Basketball Evolution

Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:59 am

^^Gee….. thanks. I feel honored….
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby jlkr on Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:50 pm

Short, short version: I'd definitely take the Detroit Piston star Isaiah Thomas over Paul.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Congo Cash on Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:34 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^Gee….. thanks. I feel honored….

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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Doc Brown on Sat May 03, 2014 8:10 am

Damian Lillard >>> Chris Paul :man1:
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby abeer3 on Sat May 03, 2014 1:04 pm

monta ellis > james harden

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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Punk-101 on Sat May 03, 2014 3:09 pm

In the microcosm of their two respective series, in my eyes, Harden flopped much more frequently then Paul. His flops included throwing himself into players when shooting, as expected, but also off ball on screens, during loose ball situations, and when the defender tried to deny him the ball. So much of his game was about trying to trick the refs.

Career-wise I think Paul takes the cake, and I've never seen Harden do anything as egregious as the examples in the video, but just during these playoffs, harden gets the nod from me as King-flop.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Sat May 03, 2014 5:02 pm

^^Harden was horrible.... I agree. Paul's entire game has been off.... including his flopping. I fully expect a full effort today though. I'm sure he's still got some moves to teach Harden......
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat May 03, 2014 11:59 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Harden was horrible.... I agree. Paul's entire game has been off.... including his flopping. I fully expect a full effort today though. I'm sure he's still got some moves to teach Harden......


Just sad. You try so hard to be negative.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sun May 04, 2014 12:07 am

Doc Brown wrote:Damian Lillard >>> Chris Paul :man1:


Dude is a beast. I am fully convinced he is the real deal and think he has a chance at being a top 10 player in this league very soon. He has game, is poised and composed and has a shot.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 04, 2014 9:35 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^Harden was horrible.... I agree. Paul's entire game has been off.... including his flopping. I fully expect a full effort today though. I'm sure he's still got some moves to teach Harden......


Just sad. You try so hard to be negative.


:man10: ..... So, I guess you are "positive" in your ludicrous over the top fanboyisms.......

A Chris Paul team won a playoff series..... With him not having the ball down the stretch. Who around here said that was the formula for having this team win. They barely won but did so just like they won when he was hurt on a failed flop..... By having someone else initiate when it mattered.

Is that too negative for ya..... You don't have to answer until after their next win.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon May 12, 2014 1:43 pm

Flopping is a part of the NBA. It's not just Paul or Harden that does it. It's a league wide issue. Why? Because the rules give the players an incentive to flop. Flopping is a result of the league rules, not the players becoming soft or trying to cheat. If the league allowed physicality like the 80's, the league would be just as physical. The game will be as physical as the rules allow it to be. In this sissy league of today, they aren't allowing any physicality so it pays off to flop and try to get some free throws. This issue is clearly with the rule makers, not the players.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 13, 2014 9:18 am

Theft is the problem of the super market chains. Punishment for theft isn't strong enough, so thieves continually steal because they're allowed to by the rules. In the old days, thieves would get lashes or maybe even a finger or hand cut off. In today's sissy super markets thieves have it easy so they steal. This is clearly a problem with the super markets, not the thieves.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby laakers on Tue May 13, 2014 9:30 am

Don't hate the player!
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 14, 2014 7:39 am

Paul being called for a phantom foul?….. Karma is a female dog sometimes……

EDIT: I didn't see the game and I just watched the final 5 minutes and all I have to say is……. :man10: :man10:

All things I believe about the Clippers and Paul were personified in that last few minutes. Karma indeed.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Punk-101 on Wed May 14, 2014 12:03 pm

It wasn't a phantom foul. he hit him on the forearm. It wasn't just a fingernail or tip, but the full pinky,partial ring finger and the pinky side of the palm flat against Westbrook's forearm.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby halekulani on Wed May 14, 2014 12:21 pm

well if you're going to call paul's pinky and ring fingers on wb, why dont you call jackson swiping at his arm on that last possession?

it's one thing to botch up a replay review

it's another to continue to ref one sided
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Punk-101 on Wed May 14, 2014 12:46 pm

halekulani wrote:well if you're going to call paul's pinky and ring fingers on wb, why dont you call jackson swiping at his arm on that last possession?

it's one thing to botch up a replay review

it's another to continue to ref one sided

I wasn't commenting on which team got screwed more, just on that one play.

Regarding the bad calls in general, I think there were plenty against both teams. But objectively, as much as I hate the floppers, the more costly ones went against them.

Several bad calls/no calls against the thunder in the final minutes were:
-Westbrook gettng contact on drives like 2-3 possessions in a row with no calls. The last one with Davis was a good no call as he went straight up. But the very next possession when Ibaka went straight up against Griffin, it was ruled a foul.
-There was an out of bounds play called off the clippers where Durant or Westbrook was grabbed around the wrist which is what knocked the ball loose, but no foul was called.
-The Jackson/Barnes play should have gone to the clippers IMO. The hand/ball OOB rule is worded terribly vague, but in that situation Doc has a right to be livid. But, I was shocked that a foul wasn't called which would have made the whole thing moot.
-Also just before Barnes got to Jackson, Paul clearly reaches across Jackson's waist at the top of the key. It was really obvious like he was taking an intentional foul or something.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby abeer3 on Fri May 16, 2014 8:05 am

I'm still laughing at rivers going nuts about a play on which the other team clearly deserved (and got) the ball. you're asking for a technicality to subvert justice--doesn't that bother you? anyway, that instance of weak leadership may helped his team to follow suit in the next game, complaining against obvious fouls (really, blake griffin? both of those were clearly fouls on you) instead of steeling their nerves and playing basketball.

I also find the level of outrage about the officiating in this series to be hilarious considering how little anyone cared about the 2006 finals. I'd hate to see the fallout had the object of that bit of biased officiating been doc rivers and these clippers...
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 16, 2014 9:28 am

abeer3 wrote:I'm still laughing at rivers going nuts about a play on which the other team clearly deserved (and got) the ball. you're asking for a technicality to subvert justice--doesn't that bother you? anyway, that instance of weak leadership may helped his team to follow suit in the next game, complaining against obvious fouls (really, blake griffin? both of those were clearly fouls on you) instead of steeling their nerves and playing basketball.

I also find the level of outrage about the officiating in this series to be hilarious considering how little anyone cared about the 2006 finals. I'd hate to see the fallout had the object of that bit of biased officiating been doc rivers and these clippers...

The Clippers took on the personality of Rivers and Rivers was done after Game 5. He melted down in front of the cameras, blamed the refs, and threw in the towel. Griffin and Paul did much of the same after Game 6.

Winning culture has yet to be brought to that team. Second round exits again for the greatest Clipper team they've ever had AND for Chris Paul. Yikes.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 16, 2014 7:06 pm

Rivers took on the Clippers personality if anything....... This crap has followed a particular Clipper from his NO failure days. Change that and I'd bet the team would change as well.

I thank Stern every day for his Reasons........ Every day.....
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 16, 2014 9:39 pm

I meant for the last two games. In general, yes, Rivers got that Clippers' stench all over him. Although I'd like to think that piece of crap coach was always like that. Being a Clipper just exacerbated it.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Magic Skywalker on Fri May 16, 2014 9:49 pm

"They still have not beaten our starting five. Our starting five against the Lakers starting five has a ring. Tell him don't forget that. We will be back strong and Perk (Kendrick Perkins(notes)) will be there next year if there's a game seven."


He's just the same guy.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 16, 2014 10:00 pm

Magic Skywalker wrote:
"They still have not beaten our starting five. Our starting five against the Lakers starting five has a ring. Tell him don't forget that. We will be back strong and Perk (Kendrick Perkins(notes)) will be there next year if there's a game seven."


He's just the same guy.

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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby abeer3 on Sat May 17, 2014 9:31 am

yeah, I've never thought much of rivers. he's a rah rah guy who got lucky with three vets coming together with a budding star. he didn't need to coach that team. the clippers don't look much different to me this year than last year. they got better fitting players (particularly redick), and so they won a few more games.

I also don't see how paul gets dragged into the rivers mentality. I didn't see him blaming the refs for making appropriate calls; I saw him taking responsibility for his failures. doc should take a cue.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sat May 17, 2014 10:22 am

True.

I'm not really a CP3 fan because of his excesive flopping, but you gotta respect the fact that he didn't go "ref this and ref that" like most of the "Clipper Nation", he went and took blame for his mistakes. I respect that.
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