership from the backside, not playing a lot of minutes and being a professional and showing unselfishness for the group. I think that has an affect the rest of the team. It helps us as a ballclub to be unselfish and play for each other. When he gets his opportunity, he’s going to come in and play well.”

Jamison vowed he will keep that mindset even if the diminished playing time continues.

“The biggest thing is for me to continue to work and be positive,” he said. “If the opportunity comes up, I’ll be ready. I’ve seen it so many times where they give up and then the opportunity comes. Then they’re not physically prepared. They’re not mentally prepared. It’s a long season. Things are going to happen. In my situation, I’m going to continue to work and continue to be positive. When the situation comes up, I’ll be ready to compete at a high level.”
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby XXIV on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:57 pm

A very professional athlete and it's too bad he's currently not receiving any playing time. I believe that will change in the near future and hopefully he's able to capitalize when that opportunity comes.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:43 pm

he is a pro and I hope Mike finds a role for him because he will be big for us come the second half of the season.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Biz on Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:05 pm

Our bench is still very weak when playing against the opposing team's benches. I get that Jamison has been inconsistent this year but I just can't accept that there is no role for him on this team, specifically a 6th (or even 7th) man. At the very least he can be getting some minutes just to reduce the minutes of our starters.
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Re: Antawn Jamison Discussion: Bench 4!

Postby Nikez on Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:20 pm

Jamison probably knows by now that this is the nature of the business. Right now, the guys on our team who are doing what jamison can do are playing well and taking his responsibilities. His reduced role is more of a phase than a long term strategy imo and he will be utilized more once this team continues to develop chemistry and and identity.
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