Basketball Evolution

Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue May 20, 2014 4:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote: Kobe didn't get his as "the man" until he was 31.



I stopped reading here.....


stopped reading 10 words and 1 number too late. :man10: \

As for the on going CP3 debate I have to agree with Roo. The guy is a tremendous talent one of the best skilled PG's in the game. That being said, I have always said I would have taken a healthy D Williams over him without hesitation. hindsight would have proven that to be unwise since D Will pretty much fell the hell off when he got to BK but healthy vs healthy I'd still had chosen D Will. As Roo said, CP3's problem is he plays for the flop instead of the basket. He spends more energy trying to cheat the game than beat the game. Give me an ballhogging AI over that any day of the week. Hell give me a ballhogging Westbrook over that any day of the week. CP3's saving grace this season has been the evolution of Blake's game. Blake improved a lot (to my surprise indeed) as a player and that elevated the Clippers. When Paul was out they rode Blake's back and he showed just as valuable or more valuable without Paul on the floor. CP3 deserves all the criticism in the world for his play. No one should be trying to debate that fact.

Hell, I'll end with this question: Who is more dangerous with the game on the line and ball in his hands CP3 or Jordan Farmar? Think about that one.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby CGrand81 on Tue May 20, 2014 5:39 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote: Kobe didn't get his as "the man" until he was 31.



I stopped reading here.....

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Too bad he didn't say that.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 20, 2014 6:15 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote: Kobe didn't get his as "the man" until he was 31.



I stopped reading here.....


stopped reading 10 words and 1 number too late. :man10: \

As for the on going CP3 debate I have to agree with Roo. The guy is a tremendous talent one of the best skilled PG's in the game. That being said, I have always said I would have taken a healthy D Williams over him without hesitation. hindsight would have proven that to be unwise since D Will pretty much fell the hell off when he got to BK but healthy vs healthy I'd still had chosen D Will. As Roo said, CP3's problem is he plays for the flop instead of the basket. He spends more energy trying to cheat the game than beat the game. Give me an ballhogging AI over that any day of the week. Hell give me a ballhogging Westbrook over that any day of the week. CP3's saving grace this season has been the evolution of Blake's game. Blake improved a lot (to my surprise indeed) as a player and that elevated the Clippers. When Paul was out they rode Blake's back and he showed just as valuable or more valuable without Paul on the floor. CP3 deserves all the criticism in the world for his play. No one should be trying to debate that fact.

Hell, I'll end with this question: Who is more dangerous with the game on the line and ball in his hands CP3 or Jordan Farmar? Think about that one.


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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 21, 2014 11:33 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote: Kobe didn't get his as "the man" until he was 31.



I stopped reading here.....

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That's harsh Doc….. why would a Clipper fan know this? They were too busy trying to figure out the Lottery draft order for the 25 year in a row…..
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby LooN3y on Wed May 21, 2014 4:27 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:And I know this will sort of come across as an excuse but Paul happened to play in the wrong conference. And outside from this year, he really never had a team that was expected to do much. Yeah, in 2008, when he was 2nd in the MVP voting and his team had the 2nd best record behind the Lakers, you can say they should've done more but did anyone actually expect them to beat the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? They overachieved and CP3 was the main reason.

This was the first year were he actually had a team that could've competed with almost anyone. Prior to this year, I don't see how people can be so harsh on his playoff failures given the obvious situations. The WC was ultra tough and he never really had an elite team. Going up against Popovich and PJ in the playoffs? Who did he really have? Chandler? West? Those guys are good pieces, not the #2 man on a championship team. I would say those guys can be the 3rd piece in the championship team, not the #2 guys.

Again, I know it comes across as an excuse but basketball is the easiest sport to predict in terms of who wins it all. Even before the season starts, we already know the 4-5 teams that will win a ring and everyone else has no chance. Sure, there are exceptions like 2006 Heat or 2011 Mavs but this holds true most of the time. Paul never had an elite team that was supposed to seriously compete outside of this year. And for the next few years, I think he will have an elite team so if he falters, there will be no excuse.




what you said (i highlighted in bold) is ridiculous. first of all you just contradicted yourself, with th exceptions of the 06 heat or 11 mavs? what bout the 04 pistons?

not even that, just look at the playoffs history, doesnt even have to be recent. ANY Team is capable of winning and upsetting. There are those obvious 'sleepers' and 'upset' teams, but its the playoffs, anything can happen.

basketball is like shooting pool, you might have only 1 ball left ( might be up by 20 at the start of the 4th, controlling the tempo and pace for the whole game) but your opponent might just go on a run and win. (sorry best analogy i can think of on the fly)

well yes having wade, bosh, and lebron team up made it easier to determine who will win in the east, but before that i wouldnt of said it was "easy" to determine. who thought the 09 magic were gonna take out the cavs? or boston? (yeah they were injured but you said 'before the season even starts')



who thought the 09 rockets were going to take us to 7? who knew the 10 suns were going to get to the WCF?
Oh which brings up another point, which i said again and again.


CP3s hornets teams was no worse nor better than almost any of nash's team. especially that '10 suns that we played against the WCF. Yes, hes the best PG in the league as of now, but hey dwights the best center in the league right now lol. not trying to compare skill, but some of you guys (LGL) put him way too high on the pedestal. When you think of pure traditional PGs hes probably one of the top names along with other stars that come to mind, but dude is not a winner, and ive seen him choke plenty.


its just pretty hilarious with all the 'his team was never deep enough' and 'he played in the wrong conference' statements. it just proves that he just isnt that great.
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Re: Basketball Evolution

Postby Congo Cash on Wed May 21, 2014 8:00 pm

I don't think anyone could have predicted the Lakers reaching the Finals in 2007-08 (from 2 consecutive 1st round exits and a mediocre Shaq trade)... I mean starting the year with Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, and Smush Parker was not exactly the most exciting... :man10:

Easy to predict huh...
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