Best basketball decade?

Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby trodgers on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:16 pm

Absolutely agree, Chill, about the fact that many of those players were playing in the 80s and 90s.

You think of any Hardaway as an all-time great?
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:11 am

TIME wrote:
Side note for all you 90s guys: how many trophys did the Lakers win in the 90s? Tell me again how the 90s could possibly be the best?

Lol I knew people would say this, and as a Laker fan I agree, I was just asking as a fan of basketball in general, in terms of style of play (i.e. versatility of the game, using the post, jump shooting, passing, defense, etc), which is the best decade?
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:13 am

Doc Brown wrote:I still have yet to see a better playoff series than Lakers vs. Kings.

Early 2000's get my vote.

Great times, especially in the Western Conference. Teams with a lot of talent that shared the ball and played hard. SAS was also good, and so was Portland, Minny
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby nameant on Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:34 am

trodgers wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:All time great big men in Ewing, Hakeem, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson, Malone, Barkley, Shaq, Shawn Kemp, Mutombo

All time great guards in Stockton, Payton, Jordan, Drexler, Miller, Hardaway, Kidd

All time great wings in Pippen, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway,

God the 90's was amazing

1980s: Magic, Larry, Moses Malone, Adrian Dantley, Parish, McHale, Kareem, MJ, English, Barkley, Dr. J., Nique, Gilmore, Isiah, Worthy, Dennis Johnson, Hakeem, Drexler, King, Gervin, Malone


^ All these guys were at their best, winning rings or getting close, in the 90s.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby juninho on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:26 am

We had van exel-eddie-kobe-campbell-shaq during 90s but couldnt make the finals. That shows how 90s was quality. It was like having ty lawson-harden-iggy-david west-howard but cant make the finals.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Forward Three on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:45 am

There is a lot to like about the 2000-2010ish decade for a Lakers fan. Start the decade with a threepeat end it with a 2-out-of-3 consecutive Finals wins B2B much of it spearheaded by one of the all-time greatest to ever play the game in Kobe Bryant. Even though you had that lull in the middle of the decade, missing the PS you still, as a Lakers fan, got to see Kobe doing 'unlikely-to-be-duplicated' feats of impossibly good basketball. Also, it was in this era that we made the switch to High Definition broadcasting as well as the introduction of Youtube which have made enjoying the best plays that much better.

But on the downside, I think the internet and 'social' networking aspects and the populism and popularity contests and 24/7/365 analysis and spectacle engineering that has emerged in the past 5 or 6 years has hurt not only the NBA but every professional sport from a 'purity' standpoint. Sports have more of an air of WWE manufactured, fantastical spectacle air to them today than they ever have had, which is not to imply they are actually rigged and manufactured, but that all of the other components that make the scripted WWE 'work' as an entertainment juggernaut are in full effect with every professional sport today.

Of course, I am biased because I am young and I cut my teeth on the NBA in that decade(was a casual fan during the threepeat, by 2005 or so I was watching every game)

And truthfully whenever I do get down and watch a hardwood classics game on NBA TV or even just highlights and 'best ofs' from the 80s and 90s it really does surprise sometimes just how good those players actually were. Often when people look back fondly on a bygone era they do so poorly, they remember things poorly, they make players out to be better than they were, events more meaningful than they were...etc. But I don't think that is true with the NBA. There may be a few more freakish athletes these days and it seems like everyone can dunk now regardless of how tall they are, but overall basketball skill and ability and knowledge? it's hard to see how that was noticeably any weaker in the 90s than it is today, you still had high flyers and strongmen and giants and amazing shooters and crafty wingmen and slashers and combo guards and 'prototypes'.

So I'm not qualified to say really, as I really only KNOW the 99-now era of Basketball firsthand.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:45 am

Again, I don't know about all those guys being "all time greats" but I liked Penny's numbers, especially if he had a longer career. He was a baller his first three seasons. That injury really screwed him, despite his efforts to make a comeback.

I had a brain fart and meant to include Mark Jackson instead of Tim Hardaway. Hardaway was a great player from the 90s but Mark Jackson was putting up Rondo assist numbers.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:12 pm

Timmy Hardaway was great, and so was Mully on the 90's Warriors teams. I used to go to those games all the time when I lived in the Bay Area.

What makes me suspicious is the freakish athleticism these days. Humans don't evolve over the course of decades, and good diets have always been around. I was surprised in school when I found out that the cheating rate on exams was close to 50%, when I naively thought it was 5%. I bet that if the Rashards of the league are juicing, then the real rate is like 50 - 60%. That's the difference in speed and athleticism IMO. Just like football.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:35 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Timmy Hardaway was great, and so was Mully on the 90's Warriors teams. I used to go to those games all the time when I lived in the Bay Area.

What makes me suspicious is the freakish athleticism these days. Humans don't evolve over the course of decades, and good diets have always been around. I was surprised in school when I found out that the cheating rate on exams was close to 50%, when I naively thought it was 5%. I bet that if the Rashards of the league are juicing, then the real rate is like 50 - 60%. That's the difference in speed and athleticism IMO. Just like football.


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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Johnnyboy on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:16 pm

TIME wrote:1980s>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

2000s>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Everything else.


Side note for all you 90s guys: how many trophys did the Lakers win in the 90s? Tell me again how the 90s could possibly be the best?


The question was "Best basketball decade" Not best laker decade. The game as a whole. Watching MJ/Kobe/Shaq/robinson/duncan/barkely/malone/hakeem ect ect. was awesome. 80's are a close second for me.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Johnnyboy on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:19 pm

trodgers wrote:
Johnnyboy wrote:90's TV shows/movies/basketball/music >>>>>>>>the rest

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For reals?

If we're just tossing out personal preferences, 1970s cinema was better (and probably cinema from the 1940s to 60s, too), 1980s TV and music was better, current TV is far better, but I do like 1990s basketball.

For better or worse, so many people alive now see the 90s as a shaping influence in their lives (like I see the 80s). Let's wait another decade and see how much that stuff starts to fade.

I'll throw this out there: The Cosby Show (84-92) is better than any TV that existed solely in the 1990s.


The 80's are a close 2nd for me. I do have to change my stance and agree, cinema had better decades. It's tough, because the greatness of 80's basketball spilled over into the early 90s mixed with all kinds of new and exciting talent. In all honesty I think 87-2003 was amazing. Maybe because of my age, but the nba exploded and reached new levels during that time.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Juronimo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:43 pm

For me, '80's and 2000's since we won championships those years. The '90's were the dark ages of basketball. There are only a few memorable moments, Hakeem's destruction of all competition in '95, playing the best basketball in history, and the Shaq/Kobe trade which led to more championships. Other than that, forgettable.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby purp n gold on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:16 pm

Finwë wrote:I don't disagree but I said not taking available talent into account. Bird, Kareem, Magic, Isiah, young Jordan, Dr. J, they were great and fun to watch, but I meant what decade was the most fun to watch just by how the game was played, not by what players where competing


I see your angle, but I don't feel like those two aspects of the game are independent of each other. Available talent is directly related to the style of play of an era.

Basketball has the probably the least amount of team members for any team sport, so singular players in this game have more influence than they would in any other sport.

For instance, the NBA changed the hand-check rule sometime in the 2000's because defenses had become so rigid and uncompromising in the 90's, and players not-named-Jordan had a hard time scoring.

Shaq had become so dominant in the post in the 90s & early 2000s, the NBA re-allowed zone defenses (in 2003 I think?) - and in turn, teams were allowed to double and triple-team post players with little to no restrictions. There's also the Barkley rule, which keeps a post player for posting up more than 5 (or 8?) seconds.

Those rule changes definitely shape the way the game is played today. It's the reason why there are little to no post players anymore - they aren't nearly as effective as they once were in the 80s and 90s.

So I do think talent level (even single players, down to their specific skill sets) have an impact on the style of play for an era.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:36 am

^ fair points.

We'll try it your way then, I'll rephrase the question:

Taking every factor into account, best NBA basketball decade?

I'd have to go with the 80s as a decade but I do love 93-03 too
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby JSM on Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:36 am

From strictly a NBA standpoint, I'd vote 90s. You had the greatest to ever lace them up and I loved the physical play of the 90s before Stern made the game wussie ball. The 90s also boasted the best era of big man this game has ever seen and now they're extinct like the dinosaurs.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby John3:16 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:00 pm

80s. To suggest otherwise means you didn't watch the 80s.

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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:20 pm

I like the 2000s and on honestly. The game has become a lot more sophisticated and the average player today is a lot better.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:40 pm

JSM wrote:The 90s also boasted the best era of big man this game has ever seen and now they're extinct like the dinosaurs.


Hmmm.... you might have to expand on what you mean here....

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Hakeem, Sampson, Gilmore, Lanier, Issel, Ewing, Unseld, Parrish, Sikma, Lambeer, Joe Barry Carroll, and maybe Bill Cartwright in the 80's

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Gilmore, Issel, Lanier, Unseld, Bellamy, Cowans, Reed, Thurmond, Sikma, and Chamberlain in the 70's

Robinson, Hakeem, Mutombo, Shaq, Mourning, Ewing and maybe Divac in the 90's

There are a lot of HOF'ers that played in the 70's and 80's......
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:16 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I like the 2000s and on honestly. The game has become a lot more sophisticated and the average player today is a lot better.

I agree about the overall talent, but there's also a clear over-reliance on athleticism and lack of fundamentals in many players..
A lot of teams shoot too many 3s and don't develop interior / post play.
The bball IQ of the players isn't that amazing either.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:18 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
JSM wrote:The 90s also boasted the best era of big man this game has ever seen and now they're extinct like the dinosaurs.


Hmmm.... you might have to expand on what you mean here....

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Hakeem, Sampson, Gilmore, Lanier, Issel, Ewing, Unseld, Parrish, Sikma, Lambeer, Joe Barry Carroll, and maybe Bill Cartwright in the 80's

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Gilmore, Issel, Lanier, Unseld, Bellamy, Cowans, Reed, Thurmond, Sikma, and Chamberlain in the 70's

Robinson, Hakeem, Mutombo, Shaq, Mourning, Ewing and maybe Divac in the 90's

There are a lot of HOF'ers that played in the 70's and 80's......

You forgot Malone, Barkley and Rodman in the 90s. Garnett and Duncan were rising too.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:22 pm

Finwë wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
JSM wrote:The 90s also boasted the best era of big man this game has ever seen and now they're extinct like the dinosaurs.


Hmmm.... you might have to expand on what you mean here....

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Hakeem, Sampson, Gilmore, Lanier, Issel, Ewing, Unseld, Parrish, Sikma, Lambeer, Joe Barry Carroll, and maybe Bill Cartwright in the 80's

Kareem, Hayes, Moses, Walton, Gilmore, Issel, Lanier, Unseld, Bellamy, Cowans, Reed, Thurmond, Sikma, and Chamberlain in the 70's

Robinson, Hakeem, Mutombo, Shaq, Mourning, Ewing and maybe Divac in the 90's

There are a lot of HOF'ers that played in the 70's and 80's......

You forgot Malone, Barkley and Rodman in the 90s. Garnett and Duncan were rising too.


I was staying with centers.... if we're including the PF position it will get even more lopsided. I took his comment to mean back to the basket bigs..... because he said they are not around anymore. Stretch or face-up PF are the flavor of the day and the reason we don't see anyone play with their back to the basket any longer.
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Re: Best basketball decade?

Postby Finwë on Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:24 pm

^ oh, gotcha. I do think that Malone and possibly Duncan are back to the basket bigs, aren't they?
Malone played a lot of P&R but he was also very frequently posting up.. Duncan was (still is) profficient in both ways, back to the basket and facing up.
Barkley is kinda special, don't think he belongs in the category
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